To answer your FH questions...

[dirt racer]

The idea that closing HRP would force DHHL to give up Parcel 9 is laughable.



Especially when DHHL had puppets like you and the Souzas to split the community to divert attention away from them.

Tell me again exactly how racing could have continued at HRP with an expired variance when YOU YOURSELF posted official documents to the contrary. The land HAD to be rezoned for racing to continue. You've got documents stating that and you know it.

There's nothing Oakland, myself, the Souzas or anyone else could have done to make that P9 deal happen or not happen.

As far as HRP goes, another variance could have been applied for. The Councilman told us this "exactly".

[dirt racer]

I don't know anyone who likes you, or believes anything you say. We talk about it, and we think that regardless of who is in "power", you should STFU and stop the namecalling and bullshit. It doesn't help anything.

Hahaha, so you all sit around talking about me like a bunch of little old ladies gossiping. :(

I would have a lot more respect for people that told me they didn't like me to my face. Seems like that never happens for some reason. lol

[dirt racer]

Bye, Less. Was nice knowng you. OK, no it wasn't. You won't be missed

You ain't rid of me yet dummy. Poor little Fred had to go crying to the mods (he gets sooooo scared you know lol).

[dirt racer]

Sounds like your group's typical chicken sh!t tactics. Same one you guys tried to pull on me about 2 years ago. Nice anonymous letter to the president of the company I worked for showing I posted from work. I got a "what's this guy's problem?" from my boss so I explained there were some no-class idiots trying to block us from getting a new track and they were trying to make trouble for me. I think that letter ended up in the "circular" file. Another failed attempt like all your other hairball schemes

Hey Mud, you know what? I post from work all the time too. I even use profanity. Why don't you come down and file a complaint? It's not like I hide behind a locked security door.

That's funny I heard you got fired. :eek:

They said if you had that much spare time to post on the internet all day long, they didn't really need you. :(

[punishum]

Ohhhhh, you mean like the same tactics of:

1 ) filing bogus BBB complaints, or

2 ) sending anoynomous far fetched ones to the stadium and Aiea NHB, you mean like the ones to

3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 ) block every bill before the city and state to get back HRP

While the MAJORITY of racers fondly look back on and WISHES we still had HRP today, you mean like:

15 ) the Chicken Shit tactics of the campaign to get Aunty Evelyn kicked off of the HCDA board when she was up for reconfirmation.

16 ) You mean lying to everyone all the time from everything to permits to intentions.

You mean that kind of Chicken Shit tactics.

Don't worry, come June 30th yet another Build the Charade will be all over . . . AGAIN :D :eek: ;)

[dirt racer]

Whenever you get backed into a corner you claim to not have a time or care.



haaah, sounds like his buddy Dirt Racer.


Wow Lois, or whatever your name is. It's great that you can talk shit about someone you've never met (even though you claimed to). And no, I'm not scared to meet you face to face and tell you how FUCKING STUPID YOU ARE! lol

[dirt racer]

so we can assume princess aiea is going to send the same kinda sh*t to all the media again?

Here's a clue - we don't care.

#00

Yep. Just like you don't care about the truth either...


I think something needs to be cleared up

Jr said at the meeting the permits were in - I think someone took that to mean he had the permits. In permit speak that means they have been submitted for approval to the building department.

The truth is, no permit applications have been submitted as of today. You're good at lying for other people though Fred. :rolleyes:

[punishum]

Yep. Just like you don't care about the truth either...



The truth is, no permit applications have been submitted as of today. You're good at lying for other people though Fred. :rolleyes:

I am so tired af that Queer from Nalo, Always talking shit but never did anything other than run into trees.

"Help Us Landru" right into the fricken tree Phhhhhhhhhttttttt :p :p

[dirt racer]

"Help Us Landru"

I doubt if "Landru" could hep Fred. He has a higher calling...

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g14/dirt_racer/satansmessageboy.jpg

[dirt racer]

so, after doing some reading on these websites and regardless of what obstacles face each side as a result of the internal division... and provided there is a lease after June 30...

about 6 more months for a dirt track?

then maybe a road course (or a giant parking lot) hopefully before the end of the year or the beginning of next year?

sound about right?

According to Jr, the track will be done in August 2008. :confused:

In reality, the permits will take at least 1 year to acquire, and they still haven't been applied for yet.

Also, there is no guarantee that permits WILL be issued for this project. Or that the lease will be extended beyond June 30.

So don't hold your breath. :rolleyes:

[dirt racer]

hmmm... lets see, Dave. i shall try to answer my questions for me. as some may think, it doesn't take a year to get permits for a project like this. maybe 1 month, 3 months for the EIS, and take 2-3 months for the presentations. so, you might be on the "right track" when you say 6 months.

let us not forget, nothing is guaranteed. i hope that answered your questions

have a nice day

1 month to get permits? :confused:

More like 1 month to move all that material off the property before the daily fines start accruing... :rolleyes:

[dirt racer]

^ LAWL @ the 13 year old's snazzy comeback... ooh that must have hurt, huh Rob?

why do you guys even entertain this troll Mud Packer? claims to be in the scene longer than any of us yet won't say who he is. hell he could be a 13 year old kid and we wouldn't know.

at least the rest of us know each other and know our credibilities amongst each other.

You mean you know you're all a pack of liars. :rolleyes:

[Mud Packer]

^ LAWL @ the 13 year old's snazzy comeback... ooh that must have hurt, huh Rob?

why do you guys even entertain this troll Mud Packer? claims to be in the scene longer than any of us yet won't say who he is. hell he could be a 13 year old kid and we wouldn't know.

at least the rest of us know each other and know our credibilities amongst each other.


Why was your ex's bug named Iris? Shouldn't he have named it Lois or Michelle?

