Ron's First Annual Auto Show!

[punishum]

Went to the Ron's car show today. Great job. Paul Maddox and Ron Uemura the 2 brain trusts behind this 1st Annual 4th of July stadium event. With the help from those like Louis Ilac of Lex Brodies, 448 cars and thousands showed up. You couldn't beat it. Great weather, Free Monster drinks, vendors from the mainland like Milodon, Auto Meter, etc and the awesome cars from ole rods to pimpin trucks and classics. Great new concept to Hawaii but to have all the vehicles from ALL the various classes paraded all of their vehicles around the stadium so you got to hear as well as see them in action.

Word has it that coordinators of the Ron's event had wanted to post up a eflyer poster of the event on FH and Kitchens as the moderator would not allow it. And Kitchens was talking smack as well as spreading ill will and arrogance towards the Ron's event like you would to a sworn enemy and acting like Mike Kitchen's is the only game in town with your wrangling ( BSing others ) into being the coordinator for the Pearl Harbor event on this great holiday, the 4th of July. The military is always a GREAT one to support but Mike your arrogance and hostile tactics are just like those of all the BAD leaders you have teamed up with in the past and support now. It is true as the saying, "Birds of a Feather . . . "

FYI, Slick, Guys like Louis and others had all volunteered to help the Pearl event long before you arrived. And by the way, the shows they did before was BIGGER than you could ever imagine. How many cars did you have at Aloha Tower and today at Pearl combined? Wan't no 448, 4 sure, 4 sure, BOY :p

Having car shows at the Aloha Tower were 80% of the crowd are tourist and taking over a military car show and making it into another MOMAC deal does you no good. It is the locals that you need to convince of your ponzy scheme but even those at the Lunch Bunch saw through your tall tales and shut you down. All you can convince are the wayward and unintelligent with IQs less than a 40. And since you have a 41, I guess that qualifies you to mislead and deceive.

Ron's is an established store here in Hawaii long before you were even born Mike. You come from the mainland and don't EVEN have a clue and you keep making enemies all along the way. YOU don't just burn the bridge, you Zorch Them :eek: Just like all of the other misleading wanna be leaders you decided to follow that all went into or are headed to the proverbial DITCH.

You have never contributed anything other than to create chaos and mess things up.

Always remember what I told you and all the others that are ALWAYS backing the wrong horses and causing all of this
GRIEF and PROBLEMS and CHAOS "There will not be ANY ticker tape parade for ANY of you when the smoke clears."

My suggestion to you INSURGENTS is to take up fishing or golf.

And HAVE A WONDERFUL LIFE :D :D

[TooDeep]

Went to the Ron's car show today. Great job. Paul Maddox and Ron Uemura the 2 brain trusts behind this 1st Annual 4th of July stadium event. With the help from those like Louis Ilac of Lex Brodies, 448 cars and thousands showed up. You couldn't beat it. Great weather, Free Monster drinks, vendors from the mainland like Milodon, Auto Meter, etc and the awesome cars from ole rods to pimpin trucks and classics. Great new concept to Hawaii but to have all the vehicles from ALL the various classes paraded all of their vehicles around the stadium so you got to hear as well as see them in action.

Word has it that coordinators of the Ron's event had wanted to post up a eflyer poster of the event on FH and Kitchens as the moderator would not allow it. And Kitchens was talking smack as well as spreading ill will and arrogance towards the Ron's event like you would to a sworn enemy and acting like Mike Kitchen's is the only game in town with your wrangling ( BSing others ) into being the coordinator for the Pearl Harbor event on this great holiday, the 4th of July. The military is always a GREAT one to support but Mike your arrogance and hostile tactics are just like those of all the BAD leaders you have teamed up with in the past and support now. It is true as the saying, "Birds of a Feather . . . "

FYI, Slick, Guys like Louis and others had all volunteered to help the Pearl event long before you arrived. And by the way, the shows they did before was BIGGER than you could ever imagine. How many cars did you have at Aloha Tower and today at Pearl combined? Wan't no 448, 4 sure, 4 sure, BOY :p

Having car shows at the Aloha Tower were 80% of the crowd are tourist and taking over a military car show and making it into another MOMAC deal does you no good. It is the locals that you need to convince of your ponzy scheme but even those at the Lunch Bunch saw through your tall tales and shut you down. All you can convince are the wayward and unintelligent with IQs less than a 40. And since you have a 41, I guess that qualifies you to mislead and deceive.

Ron's is an established store here in Hawaii long before you were even born Mike. You come from the mainland and don't EVEN have a clue and you keep making enemies all along the way. YOU don't just burn the bridge, you Zorch Them :eek: Just like all of the other misleading wanna be leaders you decided to follow that all went into or are headed to the proverbial DITCH.

You have never contributed anything other than to create chaos and mess things up.

Always remember what I told you and all the others that are ALWAYS backing the wrong horses and causing all of this
GRIEF and PROBLEMS and CHAOS "There will not be ANY ticker tape parade for ANY of you when the smoke clears."

My suggestion to you INSURGENTS is to take up fishing or golf.

And HAVE A WONDERFUL LIFE :D :D

Cuz, Cuz, Mike or whatever your name Kitchens yah, brah you one stink ass.

[dirt racer]

Sounds like Ron's just put on the biggest and best car show in Hawaii. :rolleyes:

[Chad89GT]

First off, Mike isn't a moderator on Forums Hawaii. He has no authority there.

Mike runs www.hawaiitalks.net There is an "eflier" on Hawaii Talks for the Aloha Stadium show... http://hawaiitalks.net/showthread.php?t=37513 BTW, "ZOOM" (the guy who posted the flier) is Paul Maddox.

Also check his posts on Hawaii Performance Mustangs and Paradise Cruisers. He never once dogged on the Aloha Stadium.

You're right that Louis did a great job on the Pearl Harbor show in the past, but he was tired of it. So he passed it on to someone else. He even approached Paradise Cruisers to run it. Ask him.

You're also right that Paul Maddox is a great guy. No arguing that point.

Maybe you should have checked your souces before posting that other ignorant BS, Mr. Jounalist. There never was a competition between the 2 shows. They're geared towards different demographics. Only petty tyrants with inferiority complexes need to see competition where there is none.

[punishum]

First off, Mike isn't a moderator on Forums Hawaii. He has no authority there.

Mike runs www.hawaiitalks.net There is an "eflier" on Hawaii Talks for the Aloha Stadium show... http://hawaiitalks.net/showthread.php?t=37513 BTW, "ZOOM" (the guy who posted the flier) is Paul Maddox.

Also check his posts on Hawaii Performance Mustangs and Paradise Cruisers. He never once dogged on the Aloha Stadium.

You're right that Louis did a great job on the Pearl Harbor show in the past, but he was tired of it. So he passed it on to someone else. He even approached Paradise Cruisers to run it. Ask him.

You're also right that Paul Maddox is a great guy. No arguing that point.

Maybe you should have checked your souces before posting that other ignorant BS, Mr. Jounalist. There never was a competition between the 2 shows. They're geared towards different demographics. Only petty tyrants with inferiority complexes need to see competition where there is none.


Well as always, everyone else is lying and all you clowns from MOMAC are the saints. Is that it?

And yeah, I checked my sources and you should quit believing liars. I admire your boldness to come and back up your buddy but as always, you chose wrong, again.

The source that gave me the information is more stand up then you'll ever be. So go back under that rock you crawled out from under. The sunlight must be killing you right now.

And again, better check your complexes and look at the track record as to who is inferior.

[dirt racer]

all you clowns from MOMAC

It's "JOMAC" now (Mike retired). :D

[Chad89GT]

Well as always, everyone else is lying and all you clowns from MOMAC are the saints. Is that it?

And yeah, I checked my sources and you should quit believing liars. I admire your boldness to come and back up your buddy but as always, you chose wrong, again.

The source that gave me the information is more stand up then you'll ever be. So go back under that rock you crawled out from under. The sunlight must be killing you right now.

And again, better check your complexes and look at the track record as to who is inferior.

I stated my sources and posted links to support them, they're there for everyone to see. Your story just doesn't jive with public facts. I don't hide behind empty "he said she said" rumors, I post proof. You sound like Less. State your source if it's so reliable.

As far as a track record goes, every group out there right now is in the same boat pissing into the same wind. Some have chosen to row together to try and get somewhere while a few keep trying to attack them and every effort.

Going back under my rock now. I have a mortgage and car payment to earn.

[LJW]

I stated my sources and posted links to support them, they're there for everyone to see. Your story just doesn't jive with public facts. I don't hide behind empty "he said she said" rumors, I post proof. You sound like Less. State your source if it's so reliable.

As far as a track record goes, every group out there right now is in the same boat pissing into the same wind. Some have chosen to row together to try and get somewhere while a few keep trying to attack them and every effort.

Going back under my rock now. I have a mortgage and car payment to earn.

Rowing together to try and get somewhere? Where might that be? Every group out there is in the same boat pissing in the same wind? I would like for you to post up proof on these 3 things.

[dirt racer]

As far as a track record goes, every group out there right now is in the same boat pissing into the same wind.