[dirt racer]

Hey All. Man its been a while since I lurked on this site but now I'm just wondering if there is anybody out there who wants to race. Mostly people who still have their rails, funny cars, pro stock, and modifieds.

A group that I'm working with is going to throw out a big event soon, but we want to know if anybody on Oahu still has cars to race with. There will be a open race day where anybody can race so don't think your out on a limb with this. Everyone can come to this event.

So let me know! Fill out this post if your down.

CharlieBoy808.com

If this turns out to be BS, prepare to be banned.

BS as in "Humble George" announcing a Christmas race with a $10,000 purse that never happened? Or BS as in OMAC's P24 track layout on top of Hawaiian archaeological sites? Or BS as in "Humble George" telling everyone he has permits when he doesn't? Or BS as in "Humble George" announcing a track completed in August when the lease expires in June? That kind of BS?

[PiTytheFooL]

BS as in "Humble George" announcing a Christmas race with a $10,000 purse that never happened? Or BS as in OMAC's P24 track layout on top of Hawaiian archaeological sites? Or BS as in "Humble George" telling everyone he has permits when he doesn't? Or BS as in "Humble George" announcing a track completed in August when the lease expires in June? That kind of BS?

or the kine that dirt racer shits out everyday.

[dirt racer]

I was lurking on Les's website and see that some poster there was saying that Les was the one that turned me in to the City & County. I spoke with one of the inspectors and they said that it was the Souza's that called in the violation, but it's Les that's calling DPP daily. I wasn't surprised with what I found out.

Guess what, more bullshit from the maestro. No it wasn't the Souzas or Les that called in the violation. They all heard about it from someone else.

Besides, I thought you said you had the permits and there wasn't going to be any fine? Guess you were lying...

[PiTytheFooL]

Guess what, more bullshit from the maestro. No it wasn't the Souzas or Les that called in the violation. They all heard about it from someone else.

Besides, I thought you said you had the permits and there wasn't going to be any fine? Guess you were lying...

u one real dum shit. i neva said i get any permits. i said my boss get permits for our jobs all the time. u need to get ur head outta ur ass. and brah i no lie. my frenz know i tell it like it is strait up.

[dirt racer]

u one real dum shit. i neva said i get any permits. i said my boss get permits for our jobs all the time. u need to get ur head outta ur ass. and brah i no lie. my frenz know i tell it like it is strait up.

Hey, I was talking to "Humble George". But I guess you really are "Humble George". (you just forgot ;) )

[PiTytheFooL]

Hey, I was talking to "Humble George". But I guess you really are "Humble George". (you just forgot ;) )

eh i talkin to u and u answering me. and hm said he not posting her any moa. so like i said u need to get ur head outta ur ass. cuz u talkin shit.

[dirt racer]

hm said he not posting her any moa.

lol, you sound like the fricken Go Go Gophers. :p

http://youtube.com/watch?v=sH7TXnFJNeE

[PiTytheFooL]

lol, you sound like the fricken Go Go Gophers. :p

http://youtube.com/watch?v=sH7TXnFJNeE

u funny man. thats what u do behind the locked door.

[dirt racer]

Sure beats working! :D

[dirt racer]

The topic of who called in the complaints was out on the forums weeks ago. You know that it was you and your husband that called in the initial complaints. And don't lie, remember that you're supposed to be religious. You, Franklin and the mud squad, Leo, Les and Tracy, have been constantly trying to sabotage the project. Come on, Evelyn, from going and complaining about the dirt being contaminated and dusty to trying to steal the lease on the property, signing a bogus lease with Grucci, collecting their money and doing Lord knows what with the money and trying to steal my insurance. Trying to bad mouth the project to the Hawaiian Civic Club, HCDA, DHHL and who knows who else.

The continued efforts of the crybaby syndrome is really making you and your husband look worse than you think. But, you are right about one thing...What goes around comes around. And I stopped your go around in trying to screw the racers. With the full support of the racers, I will try my best to proceed and succeed with this project.

So, go ahead and do whatever you want to do. Just because I caught you guys with your hands in the cookie jar one too many times, and now you're mad at me. You don't have to take it out on the rest of the racing community. You and your husband should be ashamed. You sit on boards that represent the community and look at what you're doing to your character. And I'm not the only one seeing this. The racers and members that sit on the same boards as you can't believe what they see happening. But your continued efforts to destroy my good name only confirms the negative actions by you is reality. And Les's continued efforts in calling DPP is just to deliver negative testimony daily.

As far as the violation, you and your husband know that I had permission to move the dirt onto the property. You and your husband know that the city was given 20 days to respond to whether we needed permits or not. And that letter was unanswered. The city didn't respond.

I think it's obvious that you didn't share your information with the mud squad, cause they seem very uneducated about it. The city asked me if they could come out to follow up on a complaint that somebody said that the dirt pile was 20' high and on half of the property. They knew it wasn't contaminated, cause the soil samples went in. After Gordon Pang's article in the paper, you know the one with the bogus story, the same article with you holding the lock and locked outside of the gate, city engineers came out and measured the pile. Issuing a notice of violation is just a procedure. But trust me, I've got my back on this.

Hey Retard,

Yeah, we heard the story of Silva going down to DPP. More proof that you have no idea WTF you're doing. I really like the way you deflect the blame for YOUR ILLEGAL DUMPING! onto the person that turned you in. And for the record it was not Les, Tracy, Leo, or the Souzas, or anyone else in SORT.

With regards to your claim of Les "calling DPP everyday", that is total bullshit. Anyone can check to see if there are permits on any property simply by going to the DPP website. And as of today, there are no permits. Applied for or otherwise. So quit lying to everyone about having permits because you don't.

And since you can't read, let me explain what the violation states:

You are hereby ordered to obtain permit(s) and/or correct violation by June 13, 2008.So whether you apply for permits or not, you're still going to have to move all that shit off the property, or start paying the $1,000 daily fine.

So get busy!:D

[dirt racer]

Dennis,

I don't see any problems from where I stand. Regardless of this trivial crap on the net, there is a dedicated group of people that want to build a track. We're working on it...Jr is doing everything he can to keep his promise from what I have seen and is enabling all of us to help him do it. As long as we do our best...I think we can accomplish this task before us. If you haven't written a letter, then do so...the more testimony we have, then the more we have to fight the ill will with.

People have a road to choose...they can either join the efforts to do this or not. It's their choice, but I'm sure people will recognize where they stood once this is all over.

That goes for everyone. Thanks...check out www.kalaeloaracewaypark.com (http://www.kalaeloaracewaypark.com) for more info on what's going on.

So you think if you get enough "letters", you're gonna avoid the dumping violation, won't have to get permits or do an Environmental Assessment, and will be able to build a racetrack on top of ancient Hawaiian burial sites?

Grow a brain man! :mad:

[dirt racer]

Good morning Dennis....despite what is being posted on the forums about the notice of violation and the whole permit process, it's not something that I'm worried about. Whether the opposition likes it or not, we have many people working on this project to move it forward and it looks very positive. In fact, I am very impressed with the efforts and progress that has been made.

So, let me reassure you all that we are not going to throw in the towel. There is much being done behind the scene and we are very optimistic with the progress.


You have many people working on the project? Exactly WTF have they been doing? You're 10 months into an 11 month lease and the permits (long lead item) have not even been applied for yet! Have you done the neighborhood board presentation? Have you done the HCDA presentation? You haven't even been able to get on their agendas! Keep posting the BS though because it's funny. :D

[hadenough]

HELL YEAH!! Well said Mike!! I choose the positive people path that are doing great stuff "BUILDING TOMORROW'S TRACK FOR TODAY'S RACERS!",,,SORT LLC and OMAC!

The negative people can kiss my ass!

Hey Mike I just looked at the site again. I like the new pics you added.

For the weather thingie in the corner how come you left out the "VOG" forecast???

positive peoples path----- no permites--- BS the racing comm.---- stock pilling violation---- yea-yea-yea-yea. BS people can kiss my azz as well as sort llc and omac. build the track and again stop the blame and BS game. not all ct racers back george only the dirty dozen.

[dirt racer]

will there be a 1/8 mile dragstrip?

Like I've posted many times before, since the discovery of the archaeological sites, the area left for a track is too small for a drag strip. Even for a 1/8 mile.

And also, there's no such thing as a 1/4 mile road course. That's a go-kart track.

Funny how OMAC has still been promoting the old design isn't it ??? :confused:

[dirt racer]

i was also thinking that it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know which would be better to help temporarily accomodate a displaced racing community of multiple venues on Oahu. cheee

Exactly. Which is why OMAC and Humble George have been promoting the more elaborate layout. Knowing full well they can't build on the preservation areas. Very dishonest bunch.

[hadenough]

Exactly. Which is why OMAC and Humble George have been promoting the more elaborate layout. Knowing full well they can't build on the preservation areas. Very dishonest bunch.

SO are you saying the frist layout was a scam. this layout looks like the org. sort plans.

[dirt racer]

SO are you saying the first layout was a scam. this layout looks like the org. sort plans.

A big scam to get political support for "Humble George". You read what they asked for in the meetings. Send letters to support George Grace. They needed a fancy layout to sell it.

Unfortunately for George, scams can backfire (like the illegal dumping). :(

[dirt racer]

Don't listen to the negatives, things are moving along in the right direction.


"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain! I am the great and Humble George!"

[dirt racer]

i've seen better entertainment at the zoo when the monkeys fly their shit at each other. they probably got more brains too

Wow you're so chicken shit you can't even bash people on their own forum. You have to do it on another forum! :eek:

Sissy.

[SM2-MSM]

Wow you're so chicken shit you can't even bash people on their own forum. You have to do it on another forum! :eek:

Sissy.

Hahaha, says the guy who has to quote things from another website to respond to!

[dirt racer]

Hahaha, says the guy who has to quote things from another website to respond to!

Unfortunately, FH doesn't want posters who tell the truth. They want bullshit.

[dirt racer]

I have a suggestion: Let the developers do their thing withouth continually 2nd guessing them. If your wallet isn't open (be it money or providing a service) then just be happy that someone's is.

Since "their thing" is to bullshit everyone, I think people should be inquiring as to what's going on. :rolleyes:

[ijustrip]

Since "their thing" is to bullshit everyone, I think people should be inquiring as to what's going on. :rolleyes:dirt racer its not bullshit get it straight its a memory lapse. '' MEMORY'' - [ the power, act or, process of recalling to mind facts previously learned or past experience].
''LAPSE''- a slip of the tongue

[dirt racer]

dirt racer its not bullshit get it straight its a memory lapse. '' MEMORY'' - [ the power, act or, process of recalling to mind facts previously learned or past experience].
''LAPSE''- a slip of the tongue

I'm sure they could "remember" whether they had permits or not when they were telling everyone the did. (they don't)

The Christmas race with the $10,000 purse - a thinking person would "build the track" first, then announce the events.

This alleged "new track" completion date has been "announced" several times - December 07, March 08, June 08, August 08.

I have had to pay NO fines and as long as I am in compliance, will not have to pay any fines.

Another "memory lapse?" Even if he can't read, he could have someone explain the violation to him.


was lurking on Les's website and see that some poster there was saying that Les was the one that turned me in to the City & County. I spoke with one of the inspectors and they said that it was the Souza's that called in the violation, but it's Les that's calling DPP daily. I wasn't surprised with what I found out.