Hahaha, you are a funny bugger. You really think Mike and Tom aren't laughing at Jr. crashing and burning? You really think Jr. would help OMAC get P9? You think SORT the non-profit is gonna just quit and walk away? Who's making offers on HRP? Hint: it ain't Jr, he can't even afford to buy himself a house! :(

[punishum]

I stated my sources and posted links to support them, they're there for everyone to see. Your story just doesn't jive with public facts. I don't hide behind empty "he said she said" rumors, I post proof. You sound like Less. State your source if it's so reliable.

As far as a track record goes, every group out there right now is in the same boat pissing into the same wind. Some have chosen to row together to try and get somewhere while a few keep trying to attack them and every effort.

Going back under my rock now. I have a mortgage and car payment to earn.

Since when have you or any clown from OMAC ever stated any facts other than heresay and bs ? ? ?

Reveal the source, he is "VERY" well respected within the motorsports community and if he said what transpired, you can take it to the bank.

He even said that he thought you were a cool guy even after all of this. Shows he's a bigger man than any of you could ever hope to become.

And by the way, why did Kitchens edit his post then ? ? ?

As always, all you guys do is smoke and mirrors with no substance. End of story.

Kicthens is a liar and that is that.

And ROW, you make me laugh, all you guys do is go in circles. You all sound jus like all the DUMB rednecks that think the south will rise and that the confederate flag will fly again.

And yeah, you only come slitherin' out from under your rock when the lights are out. That's alright, the big slippah goin soon be there to get "ALL" of you roaches under that same rock soon enough. With a huge spotlight to reveal all you buggahs :D :D

[dirt racer]

maybe we can drive around the Dept. of Hawaiian Home Lands building since the legislature is out of session.

Hey Chad, why would you want to do that? According to Jr. (while bullshitting) he's already got DHHL's full support. And since you're all one big happy family now, I'm sure that Jr. could get whatever you want from them. :rolleyes:

[Paradise Racer]

Hahaha, you are a funny bugger. You really think Mike and Tom aren't laughing at Jr. crashing and burning? You really think Jr. would help OMAC get P9? You think SORT the non-profit is gonna just quit and walk away? Who's making offers on HRP? Hint: it ain't Jr, he can't even afford to buy himself a house! :(

You know Les, it must be really hard for you to not know what's going on. You see, everyone knows that the less you know the less trouble you can cause. You'd be very surprise who's supporting the project.

You talk about Mike and Tom laughing at Jr? You're so funny!!! Didn't you previously accuse Jr and Mike of working together? You need to go back and refresh your memory. As for P9, we know where that is and as for HRP, it's too early to tell. Are you going to buy it? Gonna mortgage your home and business for the betterment of the racing community. I didn't think so. You are so quick to criticize everyone out there and yet look at you....

If SORT (non-profit) is going to do something about HRP, more power to them. My main concern is KRP. Whether it's temporary or not, I'm looking for something for now.

And your crack about Jr not being able to buy a house, you had better do more research. We own over 15 acres of land with houses on them and we had recently acquired a nice piece of property in Kapolei. So, get your facts straight before you start mouthing off.

P.S. Oh yeah, don't forget the two houses on the outer islands.

[Paradise Racer]

Hey Chad, why would you want to do that? According to Jr. (while bullshitting) he's already got DHHL's full support. And since you're all one big happy family now, I'm sure that Jr. could get whatever you want from them. :rolleyes:

Geez Les, I can almost see the pout on your face when you posted this. Stop acting like the ugly step-child.

[AAX]

Someone sent me this link, and I'd just like to clear this up for everyone that's reading this. I've got no problems with Paul or Louis. They know what's up. That's all that matters. If you have questions, feel free to call ME or them directly.

FYI: Louis HANDED the reigns over to me, and even helped me with the setup of the first PH show. I was a volunteer for Louis with the Blues on the Bay show, and worked the gate on the setup and event days for him. I have no beef with him, and he doesn't with me.

Second, I've known Paul M. as an acquaintance for the past two years. He helped me advertise the first BTT show. My link to Hawaii Talks is on his site, as is his link to Motorhead Magazine. I helped him get the word out on the local web about the EIS for the Kona track. I made sure he could post on HT about the July 4th Hot Rod Picnic, which involved resetting his password, and activating his account, as well as attaching the filer for it (which is why it's EDITED IN JUNE). I know his history, and his reputation in the automotive and motorsports community, and there's no way in hell I would try to compete or challenge that. I don't own FH, nor am I a moderator there, either.

This entire thread is ridiculous. This entire forum is filled with hate and bigotry...and it's just sad to see it.

[punishum]

You know Les, it must be really hard for you to not know what's going on. You see, everyone knows that the less you know the less trouble you can cause. You'd be very surprise who's supporting the project.

You talk about Mike and Tom laughing at Jr? You're so funny!!! Didn't you previously accuse Jr and Mike of working together? You need to go back and refresh your memory. As for P9, we know where that is and as for HRP, it's too early to tell. Are you going to buy it? Gonna mortgage your home and business for the betterment of the racing community. I didn't think so. You are so quick to criticize everyone out there and yet look at you....

If SORT (non-profit) is going to do something about HRP, more power to them. My main concern is KRP. Whether it's temporary or not, I'm looking for something for now.

And your crack about Jr not being able to buy a house, you had better do more research. We own over 15 acres of land with houses on them and we had recently acquired a nice piece of property in Kapolei. So, get your facts straight before you start mouthing off.

P.S. Oh yeah, don't forget the two houses on the outer islands.


Ok, Jeanette. We heard it from many people that Jr was having breakfasts with Jokeland.

Who do you have now? The Easter Bunny and Santy Clause?

And isn't that why Franklin helped you guys out by painting one of your houses to get a loan for P 24 but the bank rejected the request?

We know from documents that Colleen had drawn up the paperwork for the transfer of Pueo from JS to Jr. And a deal to get the dirt guys ( Circle Track ) a place which is P 24 in exchange that you guys support P 9. Which as we both know P 9, which has been and always will be a joke because it is "NEVER" happening and that is the same song Jokeland has been singing for nearly 20 years . . . 20 YEARS.

Now everyone knows you gotta be outta your mind to sink SOOOooo much money into p 24 for something that is only temporary. SOOOoooo temporary that the lease can be pulled at a moments notice, or in this case 30 days notice.

The extension on the city violations for the dirt dumping expires this Sunday and we know as of yesterday, you guys have not "EVEN" filed for the permits.

Too bad you didn't attend the HCDA meeting last week because you would have heard from Micah's own mouth that you guys are going to have to "HAVE" an Enviromental Assesment, which as you know is also required when you apply for your city permits.
In your guys case, to settle a existing violation which will have steep daily fines.

Actually, I think you guys are amazed at how much we do know, thus the redirection.

Let me give you a hint: It is easy when you are so transparent.

[punishum]

Someone sent me this link, and I'd just like to clear this up for everyone that's reading this. I've got no problems with Paul or Louis. They know what's up. That's all that matters. If you have questions, feel free to call ME or them directly.

FYI: Louis HANDED the reigns over to me, and even helped me with the setup of the first PH show. I was a volunteer for Louis with the Blues on the Bay show, and worked the gate on the setup and event days for him. I have no beef with him, and he doesn't with me.

Second, I've known Paul M. as an acquaintance for the past two years. He helped me advertise the first BTT show. My link to Hawaii Talks is on his site, as is his link to Motorhead Magazine. I helped him get the word out on the local web about the EIS for the Kona track. I made sure he could post on HT about the July 4th Hot Rod Picnic, which involved resetting his password, and activating his account, as well as attaching the filer for it (which is why it's EDITED IN JUNE). I know his history, and his reputation in the automotive and motorsports community, and there's no way in hell I would try to compete or challenge that. I don't own FH, nor am I a moderator there, either.

This entire thread is ridiculous. This entire forum is filled with hate and bigotry...and it's just sad to see it.

I never said it was Paul or Lois. It came from someone else who I will keep anoynomous. Who I will believe over anything you say anyday.

Excuse me Mike, Hawaii Talks.

This is the most humble you have ever been.

As always MIke you created the mess, and I just pointed it out.

If that's hate and bigotry, then QUIT doing things to trip over your own dick.

[dirt racer]

You see, everyone knows that the less you know the less trouble you can cause.

Trouble? Post one letter I've sent against P9 or P24. All I'm doing is pointing out the facts regarding the progress (or lack thereof). And that the info Jr. is putting out there (like him saying he had the permits already, or that the track would be done in August, or the layout that's not even on the property and covers archaeological sites) is invalid.

But I can see why you all have chosen to be quiet. There's no progress to report, and any more bullshitting is gonna get called. :rolleyes:

And for the record, this is what's going on at P24:

1. No permits have been applied for yet.

2. The extended deadline to obtain permits or remove the dirt is next week.
(or face the $1,000 per day fine)

3. The Director has stated in this months HCDA meeting that an EIS will be required for the project and has not been submitted yet.

[dirt racer]

And isn't that why Franklin helped you guys out by painting one of your houses to get a loan for P 24 but the bank rejected the request?


No, the loan was for a house they were trying to buy. But they couldn't get it because they didn't qualify. I guess they'll have to keep renting. :rolleyes:

[dirt racer]

Now everyone knows you gotta be outta your mind to sink SOOOooo much money into p 24 for something that is only temporary. SOOOoooo temporary that the lease can be pulled at a moments notice, or in this case 30 days notice.