This is a bald faced lie, not a "memory lapse". The Souzas had nothing to do with the complaint and you know it. And no one from SORT was calling DPP daily. The time I talked to them was because THEY CALLED ME!!!

[ijustrip]

I'm sure they could "remember" whether they had permits or not when they were telling everyone the did. (they don't)

The Christmas race with the $10,000 purse - a thinking person would "build the track" first, then announce the events.

This alleged "new track" completion date has been "announced" several times - December 07, March 08, June 08, August 08.



Another "memory lapse?" Even if he can't read, he could have someone explain the violation to him.



This is a bald faced lie, not a "memory lapse". The Souzas had nothing to do with the complaint and you know it. And no one from SORT was calling DPP daily. The time I talked to them was because THEY CALLED ME!!! That makes the conversation sound understandable, as for the inspector of D P P there is [ no way thats rite no way ] its going to be known who turned in the stock piling I called and asked about it. Why did I call may the question be? Names were mentioned ? I had a meeting with a state agency the other day about the meetings with [sort omac dags dhhl]. I'm waiting for the...[ "rite timing, thas rite, rite timing"]...to expose all the dirty, back stabbing, double crossing shenanigans...

[ijustrip]

Another "memory lapse?" Even if he can't read, he could have someone explain the violation to him.[QUOTE] DIRT RACER EYE THINK THERE IS HIS PROBLEM IT COULD BE THE PERSON EXPLAINING IT TO HIM CANT READ OR FOR THAT MATTER CANT TRANSLATELATE THE ENGLISH JARGON [ 1 ]INCOHERENT SPEECH ,GIBBERISH [5] SPEECH FULL OF LONG, UNFIMILAR OR ROUNDABOUT WORDS OR PHRASES] INTO UNDERSTANDABLE ENGLISH..

[dirt racer]

COULD BE THE PERSON EXPLAINING IT TO HIM CANT READ OR FOR THAT MATTER CANT TRANSLATELATE THE ENGLISH JARGON

Could be. :rolleyes:

[dirt racer]

But if the Souzas have already talked with Campbell to get land and if they have the support, money and backing they say they have, then why don't they just go do it?Since when have the Souzas been making any of these public proclamations? You put words in their mouth, then call them bullshitters!

Just so you know, YOU have been the one bullshitting everyone about building a new track that's gonna be ready in 3 more months, then 3 more months, then 3 more months, etc. When you haven't even APPLIED for the necessary permits yet! :eek:

[hadenough]

Since when have the Souzas been making any of these public proclamations? You put words in their mouth, then call them bullshitters!

Just so you know, YOU have been the one bullshitting everyone about building a new track that's gonna be ready in 3 more months, then 3 more months, then 3 more months, etc. When you haven't even APPLIED for the necessary permits yet! :eek:

george why do you always blame other people. you were the person that made the money by dumping the dirt on the land without a permit. now the time is near you pull the BLAME GAME again. and i never heard the souzas say anything about getting land but if they can more power to the non profit. i know the souzas and they have alot of backing by the CT racers and my biker freinds. be a man and take burn. you made all the pilikia.

[dirt racer]

so are there other websites where you see developers and advocates/supporters of racetracks in different parts of the nation call each other names and talk about the process and politics and stuff and people who are "in or out" or just plain against racing (the sport) in general and all the obstacles that face building a racetrack?

how about magazines? are there any?

There's news reports. Here's one vvvvvv

http://www.mercedsunstar.com/167/story/159456.html

Some of the posters had some interesting comments.

[dirt racer]

By the way...the article could have been titled "Racetrack group charges forward despite troubles" and it could have been spun very positively. Instead, a negative angle was chosen. It's all how you write it, isn't it?

You're good at "spinning" things, I'll give you that. :rolleyes:

[dirt racer]

everytime you post something about parcel 24 you ring dirts bells.. he responds to you on another forum. that's a neat trick, how do you do it man?

Try smoking pot all day long for 30 years or so till there's nothing left of your brain. Works for him! :rolleyes:

[dirt racer]

Hey Dirt,,,,,, Your Site Needs Some Overhauling.... Get a New Moderator and Site owner.... It still says Racing in Hawaii...How can ya put a false front up like that,,,

Put this Up,,, "Fighting Racing in Hawaii" (trying to stop a track near ya) &&&& your forum should be titled "Much Needed Comedy" Starring The "Countless Wonders" 1st thread should be,,,,, What is Counting. & Thread starter is named "Countless"..?????



This will get his _ _ _ T I E S in a WAD


Nah, we can't change anything. If we did that you all wouldn't be over here reading all the time. ;)

[dirt racer]

You have seen that Up to this Point That Jr. is not Lying like the Spokesman for " Thee Other Side" Has said repeatedly... like beating on a dead donkey... arhhhhh arhhhhh arhhhhh arhhhhhhhhhhh

I think if you ask the people that have been going to Jr's bogus meetings, they'll tell you Jr said he had the permits already. According to the newspaper article (including quotes from the DPP director) he doesn't have any permits.

I'm pretty sure that qualifies as lying. :rolleyes:

[PiTytheFooL]

I think if you ask the people that have been going to Jr's bogus meetings, they'll tell you Jr said he had the permits already. According to the newspaper article (including quotes from the DPP director) he doesn't have any permits.

I'm pretty sure that qualifies as lying. :rolleyes:

what meeting u been to. i neva heard him say he had the permits.

[dirt racer]

what meeting u been to. i neva heard him say he had the permits.

The bogus meetings? Never been to one, and why waste my time? But I know people that went, and they told me Jr said he had the permits. Which is the same thing he told me at a City Council hearing. Which is the same thing you told Tom (which is why he turned you in). So either we're all lying or Jr is lying.

Too bad for Jr it got in the paper...

P.S. - You should listen to your Momma - "honesty is the best policy"

[PiTytheFooL]

The bogus meetings? Never been to one, and why waste my time? But I know people that went, and they told me Jr said he had the permits. Which is the same thing he told me at a City Council hearing. Which is the same thing you told Tom (which is why he turned you in). So either we're all lying or Jr is lying.

Too bad for Jr it got in the paper...

P.S. - You should listen to your Momma - "honesty is the best policy"

dont know what bogus meetings ur talkin bout. seems like ur meeting was bogus. nothin but crap goin round from ur group. dont know what jr told u at city council either and who is tom. dirt u all fkd up in the head. i think u just pissed cuz u dont know shit. i dont think jr is one liar so i guess its all about u.

[dirt racer]

i think u just pissed cuz u dont know shit.

Well, probably don't know it as well as you being in the business and all. :eek:
But that's OK. ;)

[punishum]

As Mr. Ing is quoted in Gordon's story "NO Plan has been submitted". So doesn't that mean there are NO PERMITS ? ? ?

SDD Grading Permit Procedures section B. Other Requirements section 1 states, Quote, "If 1 acre of land is do be disturbed an APPROVED NOI ( Since you filed the permits you should know what that stands for. ) is REQUIRED."

Section B under section 2, QUOTE, " A copy of an EIS or EA REQUIRED by FEDERAL, STATE OR CITY."

And "DO NOT" forget in the Permit Application Checklist for Grading, Grubing or Stockpiling ( In this case ALL "3" ) Section "5" Box 3, Line 3 YOU NEED TO CHECK this BOX Construction Investigator ( Where "NOTICE OF VIOLATIONS" have been ISSUED :eek: :rolleyes: :D

Stockpiling Permits, Grading Permits, Grubbing Permits : $10,000 EACH

Daily Fees for Violation : $1000

Cost for an EIS : $250,000 +

Getting Caught telling Lies to EVERYONE In "SAFETY MEETINGS" and the Honolulu Advertiser UNCOVERS the TRUTH : PRICELESS

[dirt racer]

I dont miss it, never will and could care less about that "Other Side" ,,,,, They can take that sour grape tude and plant it,,,, That may be all its worth,,,, It certainly wont get a track built,,,now will it ????

Bullshitting won't get a track built either. The only thing that's been accomplished so far on P24 is the archaeological study (which the Souzas arranged and paid for).

6 months to get a presentation before HCDA is pretty sad. I wouldn't bet on them granting an exemption for the EIS either. :rolleyes:

[dirt racer]

haha... well, aside from all the sh*t, i just hope that there is more than 2-years on P24.

Micah promised 2 years there, but by the time the dirt track is built, how much of the second year will be left?

ahhhhhhhhh... i'm just wondering. it ain't my money and i'm not asking the people in charge. so, yeah.

I'm pretty sure that getting the EIS done and obtaining the building permits is gonna take more than 2 years. Even for big developers like Haseko it takes that long. For someone that doesn't know what he's doing :confused: , it's gonna take a lot longer...

[dirt racer]

Jr Grace or OMAC should be able to give you a realistic time frame.

Hahaha, now THAT'S funny! :D

[Need4Speed]

What is your time frame on building at Parcel 24?

Or did you give up on that already?

[dirt racer]

What is your time frame on building at Parcel 24?

Or did you give up on that already?

Yep, I gave up. Too many sinkholes...

A realistic time frame for any project like this is 2 years MINIMUM.

6 months to do the EIS
1 year for the permits
6 months for construction

The question is - when will the EIS get started, and when will the permit applications go in? Not today. :rolleyes:

[TooDeep]

Yep, I gave up. Too many sinkholes...

A realistic time frame for any project like this is 2 years MINIMUM.

6 months to do the EIS
1 year for the permits
6 months for construction

The question is - when will the EIS get started, and when will the permit applications go in? Not today. :rolleyes:

I like poke on top the rubish dirt can? I like get dirtys.

[dirt racer]

I like poke on top the rubish dirt can? I like get dirtys.

No can. Gotta wait for the permits first. :eek:

[dirt racer]

yeah, i get it... i was just trying to get an answer to the posters question on a time frame.

he didn't get an answer... so what else is new

You see, they've already been telling everyone at their bogus meetings that the track would be done in August. So now if they tell the truth - that it would be at least 2 years to meet the permitting requirements. And that they STILL haven't sent in a proper permit application yet. Well that kinda blows their credibility doesn't it? Looks like they've bullshitted themselves into a corner. :rolleyes:

[dirt racer]

keep it Shhhhsshhhhhhhhhh ,,,,......Until we get word of "Whats Next " Get It Crap ??

Yep, that's the best way to grow mushrooms. Keep em in the dark and feed em shit. :eek:

[dirt racer]

You know, it's real hard not posting up what's happening. In a perfect world, I would be able to post every step on what's happening and not have a problem with some smart ass out there wanting to twist it into something else. And they know who they are.

Let's just say that there is progress going on. We are moving forward. And it's looking better everyday.

If anyone wants to get more information, feel free to email me @ georgemultitask@yahoo.com. I won't answer to any bogus emails, so please make it legitimate and leave your contact information as well. There's nothing to hide, just tired of the bs as well.

Or it could be that there's been no progress to report on. :rolleyes:

[dirt racer]

If I am not mistaken "Now Permitts are needed Informed one",,,, If you read you would know DHHL was exempt from the Permitts,,,, Please Read and Inform Thyself... Nowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww DHHL has Instructed Jr. to get them.....Da Permitts... Read Braddah Or Sister,,,, Who ever you are,,,,


Yes you are mistaken (again). "According to Jr", DHHL was exempt from permits. Funny how he couldn't say EXACTLY WHO it was at DPP that told him this...