Well, Jr claims he put $200,000 into the place already. The guy is funny. :D

[dirt racer]

Didn't you previously accuse Jr and Mike of working together? You need to go back and refresh your memory.

I don't recall making that statement. Perhaps you could go find the quote? :rolleyes:

I do recall Jr saying that Mike was going to reopen the track. Which is total bullshit. He does like to bullshit. :rolleyes:

[Paradise Racer]

Ok, Jeanette. We heard it from many people that Jr was having breakfasts with Jokeland.

Who do you have now? The Easter Bunny and Santy Clause?

And isn't that why Franklin helped you guys out by painting one of your houses to get a loan for P 24 but the bank rejected the request?

We know from documents that Colleen had drawn up the paperwork for the transfer of Pueo from JS to Jr. And a deal to get the dirt guys ( Circle Track ) a place which is P 24 in exchange that you guys support P 9. Which as we both know P 9, which has been and always will be a joke because it is "NEVER" happening and that is the same song Jokeland has been singing for nearly 20 years . . . 20 YEARS.

Now everyone knows you gotta be outta your mind to sink SOOOooo much money into p 24 for something that is only temporary. SOOOoooo temporary that the lease can be pulled at a moments notice, or in this case 30 days notice.

The extension on the city violations for the dirt dumping expires this Sunday and we know as of yesterday, you guys have not "EVEN" filed for the permits.

Too bad you didn't attend the HCDA meeting last week because you would have heard from Micah's own mouth that you guys are going to have to "HAVE" an Enviromental Assesment, which as you know is also required when you apply for your city permits.
In your guys case, to settle a existing violation which will have steep daily fines.

Actually, I think you guys are amazed at how much we do know, thus the redirection.

Let me give you a hint: It is easy when you are so transparent.

Well Good Morning Tracy.... You know I had tossed the idea of coming back on this forum back and forth and I really didn't want to post here. Especially knowing that I would be stepping on shit and getting it from all angles from you folks. But I had enough of the crap that you and your posse have been throwing at Jr. Let me ask you....what the hell did he do to you? He had always helped you when you asked and for what? Did he charge you? NO!!! Did he require you to pay back a favor? NO!!! You guys are a joke.... just too much....and you know what? Even though you get your little kicks out of slamming him down, he just laughs it off and says that he loves the entertainment of this forum.

What I'd like to know is why would it be a big issue if Jr had any kind of meals with Mike? You like to claim that you get your facts straight, but you are so delusional it's sad. He had one meeting with Mike at Zippys, years ago and now he's having breakfasts with him. Boy, what's next? You must be getting your info from the Tooth Fairy.

And you know what? You are correct about Franklin painting one of our houses. In fact, he did a very good job too. But this was for our refi and this was way before P24 even became an issue. And he didn't do this for free, we paid him for it. And if the loan didn't come through, then how were we able to buy the house on the outer island? Oh but wait....didn't Les say that Jr couldn't afford to buy a house? Tsk tsk tsk.....such bad information you guys have. But then again, what do you know about buying and owning a house, you still live at home with your parents. Maybe you need to pay the Tooth Fairy more than quarters to get the information.

P9....ha ha ha ha ha.....you guys are really worried about it, arent you? P9 was good dream, but it's not happening. But, I wouldn't say that it couldn't happen, if you know what I mean. Whatever business transaction Jr has regarding Pueo, has nothing to do with P9, P24 or any other "P" you can think of. You see, Jr is recognized for his business skills and talents. Too bad you can only see what the voices in your head tell you to.

Don't worry about P24 being temporary. We all knew that from the very beginning. That's what we had set out to get. A temporary site for the racers, while a permanent one is sought after. You're not at risk if this doesn't happen. And when it does, you are still invited to come and race. And as for the permits.....shhhhhhh.....I know something that you don't. SO...NO WOOOORRYYYY!!!!

In fact.....don't worry about anything....all you guys need to do is keep the forums going. I like coming home and reading all the drama that goes on here. Sometimes I get tired of the sitcoms on TV. We will do whatever needs to be done to be in compliance with the City & State.

[dirt racer]

I had enough of the crap that you and your posse have been throwing at Jr.

I like coming home and reading all the drama that goes on here. Sometimes I get tired of the sitcoms on TV.

Make up your mind. :confused:

[Need4Speed]

P9 was good dream, but it's not happening. But, I wouldn't say that it couldn't happen, if you know what I mean.
I'm sure they don't know what you mean. P9 is a good dream, present tense.

[dirt racer]

I'm sure they don't know what you mean. P9 is a good dream, present tense.

I think we know what you mean. Jr helps with P9, OMAC helps with P24. Isn't that just wonderful! :D

Such wonderful togetherness! SOOOOOO much has been accomplished since this wonderful new marriage! lol

You got nothing.

[Paradise Racer]

Trouble? Post one letter I've sent against P9 or P24. All I'm doing is pointing out the facts regarding the progress (or lack thereof). And that the info Jr. is putting out there (like him saying he had the permits already, or that the track would be done in August, or the layout that's not even on the property and covers archaeological sites) is invalid.

But I can see why you all have chosen to be quiet. There's no progress to report, and any more bullshitting is gonna get called. :rolleyes:

And for the record, this is what's going on at P24:

1. No permits have been applied for yet.

2. The extended deadline to obtain permits or remove the dirt is next week.
(or face the $1,000 per day fine)

3. The Director has stated in this months HCDA meeting that an EIS will be required for the project and has not been submitted yet.

You know Les, you and Tracy are the same. You guys are intelligent and knowledgable and yet you choose to take the negative road towards the racers getting a race track. You like to go on and on and on about how you say the Jr said that he had the permits. What you failed to hear Jr say was that it was being addressed. As far as I know, that is totally two different things. I guess it's selective hearing you guys have.

We have chosen to be quiet as you say, for the main purpose that there is information that is on a need to know basis and you know where you're at. It's obvious that anything we say will be twisted and slapped down. You are sooooo good at that. First is was MO and now it's Jr. Who's next?

And as for the permits, like I told Tracy....NO WOOOORRRRYYYY!!!! And as for the fines....I have been in contact with the City and I know what needs to be done. But "Thank you" for your continued concern. And as for the HCDA, we are looking forward to next month when we meet with them and we will address any issues they have. Make sure that you come early to get a good seat.

[Paradise Racer]

No, the loan was for a house they were trying to buy. But they couldn't get it because they didn't qualify. I guess they'll have to keep renting. :rolleyes:

Seeing that you want to be all up-close-and-personal and into my business. I wouldn't apply for a loan that I couldn't get and the reason why we rented the house in Maili was because the rent was sooooo cheap. And the house had sentimental value. There was alot of history with that house that you would never know or understand. But, like I told you.....we are now residents of Kapolei, as well as still homeowners of property in Waianae, Big Island and Kauai. Not bad for someone that owns a "shit" business.....

[Paradise Racer]

Well, Jr claims he put $200,000 into the place already. The guy is funny. :D

CORRECTION: It's over $250k invested into the project. Silly boy.....

[Paradise Racer]

Make up your mind. :confused:


What??? Was that statement hard for you to comprehend? I was tired of the crap so I had to come back and put in my $.02 and I agree with Jr with the great entertainment that you guys put on here. It's funny when you visualize your group calling each other on the phone saying "did you see the forum? So & so just posted this and that". Fricken hilarious!!!!

[Paradise Racer]

I'm sure they don't know what you mean. P9 is a good dream, present tense.

Sorry bout that. I stand corrected.;)

[Paradise Racer]

I think we know what you mean. Jr helps with P9, OMAC helps with P24. Isn't that just wonderful! :D

Such wonderful togetherness! SOOOOOO much has been accomplished since this wonderful new marriage! lol

You got nothing.

No silly boy.....it's about togetherness alright, but it's a marriage of a group of people that are able to work together to establish the end result of the racers coming together on a race track (temporary or not) and having what we so missed.....RACING!!!

Unlike your togetherness/marriage of your group that has a vendetta against us and will stop at nothing to stop or delay our goal to make this all happen.

SHAME SHAME SHAAAAME!!!!

[Paradise Racer]

If you don't mind....I'll be stepping out for lunch now. All this posting has worked up an appetite.

See y'all later....

[dirt racer]

CORRECTION: It's over $250k invested into the project. Silly boy.....

Hahaha, it sure looks like it.

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g14/dirt_racer/temp%20site/100_8351.jpg

[dirt racer]

Sorry bout that. I stand corrected.;)

Yes please, don't forget to be friendly to MO and all his supporters. You need their support for P24.

Forget all the people that joined SORT to save HRP. Jr gets to be King of the dirt pile. And when everyone finally realizes that nothing will happen there, you can always blame it on us. :D

[LJW]

Don't worry about P24 being temporary. We all knew that from the very beginning. That's what we had set out to get. A temporary site for the racers, while a permanent one is sought after.



Hey Jeanette, I have one question for you; I know that Franklin and Evelyn had alot of money invested in P24, not that it is any of my business, but being that they are no longer involved with P24, do they get their money back being they were "screwed" out of this deal? If you choose not to answer, I'll understand.

[Paradise Racer]

Yes please, don't forget to be friendly to MO and all his supporters. You need their support for P24.