Or perhaps it was just another one of his BS made up stories. :rolleyes:


"You can fool some of the people all of the time"

[dirt racer]

For clarification on land use process, Fed trumps state, state trumps counties. That means DHHL is exempt from county land use codes but not federal process if they are the developer.

Their leasee's are not, unless DHHL does it for them (which would make it a quasi DHHL project and subject to a bunch of reviews). All the devils are in the details and have not yet been discovered, even by the city who has to review and comment. They won't comment until they have seen the plans, then they will have the submittee answer their questions and address any objections. Developers already know the process. The bigger and more visable the project, the more review it will get.


It's not really that simple. The AG has recently ruled that Hunt will have to comply with the HCDA master plan and requests for an EIS. That's still Federal land BTW. HCDA has oversight over all of Kalaeloa - including P24. Whether or not an EIS is required for P24 (or even if a track will be allowed there) will be an HCDA decision.

[punishum]

Posted by HUMBLE GEORGE For those of you that read that last story by Gordon Pang, I just wanted to clear the air about a statement he made that Henry Eng said that the company came in with a stockpiling plan that was not accepted because it was not prepared and stamped by a registered professional engineer. This is a false statement. He must have been confused with the drawing that the Souza's had done. When our stockpiling permit application is submitted, it will definitely be stamped by our engineer who is registered and professional.


See, another lie AGAIN :eek: :eek: The Souza's never submitted ANY plans. And since you, Mr. Grace is the contact person for P24 you CAN get ALL AND ANY Documents and show us proof. You also forget how you upset everyone from Maeda and insulted the
ENTIRE City Council "AND" you Mr. Grace called Mr. Ing a LIAR and he DOESN'T know what he's talking about. Remember?

I also have it on tape on how you said that the dirt was to build YOUR track. SO shouldn't you have had the plans TOO :confused: :confused:
AND I also have you saying how you wanted to bring in an ADDITIONAL 6300 more loads. Isn't that 3 times MORE than what is already there. SO if you already have 37,488 cubic yards another 6300 truckloads:eek: :eek: add the 2, carry the 9 plus . . . that should be bringing the total to ALMOST 100,000 cubic yards of D-I-R-T ? ? ? Correct ?

That will be a WORLD RECORD for that much DIRT and no racetrack. But a lot of green in someones pocket though. :eek: :eek:

Keep taking BAD advice from the peanut gallery.

Just a reminder, Better get a really nice wedding gift, that is if you even got an invite :D :D

Just watching out for your interest. Stay strong.

[dirt racer]

For those of you that read that last story by Gordon Pang, I just wanted to clear the air about a statement he made that Henry Eng said that the company came in with a stockpiling plan that was not accepted because it was not prepared and stamped by a registered professional engineer. This is a false statement. He must have been confused with the drawing that the Souza's had done. When our stockpiling permit application is submitted, it will definitely be stamped by our engineer who is registered and professional.

The Souza's never submitted a drawing to DPP. Perhaps you're the one that's confused? :rolleyes:

[dirt racer]

I just seen on the news yesterday that its for sale again

Forget about HRP, you already have a dirt pi...err I mean race track! :D

Better hurry up and get those permit applications submitted, the deadline is next week! :eek:

P.S. Don't you hate deadlines? :(

[Paradise Racer]

See, another lie AGAIN :eek: :eek: The Souza's never submitted ANY plans. And since you, Mr. Grace is the contact person for P24 you CAN get ALL AND ANY Documents and show us proof. You also forget how you upset everyone from Maeda and insulted the
ENTIRE City Council "AND" you Mr. Grace called Mr. Ing a LIAR and he DOESN'T know what he's talking about. Remember?

I also have it on tape on how you said that the dirt was to build YOUR track. SO shouldn't you have had the plans TOO :confused: :confused:
AND I also have you saying how you wanted to bring in an ADDITIONAL 6300 more loads. Isn't that 3 times MORE than what is already there. SO if you already have 37,488 cubic yards another 6300 truckloads:eek: :eek: add the 2, carry the 9 plus . . . that should be bringing the total to ALMOST 100,000 cubic yards of D-I-R-T ? ? ? Correct ?

That will be a WORLD RECORD for that much DIRT and no racetrack. But a lot of green in someones pocket though. :eek: :eek:

Keep taking BAD advice from the peanut gallery.

Just a reminder, Better get a really nice wedding gift, that is if you even got an invite :D :D

Just watching out for your interest. Stay strong.

Tracy, not that your post needs any justification, just wanted to post for the record that Jr had never called Henry Eng a liar. Just that the information that was in the story was false. How Gordon Pang got his info is not known to me. At no time did we submit a plan to DPP. What Jr meant about the Souzas was that maybe it was the drawing that they had presented at the last Makakilo meeting the plans that Gordon had referred to? Who the hell knows.

And you are right about Jr saying that the dirt was to build the track. I would have thought that is was a no-brainer to anyone that we would need dirt to build a dirt track. And anyone with enough sense about building a race track with dirt venues, would agree that more dirt would be needed later. So, stop trying to turn this guppy into a whale. You and Les have a bad habit about spinning things around to fit your little fantasy of screwing Jr over.

And the green that you're referring to is of those that are green with envy. So, get your mind out of the gutter. Oh, and don't worry about the wedding, we all know who won't be there.

And don't worry about us staying strong, we have you guys to motivate us.

Like we said before, just sit back and see what happens.

[dirt racer]

Tracy, not that your post needs any justification, just wanted to post for the record that Jr had never called Henry Eng a liar. Just that the information that was in the story was false. How Gordon Pang got his info is not known to me. At no time did we submit a plan to DPP. What Jr meant about the Souzas was that maybe it was the drawing that they had presented at the last Makakilo meeting the plans that Gordon had referred to? Who the hell knows.