Forget all the people that joined SORT to save HRP. Jr gets to be King of the dirt pile. And when everyone finally realizes that nothing will happen there, you can always blame it on us. :D

It seems like it's you guys that forgot about the people that joined SORT to save HRP. It's obvious that you guys forgot about them when you all decided to vote a new board of directors. You never did answer that question about who voted you all in. Not that I care and all. It's just that there were some people that had asked me about it. I asked them if they were called for the vote and they said they new nothing about that. It must have been by secret ballot.

You and your group seem to have forgotten waaaaay back when we were on the same page that we were still supporting the return of HRP and at the same time wanting to find another site that we could use temporarily for the racers to play on. Not everyone can afford to go to the mainland or outer island.

All you guys cared about was that there was alot of dirt at KRP and that there wasn't any profit from it. The profit was that there would be a race track built.

And it was YOU that had put Jr. on the top of the "mountain of dirt". You had proclaimed him to be "King George". Too bad your soooo transparent that we can all hear the jealousy in your voice. For what....I don't know. You had your chance at the Makakilo meeting to state that you wanted to be the one in charge. Everyone did. But, no one stepped forward and said that they wanted to make it happen. Just those that wanted to point out about "where's my $$$$$$$".

Funny how some people's chain of actions can change when $$$$$ get's involved and yet all of a sudden their motives change. So quick to criticize now, when in the past, they were sooooo supportive.

GO FIGURE!!!!

[dirt racer]

All you guys cared about was that there was alot of dirt at KRP and that there wasn't any profit from it. The profit was that there would be a race track built.

First of all I never asked King George for any dirt money. The profit was there for King George, so where's the track? Sort of like the profit that Mike (or should I say Tom) got for selling HRP was supposed to go into a new facility. How is it people that keep all the money for themselves can accuse other people of being greedy?


And it was YOU that had put Jr. on the top of the "mountain of dirt". You had proclaimed him to be "King George". Too bad your soooo transparent that we can all hear the jealousy in your voice. For what....I don't know.


Yeah, I'm jealous of the big dirt pile with the $1,000 per day fine. I want one too. :(

[dirt racer]

Hey Jeanette, I have one question for you; I know that Franklin and Evelyn had alot of money invested in P24, not that it is any of my business, but being that they are no longer involved with P24, do they get their money back being they were "screwed" out of this deal? If you choose not to answer, I'll understand.

No they don't get their investment back. That's why you call it getting "screwed".

I guess Jr needed the money to buy his 4th house (now that they live in Kapolei). :rolleyes:

[hadenough]

CORRECTION: It's over $250k invested into the project. Silly boy.....

have you and george put in more money. you told me it was 230k in the project. what was the money spent on. the dirt was free you got paid to dump the dirt you got paid to haul the dirt . WOW i guess thats how you got all the house you talk about. LETS see if a track will ever be built.

[LJW]

Hopefully one day we will find out what the real reason was. Until then, everybody just has to live with it. Well at lease I know I'm going to heaven.

[TooDeep]

.... You know I had the idea of coming back and forth and I really didn't want to . Especially knowing that I would be getting it from all angles from you folks.





In fact.....don't worry about anything....all you guys need to do is keep the forums going. I like coming on here.I will do whatever needs to be done to be in compliance.

Ho sista I stay all hard now!

[dirt racer]

what was the money spent on.

Excellent question. Let's see an itemized expense list totaling $250,000. :rolleyes:

[Paradise Racer]

Hey Jeanette, I have one question for you; I know that Franklin and Evelyn had alot of money invested in P24, not that it is any of my business, but being that they are no longer involved with at P24, do they get their money back being they were "screwed" out of this deal? If you choose not to answer, I'll understand.

The Souza's were not being screwed out of the deal. Evelyn was told to straighten out and correct the mistake she made with the business registration. She didn't feel that it was necessary. They were upset that they couldn't charge the truckers a dump fee like they did when they ran the race track. Jr told them numerous times they couldn't do that and then offered to reimburse Franklin for any of the expenses they had paid for. Which wasn't that much. He didn't want that. He wanted to profit off the hauling of the dirt.

I don't know what other expenses they paid out, since they were getting rent money from Grucci with the bogus lease agreement they made them sign.

[Paradise Racer]

have you and george put in more money. you told me it was 230k in the project. what was the money spent on. the dirt was free you got paid to dump the dirt you got paid to haul the dirt . WOW i guess thats how you got all the house you talk about. LETS see if a track will ever be built.

I can tell you that money went for fencing material, telephone poles, water meter hook-up and some electrical wiring. And in the months to come, he expects to spend a little over $100,000 for a 5,000 gallon water buffalo storage, bleachers from the mainland, and some other misc. equipment to be used at the track, such as augers and trenchers.

[Paradise Racer]

Excellent question. Let's see an itemized expense list totaling $250,000. :rolleyes:

Why does he have to justify any of his spending to you? He's not using your money or any of the racer's money. And no worry about the fines.....if there are any fines to be paid, he'll pay it. Let's just wait and see what happens next. What you need to do is repair more televisions so you can pay attention.

[Paradise Racer]

First of all I never asked King George for any dirt money. The profit was there for King George, so where's the track? Sort of like the profit that Mike (or should I say Tom) got for selling HRP was supposed to go into a new facility. How is it people that keep all the money for themselves can accuse other people of being greedy?



Yeah, I'm jealous of the big dirt pile with the $1,000 per day fine. I want one too. :(

I didn't say that it was you that had asked for money. And if you don't know where the track is, you had better take another look at your photo collection. It's right there. You know the place that you had trespassed on.

You and your crazy group keep rambling about money money money. You guys are sooooo foolish in thinking that we are making any kind of money with the project. It's just the opposite. But, I guess that since you guys are such experienced business people, you would know.

And you know that you are jealous Les, cause you can't stop your constant bashing. You seriously should take a good look at what you've become.... It doesn't look so good.

[Paradise Racer]

I guess Jr needed the money to buy his 4th house (now that they live in Kapolei). :rolleyes:

Ha ha ha ha.....you need to make up your mind Les. What is it? Does Jr have money to buy a house or not? Did he not get qualified for a loan or did he? Are you our new accountant now? You seem to act like you know of our financial situation. Silly silly boy....

[Paradise Racer]

Ho sista I stay all hard now!

Grow up! Sicko!

[hadenough]

I can tell you that money went for fencing material, telephone poles, water meter hook-up and some electrical wiring. And in the months to come, he expects to spend a little over $100,000 for a 5,000 gallon water buffalo storage, bleachers from the mainland, and some other misc. equipment to be used at the track, such as augers and trenchers.

all you say will come out in the wash. you bs so much you believe yourself. all the money you say you and jr spent and could not pay for a water truck that cost $25,000 give me a break. i see no fencing ,bleachers was from a racer. and all this for a tem track. talk is cheap. start building the track. you can fool some of the racers some time but not all the racers all the time.

[LJW]

The Souza's were not being screwed out of the deal. Evelyn was told to straighten out and correct the mistake she made with the business registration. She didn't feel that it was necessary. They were upset that they couldn't charge the truckers a dump fee like they did when they ran the race track. Jr told them numerous times they couldn't do that and then offered to reimburse Franklin for any of the expenses they had paid for. Which wasn't that much. He didn't want that. He wanted to profit off the hauling of the dirt.

I don't know what other expenses they paid out, since they were getting rent money from Grucci with the bogus lease agreement they made them sign.

She didn't feel it was necessary because she thought you guy's were all friends, and wasn't it you that mistakenly turned in the form to DHHL stating SORT as an LLC instead of a Non-profit? That was YOUR mistake. And about making money, they never asked you guy's "wheres my money", they wanted you guy's to put a portion into the SORT account. That was the problem right there; when you started hauling in all the dirt, you never tell anyone what was going on, never answer your phone calls, never return e-mails or messages, nothing. There is no problem if you guy's only want yourselves to be in charge of everything, but what you forgot is that you were part of a group that worked together for 2+ years. Who would ever think YOU, Jeanette, would turn against Evelyn like this. What you dont seem to understand is that it's not the money that was the problem, it was the fact that Jr. wanted to be in control of everything, it's very obvious, and that's why he had to get rid of all the loose ends (started SORT LLC and KRP LLC) to cover all areas. And all you can say is they greedy?

[dirt racer]

I can tell you that money went for fencing material, telephone poles, water meter hook-up and some electrical wiring. And in the months to come, he expects to spend a little over $100,000 for a 5,000 gallon water buffalo storage, bleachers from the mainland, and some other misc. equipment to be used at the track, such as augers and trenchers.

So is the $100,000 "he expects to spend" part of the $250,000? Or is the total going up to $350,000?

[dirt racer]

Why does he have to justify any of his spending to you? He's not using your money or any of the racer's money. And no worry about the fines.....if there are any fines to be paid, he'll pay it. Let's just wait and see what happens next. What you need to do is repair more televisions so you can pay attention.

Just pointing out the fact that the $250,000 claim is bullshit. :rolleyes:

[dirt racer]

Ha ha ha ha.....you need to make up your mind Les. What is it? Does Jr have money to buy a house or not? Did he not get qualified for a loan or did he? Are you our new accountant now? You seem to act like you know of our financial situation. Silly silly boy....