And you are right about Jr saying that the dirt was to build the track. I would have thought that is was a no-brainer to anyone that we would need dirt to build a dirt track. And anyone with enough sense about building a race track with dirt venues, would agree that more dirt would be needed later. So, stop trying to turn this guppy into a whale. You and Les have a bad habit about spinning things around to fit your little fantasy of screwing Jr over.

And the green that you're referring to is of those that are green with envy. So, get your mind out of the gutter. Oh, and don't worry about the wedding, we all know who won't be there.

And don't worry about us staying strong, we have you guys to motivate us.

Like we said before, just sit back and see what happens.

Gordon got the info from Henry. Henry was quoted, not something Gordon made up. Henry has reconfirmed that the information was correct.

Jr. is full of shit as usual.

IIRC, Henry Silva was supposedly your contractor. Is he a licensed engineer?

[Paradise Racer]

Gordon got the info from Henry. Henry was quoted, not something Gordon made up. Henry has reconfirmed that the information was correct.

Jr. is full of shit as usual.

IIRC, Henry Silva was supposedly your contractor. Is he a licensed engineer?

Nope, I spoke with Fran and the engineer and no one there had submitted any plan that got rejected. I know that Gordon talks to you guys alot. Did he get this info from your group?

Henry's Equipment is a licensed contractor that hires their engineers.

[dirt racer]

Nope, I spoke with Fran and the engineer and no one there had submitted any plan that got rejected. I know that Gordon talks to you guys alot. Did he get this info from your group?

Henry's Equipment is a licensed contractor that hires their engineers.

No we don't send emails to the newspaper from Mr. Eng's account. This is what the paper printed.


City Planning and Permitting Director Henry Eng confirmed that an extension was being granted to SORT LLC. Eng, in an e-mail, said the company had "come in with a stockpiling plan which was not acceptable because it was not prepared and stamped by a registered professional engineer. Another plan has not been submitted."

If Jr truly believes the information is false, then I suggest he contact the Advertiser and ask for a retraction.

[dirt racer]

i can think of one guy who was so curious as to what is going on at Parcel 24 and Kalaeloa Raceway Park that he kept posting and hounding on this one hawaii website, over and over and over... lots of "dirt" kind stuff.

... and then he got banned

Wrong!!!

He got banned for telling the truth. It seems a certain moderator from a certain website has his head so far up someone else's ass that he can't see the truth. :eek:

As far as Grucci goes, King George III ran them off by trying to jack up their rent by 300%. Too bad, because Grucci were good tenants and paid the rent for the whole property. The bunkers would not be needed for a track operation anyway. Another brilliant move for King George! Now that he's 86'd his partners as well, he can pay the rent all by himself. AND the $1,000 per day fine (now over $30,000), AND the $47,000 in back taxes and fines for his other business.

No worries, I'm sure all of his loyal dumbass internet supporters will pitch in to help pay his expenses. :rolleyes:

[LJW]

Wrong!!!

He got banned for telling the truth. It seems a certain moderator from a certain website has his head so far up someone else's ass that he can't see the truth. :eek:




You mean Bryan from FH?

[dirt racer]

You mean Bryan from FH?

Bryan from the HT G2G's lol

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g14/dirt_racer/mn-parade30_0498713937.jpg

[LJW]

Bryan from the HT G2G's lol

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g14/dirt_racer/mn-parade30_0498713937.jpg

Maybe Mike K. should ask this guy(or Bryan) to help in the POLISHING of his LITTLE presentation; bwaaahaha.

[dirt racer]

Maybe Mike K. should ask this guy(or Bryan) to help in the POLISHING of his LITTLE presentation; bwaaahaha.

I think Mr. K should wait until the agenda actually comes out before announcing anything. Nah, that makes too much sense. :confused:

[punishum]

You mean Bryan from FH?

No, No, I think U mean "BRYAN OKUBO" aka BMW Driver.

Yeah, I finally tried to register over at FH to get in touch with these organizers of these car cruises. Because every time they gather they get citations for Recon etc. I want to do a story on it. I already asked HPD and got turned down in only a matter of hours. See, with HPDs cooperation I would have made the story more on the side of consequences for BAD Behavior, but now I want to do it from the kids side of pure HARASSMENT. A reporter from KITV did a story on this same subject before.

So I contacted BMW Driver to ask why the are not activating me and "NO RESPONSE" typical.

BUT what goes Around, will COME BACK Around. Just like Boomerang.

Always FORGIVE but NEVER FORGET.

[punishum]

Hey LJW, you can't put a shine on "SHIT". Mr. K has been in the military and ought to know you can shine Brass, your Boots, Your Medals but no matter how much BRASSO you use, it ain't Shining "SHIT".

I am surprised how far one moron got with a manila folder full of papers, a bad aloha shirt and a dumb "LOOK".

Fooled a whole bunch of elected officials for a Very, VERY LONG Time . . . . . . :D :D

[dirt racer]

you can't put a shine on "SHIT".

Yeah, but you can stack it pretty high...

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g14/dirt_racer/BullshitPile.jpg

[dirt racer]

I had the hardest time naming this Thread and the main reason is That I laughed so hard Reading my "Stir the Pot " Thread ... Man I cant believe I did that,,,

I want to say I apologize for it and won't do that again... I really havent never done it that way before at all,,,,, But hey I needed to vent...


OKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK


Now lets get to crawling before you walk ... The whole deal right now is just that ,& I learned that at a meeting tonite(8/21/200...I'll let Mike and Mike and Jr. and RaceFan and others tell ya what went on... I'll keep it Surfa Simple,,,




If you think this project to build a track is not moving you are so wrong,,, Permitts,,, They are Comming,, Time frame was told but I aint sayin nuttin honey,, Lets just say it's in process,,,There are basically 2 and have to be done seperately,, One is called Stock Piling and da other is "Grating" Spelling may be wrong, and I didnt google As far as the negatives and positives of this Particular Situation I can tell ya that ya's alls No need worry, Those things are being handled..Its really simple.. The people on the outside of this know "Not" what is actually the "Truth" simply because they are not involved,,,Dirt had his chance to come tonite and threw it away...But it would derail his anti track jargon and I guess he decided not to attend the meeting,,,,You missed out,,,,,


Jr, did say tonite that they have learned alot and will continue to do so as this progresses,,,& I'll let him explain all the guts and stuff that was in the stew tonite,,, Youll like it...


Alot of leaders and simply people that try to do something "Big" in life started that way in American and World history &&&& guess what ??? Its happening again ,tho on a smaller world etc scale but none the less happening,,,

It is simply that like a baby learning in a new world, this track thing is just that,, A new World,,, & this build the track movement is getting stronger and covering more ground each and every day,,

We had 3 elected officials there that have been,want to ,and will continue to help and already have done so,,,They have said we have the right formula now and Micah over at DHHL is even more supportive of the "Mass" movement that has shifted since we got Moving under SORT LLC ,,, Grant ya Mistakes have been made and they(the mistakes) delay the process,, But 1 must remember that ya need to learn the game before ya can play well and
Colleen Hanabusa has said we got the right foundation and that this thing has come a long way and the "Process" is part of the deal.. You are moving along pretty quickly in Political process terms,,, she emphasized,,, "The game is on" and we are playing better as we go,,

OH another thing ya alls,,, I also know that Jr. has the backing to get the 1st Phase done on the financial end,, No worry,,, Only if ya are a "Da other Side Supporter " you do need worry ,,,, You Know why,,,???

Its really simple

A track will be built,,,, and it is comming,,,,


Jr & all that are pivotal in this organizations(SORT LLC) gains have already learned to crawl and baby did they crawl,,,You have no Idea,,,,But you know what ??? They are walking now and guess what happens after learning to walk,,,, ?????????????? suspense ....................................


Ya Runnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn baby,,,,,,,,


So there,,,,, Keep up the support..
"Know that a track is being built soon !!!!

&&& Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooops,,, A permanent site was also discussed and thats really part of that running process,,, after crawling & walking,,,,Alot of long term goals were discussed and how to go about getting em done,& mainly that we need minds together on this one more than ever,,,To put that winning formula together,,,

So Trackers,,,,, Keep the faith,,,, that track is a gonna get built.... Thats "FACT".. Its just the politics and mistakes that have delayed this and the mistakes are getting fewer & politics also equals time and we already endured 2 years of it and made leaps and bounds contrary to others belief's,,,,

Your support when needed is very critical,,, youll be called when needed ,I hear an HCDA presentation next month will be done,,

Rest assured that the legal and financial part of this operation is sound...and we have a good guy making it happen and some good help to back that good guy up ...& it will "Get Er Done"



How was that Larry P. ????? Pretty mellow for me Huh,,,



Ahui Ho & Ardios buenadincos,,,,

Surfa is out,,,,

Walk, crawl, run??? Man, you're really full of shit! :eek:

You retards believe what you want...:confused: :confused: :confused:

For the rest of us (with brains in our heads), it's pretty easy to check for ourselves and find out that no permits have been applied for. There is also no Environmental Assessment on record (which the Dept. has stated is a requirement). The illegal dumping violation still has not been corrected, and the fines are adding up daily to big $$,$$$.$$ That's what you call progress?

With regards to your politician friends - if they really supported the racers, the track (the real track with the full 1/4 mile) would be open already. They've had several opportunities at the State and County levels to make something happen and didn't. You're (still) being played. Of course the negative testimony from your confused idiot friends didn't help.

SORT the non-profit are still pursuing the best opportunities available for a track (not P24).

[dirt racer]

Bill on Bigfoot...


that fox news report looked authentic. whether the actual "find" is bull shit or not i dont know..

I guess if you believed MO's bullshit, you might as well believe in Bigfoot, UFO's, the Loch Ness Monster, etc. lol

Grow a brain.

[flyinryan66]

Theres no loch ness awe man you broke my bubble.....:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[dirt racer]

all of the discussion related to HRP at that meeting pretty much came down to the fact that it most likely will NEVER be a racetrack again...and that it has been priced out of the market for use as such.

I guess no one at the meeting heard the results of the Raceway Park bid which closed 7/31. Uninformed bunch you got there. :rolleyes:

With regards to OMAC's negative testimony at the Council, yes I remember Council Chair Barbara Marshall telling me to my face in a City Council hearing that OMAC represented 90% of the racers, and that OMAC was against saving the track. I wonder why she thought that???

[dirt racer]

Theres no loch ness awe man you broke my bubble.....:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Hahaha yeah. Bill probably seen Bigfoot on TV though -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnwnM8fnn9A

Hey Bill, It's not real! It's a guy in a monkey suit!

[LJW]

I guess no one at the meeting heard the results of the Raceway Park bid which closed 7/31. Uninformed bunch you got there. :rolleyes:

With regards to OMAC's negative testimony at the Council, yes I remember Council Chair Barbara Marshall telling me to my face in a City Council hearing that OMAC represented 90% of the racers, and that OMAC was against saving the track. I wonder why she thought that???

Hanging with Fred, sniffing all the manure.

[dirt racer]

... still no 1/4 mile dragstrip there...


Don't be so sure about that.:rolleyes:

[flyinryan66]

dirt man im on the island give me a call 810-429-1299. Ryan

[Need4Speed]

Call him dirt boy :D

[flyinryan66]

hey dirt boy give me a call.:D :D :D :D