Well it seems he didn't have the money until he got paid by Royal Construction to illegally dump material onto Hawaiian Home Lands property. Property that was supposed to be used for racing only. :mad:

[dirt racer]

You and your crazy group keep rambling about money money money. You guys are sooooo foolish in thinking that we are making any kind of money with the project. It's just the opposite.

Jr admitted at the 3/22 SORT meeting that he made $50,000 from the dumping. That's probably a low number. You refuse to itemize the claimed expenses. And now you "magically" have the money to buy a house. Hmmm sounds kinda fishy to me. :rolleyes:

[dirt racer]

And about making money, they never asked you guy's "wheres my money", they wanted you guy's to put a portion into the SORT account.

Jr probably figured buying a house was a better investment. :rolleyes:

[Paradise Racer]

all you say will come out in the wash. you bs so much you believe yourself. all the money you say you and jr spent and could not pay for a water truck that cost $25,000 give me a break. i see no fencing ,bleachers was from a racer. and all this for a tem track. talk is cheap. start building the track. you can fool some of the racers some time but not all the racers all the time.

First of all, if you're going to respond to my posts, you should have the deciency to reveal yourself. Just by the words you use, I can pretty much tell you you are. You don't know a thing about business, that's obvious. Any kind of intelligent person would know that in order to have a operational race track you would need equipment (water truck, grader, roller, backhoe/loader, etc.) I sure as hell didn't see no one else providing this for the track. At the numerous meetings we had, we had discussed the pieces of equipment Jr was able to get. You guys were all good with that. We do have some equipment (lights, bleachers to name a few) that was donated to the cause. And we greatly appreciate that and we have offers from others to donate other things as well. But, not everything will be handed to us on a silver platter. We do have to get it ourselves and what Jr did was plan from way back and start rounding it up.

You hide behind your screen name and talk all kind of smack and yet you're too chicken shit to come out as yourself. The leeward side is a small town and word does get back at what you are going around saying. And yes, talk is cheap...so what have you done lately? Going around trying to bad mouth Jr won't work. You see, all the racers want is a track to race on. If not built by Jr, then anyone would do. If you think that you are sooo much better than us, then please go for it....

We aren't trying to fool anyone....and neither are you.

[Paradise Racer]

She didn't feel it was necessary because she thought you guy's were all friends, and wasn't it you that mistakenly turned in the form to DHHL stating SORT as an LLC instead of a Non-profit? That was YOUR mistake. And about making money, they never asked you guy's "wheres my money", they wanted you guy's to put a portion into the SORT account. That was the problem right there; when you started hauling in all the dirt, you never tell anyone what was going on, never answer your phone calls, never return e-mails or messages, nothing. There is no problem if you guy's only want yourselves to be in charge of everything, but what you forgot is that you were part of a group that worked together for 2+ years. Who would ever think YOU, Jeanette, would turn against Evelyn like this. What you dont seem to understand is that it's not the money that was the problem, it was the fact that Jr. wanted to be in control of everything, it's very obvious, and that's why he had to get rid of all the loose ends (started SORT LLC and KRP LLC) to cover all areas. And all you can say is they greedy?

Leo, Evelyn or whomever you are today.... You like to talk like you were involved in this process. When I submitted the proposal to DHHL is was under Save Oahu's Race Tracks LLC. That was no mistake. There were reasons why I did it that way and the Souza's know this. There were also discussions about the non-profit, which we had discussed who would be handling that part. Evelyn knows who I'm talking about too, cause she tried to contact him too. So, the mistake was when the papers were submitted to DCCA. And it was no biggie....Evelyn could have had it corrected, but, as I had said earlier, she saw no need for that.

The Souza's knew about the dirt and the hauling of the dirt. We talked about it at my office, at the restaurant and on the phone. If this wasn't hawaiian home land and we were paying for the dirt and hauling, then I could see charging for a dump fee. But it is and and the dirt and hauling was free, so it would have been wrong to charge. The truckers that provided the service, got paid from the contractor....THAT'S BUSINESS!!!! Unless I'm wrong, fuel, labor, insurance, taxes, tires, oil, etc...is not free. Those are expenses that come out of the companies that were providing the hauling. Not to mention the equipment at the track (dozer/loader, water truck, labor) also had expenses. You fools think that the money just goes into someone's pocket. You had better think again.

I have never turned against anyone. There were things that had to be corrected and if the Souza's couldn't do it, then we had to. It greatly saddened me when things turned bad. I had truly enjoyed Evelyn and Franklin's friendship. They are good people. Despite what people told me, I saw them for what they were and I thought all was good. I still believe that they are good people, but I don't like what they are doing. To be all supportive in getting the racers a track and then going to meetings and telling different organizations that this is no good and that we are destroying the land? Come on....what's that all about? Why don't you ask Evelyn about how she called my insurance agent and tried to get the insurance policy into her name, being sent to her address? What about the secret meeting with the tenants to get them to sign a bogus lease and collect monies from them? She may have paid rent to DHHL for those few months and that is her signature on the check (she was the only one authorized to sign), but what about the rest?

So, all in all....I see it for what it is.

[Paradise Racer]

AND....at one of our meetings with the Souzas...Jr told them that he would be handling the construction of the track. They agreed....

The plan was to have them manage the track.

Yeah, I can see the greediness in Jr....:rolleyes:

[Paradise Racer]

So is the $100,000 "he expects to spend" part of the $250,000? Or is the total going up to $350,000?

Your the bean counter aren't you? You tell me.... You do have the facts right???? Don't speculate.

[Paradise Racer]

Just pointing out the fact that the $250,000 claim is bullshit. :rolleyes:

Les, you are sooooo pathetic. You don't know shit....

You're just a wannabe and all you have is this forum that is used for all the wrong reasons.

Too bad.... I kinda had hope for you, but I guess not....

[Paradise Racer]

Well it seems he didn't have the money until he got paid by Royal Construction to illegally dump material onto Hawaiian Home Lands property. Property that was supposed to be used for racing only. :mad:


Like I said...truly pathetic....

Why don't you google stock car racing and see what the cars race on. Unless you are thinking about P9 and the stock cars racing on asphalt pavement or cement?

Come on Les....WAKE UP!!!!!

Don't get too close to your TVs...I think your brain cells are being sucked out.

[Paradise Racer]

Jr admitted at the 3/22 SORT meeting that he made $50,000 from the dumping. That's probably a low number. You refuse to itemize the claimed expenses. And now you "magically" have the money to buy a house. Hmmm sounds kinda fishy to me. :rolleyes:

Oh yeah...everyone buys a house with cash money....uh huh....

I don't know what kind of house you live in, but my house will be paid off in about 30 years.

Like I said, stay away from the TV.....not much brain cells left. Why don't you go and read a book about business. Expand your horizons....be adventurous!!!

[dirt racer]

You're just a wannabe and all you have is this forum that is used for all the wrong reasons.


The idea of this forum was to have a place where anyone interested can go to get factual information. Unfortunately, the "Propaganda Sites" did not allow factual information to be presented. A racetrack will not be created by people making up tall tales. We've all heard MO's and OMAC's tall tales. Now it seems Jr. wants to follow in MO's footsteps with his own tall tales (with OMAC firmly on board). Time is your enemy not me. Already plenty people no longer believe Jr's tall tales.

Jr said last year there would be a Christmas race with a $10,000 purse. Didn't happen. He said in the Feb. DHHL meeting there would be asphalt down at P24 in 6 months. It's been 6 months, there's no asphalt. Jr said at the last "Stock Car " meeting @ P24 that the track would be ready in August. Well, it's gonna be August in a few weeks and the permits STILL have not even been applied for yet. The truth is that it would be at least 2 more years IF P24 happens at all. My guess is it won't happen.

If my skepticisms motivate you all, great. You have 2 more days to get the permit applications in before the 30 day extension ends. :D

[Paradise Racer]

The idea of this forum was to have a place where anyone interested can go to get factual information. Unfortunately, the "Propaganda Sites" did not allow factual information to be presented. A racetrack will not be created by people making up tall tales. We've all heard MO's and OMAC's tall tales. Now it seems Jr. wants to follow in MO's footsteps with his own tall tales (with OMAC firmly on board). Time is your enemy not me. Already plenty people no longer believe Jr's tall tales.

Jr said last year there would be a Christmas race with a $10,000 purse. Didn't happen. He said in the Feb. DHHL meeting there would be asphalt down at P24 in 6 months. It's been 6 months, there's no asphalt. Jr said at the last "Stock Car " meeting @ P24 that the track would be ready in August. Well, it's gonna be August in a few weeks and the permits STILL have not even been applied for yet. The truth is that it would be at least 2 more years IF P24 happens at all. My guess is it won't happen.

If my skepticisms motivate you all, great. You have 2 more days to get the permit applications in before the 30 day extension ends. :D

Sorry Les....but Jr follows no ones footsteps but his own. And it's sad to see that you cannot accept the fact that OMAC has become a great asset to the project. They believe in Jr's efforts with his project and have been supportive in every way. They have some very talented people that have done alot so far. So, why don't you just get over it and accept the fact that OMAC is helping with the project. And it seems to me that they only people that don't believe in Jr's efforts with the project is your group. The rest of the people are patienly waiting. You see, this is the only game in town.

The reason why we didn't have the Christmas race was because the contractor was going back and forth with DPP, trying to determine whether we needed the permits or not. And the delays we're having now is because of certain individuals that want to be childish and create obstacles. You were at that February meeting and yes, Jr did mention that it would take about 6 months to get asphalt at P24....but like I said this was before the certain individuals decided to make it their life goal to see this project fail, whichever way possible. Don't act like this is all new to you Les....

As for the permit application, "NO WOOOOOORY!!!".

[Paradise Racer]

BTW....you never did answer my question about the secret ballot. Inquiry minds want to know....who voted for the new directors and when was the election?

[dirt racer]

BTW....you never did answer my question about the secret ballot. Inquiry minds want to know....who voted for the new directors and when was the election?

You gotta ask our cutie Secretary. She took the minutes. ;)

[dirt racer]

The reason why we didn't have the Christmas race was because the contractor was going back and forth with DPP, trying to determine whether we needed the permits or not.

And didn't you tell Evelyn last year that the permits were going to cost $10,000? So I guess that means you needed them eh? And needed to concoct some scheme to get out of paying for them? :rolleyes:

Looks like the scheme backfired! :eek:

[LJW]

BTW....you never did answer my question about the secret ballot. Inquiry minds want to know....who voted for the new directors and when was the election?

Well we tried to get in touch with you but you never answer your phone and we didn't want to wait to 1:15am for you to check your email. You need to learn how non-profit org's work, between your very busy schedule.

[Paradise Racer]

You gotta ask our cutie Secretary. She took the minutes. ;)

Aren't you on the newly formed board of directors? Tracy made his proclamation that he was a member. How come you guys didn't post the results for the rest of the SORT members to see?

Silly me....if you didn't let anyone know about the secret ballot, why let them know who the new directors are? Right?

[Paradise Racer]

And didn't you tell Evelyn last year that the permits were going to cost $10,000? So I guess that means you needed them eh? And needed to concoct some scheme to get out of paying for them? :rolleyes:

Looks like the scheme backfired! :eek:

You can refresh Evelyn's memory and tell her that the $10k she's referring to went to the Brand Stragedy Group for the radio announcements and website. We told them that we would pay for it and she said that she had to wait until after they refinanced her son's house before they could pay anything. The contractor mentioned that if the permits required bonding, to would cost $10k. That is something that the contractor would be paying for, not us..... That is their contribution to the project.

And why would I have to pay them anything anyway? When we made shirts, signs, food, etc. It was for the cause. Not something that we would be looking to get reimbursed for. It was for the racers and the racing community. To be looking to get reimbursed makes me look at their whole motives in doing this in a different light. I told Evelyn that whatever money was in the account would be for the expenses incurred and that when the track openned, then maybe we could recoup some of our expenses. And that would be after the expenses of the track was paid first.

Maybe that's the whole problem....maybe they were looking at this as an investment project.

[Paradise Racer]

Well we tried to get in touch with you but you never answer your phone and we didn't want to wait to 1:15am for you to check your email. You need to learn how non-profit org's work, between your very busy schedule.

Why were you trying to get in touch with me??? Let me refresh your memory as well....At the last Makakilo meeting Jr told Evelyn, Franklin and everyone there that we should vote a new board of directors right there and then, with everyone present. The Souza's didn't want that. He even told everyone that he didn't want to be on the board and I was already out.

What kind of organization are you folks running? You have members, invite them to meetings, ask them to come out and help lobby and also ask for donations and yet you don't inform them when you're electing new officers and having an election. Sounds kinda fishy to me....

You guys should have been getting in touch with the SORT members, not dishing out bs about you guys trying to get in touch with me. And FYI, I got no emails from the Souza's or SORT.

[Paradise Racer]

You gotta ask our cutie Secretary. She took the minutes. ;)

Seeing that your forum was for reporting information for the racing community, why not post those minutes for everyone to see? I know that that your cutie secretary has city council experience and would take thorough (accurate) minutes.

I'm sure that there were some people that didn't go to the meeting that might be interested to see them. So go post it up.....

[LJW]

Why were you trying to get in touch with me??? Let me refresh your memory as well....At the last Makakilo meeting Jr told Evelyn, Franklin and everyone there that we should vote a new board of directors right there and then, with everyone present. The Souza's didn't want that. He even told everyone that he didn't want to be on the board and I was already out.

What kind of organization are you folks running? You have members, invite them to meetings, ask them to come out and help lobby and also ask for donations and yet you don't inform them when you're electing new officers and having an election. Sounds kinda fishy to me....

You guys should have been getting in touch with the SORT members, not dishing out bs about you guys trying to get in touch with me. And FYI, I got no emails from the Souza's or SORT.

Well if Jr. didn't want to be on the board, and you were already out, who are you guy's to want everybody to vote a new board? And why do you care about anything? Aren't you guy's SORT LLC? And who are these members that you speak of? I know you're not that dumb, are you? SORT HAD 4 Founding members; who else is a member? Let me guess, all the racers are members, right? What makes you think that all the racers want to be part of an organization? I dont want to. But Franklin and Evelyn are like family to me and I will stand beside them to the end. That friendship is stronger than any track can be. No matter what you say, you are wrong and you know it.

[dirt racer]

Seeing that your forum was for reporting information for the racing community, why not post those minutes for everyone to see? I know that that your cutie secretary has city council experience and would take thorough (accurate) minutes.

I'm sure that there were some people that didn't go to the meeting that might be interested to see them. So go post it up.....

Certainly we are not going to be posting land acquisition offers. If and when we close a deal on a piece of property it will be reported. No bullshitting from our side to try and gather up supporters.

As for the minutes, I don't have them and would not post them on a forum if I did. If you were so interested in what's going on with SORT, you shouldn't have resigned.

[dirt racer]

The contractor mentioned that if the permits required bonding, to would cost $10k. That is something that the contractor would be paying for, not us..... That is their contribution to the project.


But I thought you said the contractor was told by DPP that you didn't need permits because it was DHHL land? You wouldn't happen to have the name of the person at DPP who told you all this would you? Mr. Claus? Mr. Bunny? or perhaps it was Mr. Fairy? :rolleyes:

And another thing, YOU WERE TOLD IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS BY DHHL back in February that this project will require permits from C&C. If you supposedly have this "contractor" and this "talented" OMAC group helping, then why have 6 months passed and the permit applications have yet to be submitted? You wanna blame that on the Souzas? Are the Souzas in charge of DPP now too?

[hadenough]

Why were you trying to get in touch with me??? Let me refresh your memory as well....At the last Makakilo meeting Jr told Evelyn, Franklin and everyone there that we should vote a new board of directors right there and then, with everyone present. The Souza's didn't want that. He even told everyone that he didn't want to be on the board and I was already out.

What kind of organization are you folks running? You have members, invite them to meetings, ask them to come out and help lobby and also ask for donations and yet you don't inform them when you're electing new officers and having an election. Sounds kinda fishy to me....

You guys should have been getting in touch with the SORT members, not dishing out bs about you guys trying to get in touch with me. And FYI, I got no emails from the Souza's or SORT.

sort never had any members only supporters so if thier is to be election of board members only members on board can vote. so thats franklin evelyn and george.think about it? thier newly from group never ask for donations from me or my freinds . the only thing fishy is_____________ guess who!!!!!!!

[Paradise Racer]

Well if Jr. didn't want to be on the board, and you were already out, who are you guy's to want everybody to vote a new board? And why do you care about anything? Aren't you guy's SORT LLC? And who are these members that you speak of? I know you're not that dumb, are you? SORT HAD 4 Founding members; who else is a member? Let me guess, all the racers are members, right? What makes you think that all the racers want to be part of an organization? I dont want to. But Franklin and Evelyn are like family to me and I will stand beside them to the end. That friendship is stronger than any track can be. No matter what you say, you are wrong and you know it.

When SORT was initially formed, there were the 4 of us. When we started having meetings with the racers and started lobbying at the Capitol and Honolulu Hale, we had asked for support. There were racers and community members that came out. They were the MEMBERS OF "SORT"! The 4 of us were the organizers. You are confused and maybe the others are too, but this has always been from the get go. When we wore the SORT shirt, we were MEMBERS! When others wanted to purchase shirts, it was because they believed in the organization and were MEMBERS! So, when Jr had asked for the new election of directors/organizers at the Makakilo meeting, where MEMBERS were present, that was why.... Why don't you take a look at the bylaws that were created and approved by Evelyn?

I'm glad the Souza's are like family to you and that their friendship is valuable. I'm sure that they're happy to hear you say that. But, you appear to be either really confused or you have selective understanding.

So, you can tell me I'm wrong all you want. It doesn't change the facts.

[Paradise Racer]

Certainly we are not going to be posting land acquisition offers. If and when we close a deal on a piece of property it will be reported. No bullshitting from our side to try and gather up supporters.

As for the minutes, I don't have them and would not post them on a forum if I did. If you were so interested in what's going on with SORT, you shouldn't have resigned.

Seeing that you're pussy-footing around the subject, it's ok to say that you don't want to post up the minutes for anyone to see...just like the secret election.

And I do wish you luck in your land acquisition offer/deal. Unlike you and your posse, I will not belittle your efforts to do good. IF...that's what you're doing. G O O D L U C K!!!

[Paradise Racer]

sort never had any members only supporters so if thier is to be election of board members only members on board can vote. so thats franklin evelyn and george.think about it? thier newly from group never ask for donations from me or my freinds . the only thing fishy is_____________ guess who!!!!!!!

Uh huh....whatever...it appears that you have the mentality of a rock. Those that made donations, a few dollars here and a few dollars there, will appreciate that their money was incorrectly solicited and who knows where it went....Hmmmmmmm.

[hadenough]

Uh huh....whatever...it appears that you have the mentality of a rock. Those that made donations, a few dollars here and a few dollars there, will appreciate that their money was incorrectly solicited and who knows where it went....Hmmmmmmm.

when the new sort people was elected to the board their were no donations to the sort non-profit and they have no members as far as i know.and the rock mentality you say i have means i know and remember alot of things and know when bullshit is just that BULLSHIT. money was never solicited by the new board and their were no meetings for any racing follwers or supporters. maybe you know where the money----------Hmmmmmmmmmm. i know i know iknow!!!!!!!!!!!! HA!HA!HA!

[hadenough]

When SORT was initially formed, there were the 4 of us. When we started having meetings with the racers and started lobbying at the Capitol and Honolulu Hale, we had asked for support. There were racers and community members that came out. They were the MEMBERS OF "SORT"! The 4 of us were the organizers. You are confused and maybe the others are too, but this has always been from the get go. When we wore the SORT shirt, we were MEMBERS! When others wanted to purchase shirts, it was because they believed in the organization and were MEMBERS! So, when Jr had asked for the new election of directors/organizers at the Makakilo meeting, where MEMBERS were present, that was why.... Why don't you take a look at the bylaws that were created and approved by Evelyn?

I'm glad the Souza's are like family to you and that their friendship is valuable. I'm sure that they're happy to hear you say that. But, you appear to be either really confused or you have selective understanding.

So, you can tell me I'm wrong all you want. It doesn't change the facts.

so if i wore a hanabusa shirt i am a MEMBER of her team. you are totally trying to make things fit like a round peg in a square hole. i think you are the confused one. ask any lawyer about bylaws you might learn something and stop firing from your hip..

[Paradise Racer]

when the new sort people was elected to the board their were no donations to the sort non-profit and they have no members as far as i know.and the rock mentality you say i have means i know and remember alot of things and know when bullshit is just that BULLSHIT. money was never solicited by the new board and their were no meetings for any racing follwers or supporters. maybe you know where the money----------Hmmmmmmmmmm. i know i know iknow!!!!!!!!!!!! HA!HA!HA!

Like I said, the mentality of a rock and a little one at that. I did not say that it was the NEWLY formed SORT (the non-profit). This was the original SORT. So the money she got from the donations just vanished? It didn't get deposited into the SORT acct? Hmmmmm....Oh well.....

[Paradise Racer]

so if i wore a hanabusa shirt i am a MEMBER of her team. you are totally trying to make things fit like a round peg in a square hole. i think you are the confused one. ask any lawyer about bylaws you might learn something and stop firing from your hip..

Seeing that you're like Les, trying to change the subject and twist things around, let me explain it as simply as possible..... focus now focus....why don't you ask your wife, I mean Evelyn, to see the SORT bylaws. It clearly explains the following:

ARTCLE II – MEMBERSHIP
Section 1: Membership in this organization shall be open to all who support saving Oahu’s race tracks.

I think that we had quite a membership when SORT started. I think that if you continue to say that SORT had no members except for the Grace's and Souza's, you're going to upset alot of people. Especially those that were dedicated to the cause. Those that took the time out of their daily lives to come to the meetings, the ones that came out to testify, to lobby at the capitol and at Honolulu Hale. I know for a fact that there were many times that there were more than the four of us. In fact Les was one of them too. He took the time to come out. Are you saying that he was not a member?

[LJW]

I did not say that it was the NEWLY formed SORT (the non-profit). This was the original SORT.

So what was the original SORT? An LLC? If so, why were there bylaws?

[Paradise Racer]

So what was the original SORT? An LLC? If so, why were there bylaws?

A Limited Liability Company can have bylaws or an operating agreement.

Up late aren't we?

[LJW]

When SORT was initially formed, there were the 4 of us. When we started having meetings with the racers and started lobbying at the Capitol and Honolulu Hale, we had asked for support. There were racers and community members that came out. They were the MEMBERS OF "SORT"! The 4 of us were the organizers. You are confused and maybe the others are too, but this has always been from the get go. When we wore the SORT shirt, we were MEMBERS! When others wanted to purchase shirts, it was because they believed in the organization and were MEMBERS! So, when Jr had asked for the new election of directors/organizers at the Makakilo meeting, where MEMBERS were present, that was why.... Why don't you take a look at the bylaws that were created and approved by Evelyn?

I'm glad the Souza's are like family to you and that their friendship is valuable. I'm sure that they're happy to hear you say that. But, you appear to be either really confused or you have selective understanding.

So, you can tell me I'm wrong all you want. It doesn't change the facts.

Jeanette, do you think before you type? You are the one that is TOTALLY confused. For one, I've been in 3 non-profit organizations; 1 as a regular member, 1 as a vice president and the other as a president. So I'll just break it to you this way; 1) Bylaws are required when there is non-profit organization. 2) Non-profit organizations consists of a secretary, treasurer, sgt. of arms, vice president and president (notice 5 people; no tie breaker vote) 3) Members are voted in initially by the board members, with the president (chairman) having the last say. To make a long story short, Jr. said he wanted out of SORT, you emailed Evelyn saying that you were getting out effective immediately, so why worry about voting in a new board? 1 day before the Makakilo meeting, Jr. started SORT LLC. All this is is a conspiracy on your part to get rid of the Souzas. Oh and another thing, the President has the power to call private meetings anytime.

[hadenough]

Seeing that you're like Les, trying to change the subject and twist things around, let me explain it as simply as possible..... focus now focus....why don't you ask your wife, I mean Evelyn, to see the SORT bylaws. It clearly explains the following:

ARTCLE II – MEMBERSHIP
Section 1: Membership in this organization shall be open to all who support saving Oahu’s race tracks.

I think that we had quite a membership when SORT started. I think that if you continue to say that SORT had no members except for the Grace's and Souza's, you're going to upset alot of people. Especially those that were dedicated to the cause. Those that took the time out of their daily lives to come to the meetings, the ones that came out to testify, to lobby at the capitol and at Honolulu Hale. I know for a fact that there were many times that there were more than the four of us. In fact Les was one of them too. He took the time to come out. Are you saying that he was not a member?

members are people that pays dues to the.organization they belong to not supporters. les was like all of us wanted a race track and was willing to go the nine yards to support the cause and again we WERE SUPPORTS NOT MEMBERS. READ AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND AGAIN WHAT LWJ SAID. try again iam still not franklin i gave you two clues $230,000 and the $25,000 water truck. think ; focus ;focus ;focus come back later tonight when you,re in your ZONE.

[hadenough]

Like I said, the mentality of a rock and a little one at that. I did not say that it was the NEWLY formed SORT (the non-profit). This was the original SORT. So the money she got from the donations just vanished? It didn't get deposited into the SORT acct? Hmmmmm....Oh well.....

better to have a little rock in my head than SHIT in my brain because the only thing come your mouth is BULLSHIT and dont need to respond ,it will be BULLSHIT as always.

[dirt racer]

When SORT was initially formed, there were the 4 of us. When we started having meetings with the racers and started lobbying at the Capitol and Honolulu Hale, we had asked for support. There were racers and community members that came out. They were the MEMBERS OF "SORT"! The 4 of us were the organizers. You are confused and maybe the others are too, but this has always been from the get go. When we wore the SORT shirt, we were MEMBERS! When others wanted to purchase shirts, it was because they believed in the organization and were MEMBERS! So, when Jr had asked for the new election of directors/organizers at the Makakilo meeting, where MEMBERS were present, that was why.... Why don't you take a look at the bylaws that were created and approved by Evelyn?

According to DCCA docs, the 4 of you were Directors not organizers. I don't even know what you mean by "organizers". SORT is what you call a self appointed "board only" non-profit. Supporters can make donations without being voting members. Non-profits with voting members are clearly defined (just wearing a T-shirt doesn't make you a member), and usually charge dues to become a member.

You've got the bylaws. Post up where it says that members vote for the directors. That obviously wasn't the case.

[Paradise Racer]

Ok ok ok.....seeing that this is getting absolutely nowhere. I'm gonna step out of your big pile of shit. Since you guys have your newly formed SORT, I don't even know why I even bothered. Should have known better. If anyone asks me any questions, I will just refer them to hadenough and LJW they seem to have all the logistics on running a "non-profit" organization. Lucky you....

I'll just sit on the side with Les and do the "countdown".http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/jeanette96792/23_30_1231.gif

[dirt racer]

You've got the bylaws. Post up where it says that members vote for the directors. That obviously wasn't the case.

Well since Jeanette decided to quit, I'll post up the bylaws for her...

__________________________________________________ _______________
ARTICLE IV - BOARD OF DIRECTORS

Section 2: Terms. The directors to be chosen for the ensuing year shall be chosen at the annual meeting of this organization in the same manner and style as the officers of this organization and they shall serve for a term of 2 years, but are eligible for re-election.
__________________________________________________ _______________


I don't believe the officers were initially chosen by Jr's mob. But it was a nice try. :D

[Paradise Racer]

Well since Jeanette decided to quit, I'll post up the bylaws for her...

__________________________________________________ _______________
ARTICLE IV - BOARD OF DIRECTORS

Section 2: Terms. The directors to be chosen for the ensuing year shall be chosen at the annual meeting of this organization in the same manner and style as the officers of this organization and they shall serve for a term of 2 years, but are eligible for re-election.
__________________________________________________ _______________


I don't believe the officers were initially chosen by Jr's mob. But it was a nice try. :D

Good point Les, however the point I'm making is that who chose the positions of the members of the first group. The organization was intended to be a LLC, so that the 4 of us would be equal. And since you are posting the Bylaws, I would like to know when the first annual meeting was, because Jr and myself was not there, nor was there a 2nd annual meeting called. Was that something the the "chair" just overlooked?

The whole idea was to unite the racers and give them the chance to vote in who they wanted to lead SORT. This should not have been something that was self-appointed, the members (racer/supporters) of SORT deserved that.

BTW, the reason why I stepped out was to have you come forward and post it up. Why don't you go ahead and just post the whole thing already. That way everyone can get a clearer picture of what the SORT bylaws states.

[LJW]

The organization was intended to be a LLC, so that the 4 of us would be equal.
The whole idea was to unite the racers and give them the chance to vote in who they wanted to lead SORT.


First of all, if SORT was supposed to be an LLC (initially) why was SORT a non-profit org. filed with the DCCA over 2 years ago. And Jr. started SORT LLC March 21 2008 as him being the sole member; why aren't you on there too? Dont you want to be equal with him?

[dirt racer]

Good point Les, however the point I'm making is that who chose the positions of the members of the first group. The organization was intended to be a LLC, so that the 4 of us would be equal. And since you are posting the Bylaws, I would like to know when the first annual meeting was, because Jr and myself was not there, nor was there a 2nd annual meeting called. Was that something the the "chair" just overlooked?

The whole idea was to unite the racers and give them the chance to vote in who they wanted to lead SORT. This should not have been something that was self-appointed, the members (racer/supporters) of SORT deserved that.

BTW, the reason why I stepped out was to have you come forward and post it up. Why don't you go ahead and just post the whole thing already. That way everyone can get a clearer picture of what the SORT bylaws states.

I've never heard that the organization was supposed to be an LLC until this whole thing blew up this spring. And since you guys never gave the other Directors copies of the lease, they wouldn't have heard of it either.

My understanding from the beginning was that SORT was going to follow the model of the outer island tracks with State/County owned property and a private NON-PROFIT company operating it. That was what was in the presentations to the neighborhood boards, that was what was in the business plan back in 2006. If the company was supposed to be an LLC, then somebody should have said something earlier. Also, you were emailed the annual DCCA update in 2007. In fact you were the one that reminded Evelyn to send it in. It clearly shows that the company was a non-profit with Evelyn as the chair. If you all were against that, why didn't you say something then? The non-profit structure REQUIRES a chairperson. And if the intent were to have all 4 as equals, then why does Jr's LLC list himself as the only officer, sole proprietor of the company? I think this whole "it was supposed to be an LLC" BS is just an excuse to justify Jr. starting up a new company to take full control for himself. Congratulations on that, now he can pay the dumping fines and the cost of removing the dirt by himself! :rolleyes:

Meetings - my understanding is that the 4 of you met many times during the year on a regular basis.

And if you really wanted all the racers to vote for a leader, why didn't you do that at the first SORT meeting? Because that wasn't the plan, you 4 volunteered and appointed yourselves. Does it really make sense that an organization would be voting for a leader 2 years after its inception?

I will post the bylaws when I get a chance, and also the "Kalaeloa Permissible Use Table". I think you'll find that your new friend jury rigged the Kalaeloa Master Plan a long time ago. lol

[dirt racer]

And as for the permits, like I told Tracy....NO WOOOORRRRYYYY!!!! And as for the fines....I have been in contact with the City and I know what needs to be done. But "Thank you" for your continued concern. And as for the HCDA, we are looking forward to next month when we meet with them and we will address any issues they have. Make sure that you come early to get a good seat.

Guess what? The August agenda is out and JOMAC ain't on it. Wow, big surprise. :eek:

http://hcdaweb.org/events/agendas/2008-agenda/

[dirt racer]

This entire thread is ridiculous. This entire forum is filled with hate and bigotry...and it's just sad to see it.

I'll tell you what's sad to see, is the BS on YOUR forum. You've had all this BS about a new "World Class Facility" at Parcel 9 for several years now, even though the property has never been acquired (and won't be). Now it's a rerun with Parcel 24. You put out this fancy track layout that goes off the property, and doesn't take into account the archaeological sites (which are off limits). You really think that all you have to do is 2 presentations and then you can start breaking ground??? Try completing the environmental assessment and acquiring the necessary building permits first.


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And for the record, the August agenda is out and you're not on it.

[dirt racer]

i don't see the Kalaeloa Raceway Park (SORT,LLC) scheduled in the August 6th agenda.

i'm just keeping any eye on it. those who want to send in support can when it is on the agenda. any word as to when, Mike?

One of these days, Mike may actually figure out he's being fed shit and it makes him look stupid. Or maybe not? :rolleyes:

As far as the HCDA agenda goes, DON'T HOLD YOUR BREATH! LOL

[Paradise Racer]

One of these days, Mike may actually figure out he's being fed shit and it makes him look stupid. Or maybe not? :rolleyes:

As far as the HCDA agenda goes, DON'T HOLD YOUR BREATH! LOL

There's a saying...."what you don't know won't kill you". Obviously it's the opposite for you. It must really bother you that you don't know what's going on. Even though you may think you do.... we all know that you don't.

[dirt racer]

There's a saying...."what you don't know won't kill you". Obviously it's the opposite for you. It must really bother you that you don't know what's going on. Even though you may think you do.... we all know that you don't.

No, if I didn't know what was going on, I would have said KRP was on the agenda for June, and then August. Seems like it's your spokesman that doesn't know what's going on. I guess you figure if he believed MO, he would believe anybody. :eek:

What's going on is that you still don't have the required permits, and have still not provided a proper application. A "Notice of Order" was issued July 23, because your 30 day extension on the fines has run out. You are incurring a $1,000 per day fine for the illegal dumping.

HCDA will not hear a presentation until the necessary permits are acquired, and the necessary environmental assessment is completed.

[punishum]

Hey, I have a question. Maybe Jeanette can help me out.

What does a Notice of Order MEAN ? :confused: ? :confused:

And what are the ramifications of non-compliance and who will this affect?

[punishum]

I'll tell you what's sad to see, is the BS on YOUR forum. You've had all this BS about a new "World Class Facility" at Parcel 9 for several years now, even though the property has never been acquired (and won't be). Now it's a rerun with Parcel 24. You put out this fancy track layout that goes off the property, and doesn't take into account the archaeological sites (which are off limits). You really think that all you have to do is 2 presentations and then you can start breaking ground??? Try completing the environmental assessment and acquiring the necessary building permits first.


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And for the record, the August agenda is out and you're not on it.

Well, Mr. Kitchen "SINK" had learned from the best Smoke Screener there ever was.

In 1993 before the BRAC Jokeland said and I have it on tape that the WCF would take less than 6 months and would costs $5 Million to do.

By the time they got to the tax credits it was up to $250 Million.
Sounded like a DRUNK Milwaukee Light hobo of an EBAY Auctioneer.

Too bad Monopoly $ $ $ does "NOT" count :p

And how's this for the PUN, Mr. Sink has the same "MO" :D :D

NO, June, No August, no WHEN ? ? ?

Hey, Da Surfa and all the others, So now are you going to put your money where your mouth is and help Jr. pay down the FINES :eek: :eek:

You won't even be able afford even Stroh's after this. $1000 a DAY ! ! That's a lot of Green Bottles ! !

Or are you going to leave DHHL holding the proverbial B-A-G :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[TooDeep]

There's a saying...."what you don't know won't kill you". Obviously it's the opposite for you. It must really bother you that you don't know what's going on. Even though you may think you do.... we all know that you don't.

Hooo sista, I like sample then, no tell nobody but, I good.

[TooDeep]

Well, Mr. Kitchen "SINK" had learned from the best Smoke Screener there ever was.

In 1993 before the BRAC Jokeland said and I have it on tape that the WCF would take less than 6 months and would costs $5 Million to do.

By the time they got to the tax credits it was up to $250 Million.
Sounded like a DRUNK Milwaukee Light hobo of an EBAY Auctioneer.

Too bad Monopoly $ $ $ does "NOT" count :p

And how's this for the PUN, Mr. Sink has the same "MO" :D :D

NO, June, No August, no WHEN ? ? ?

Hey, Da Surfa and all the others, So now are you going to put your money where your mouth is and help Jr. pay down the FINES :eek: :eek:

You won't even be able afford even Stroh's after this. $1000 a DAY ! ! That's a lot of Green Bottles ! !

Or are you going to leave DHHL holding the proverbial B-A-G :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

wow mr. sink I think you stay in the wrong hole.

[Paradise Racer]

Hooo sista, I like sample then, no tell nobody but, I good.

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