OMAC HCDA Presentation 9/3/2008 [Archive]

dirt racer

09-03-2008, 04:18 PM

A brief summary-

OMAC presented this diagram of a .4 mile track (they say road course, I say go-kart) and 1/4 mile dirt oval.

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g14/dirt_racer/temp%20site/KRP-5.jpg

OMAC, SORT LLC, and DHHL, stated publicly that the previous diagram containing a 1.07 mile road course and 1/8 mile drag strip would NOT be built on the property. While at that same time the official www.kalaeloaracewaypark.com (http://www.kalaeloaracewaypark.com) website says this:

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g14/dirt_racer/temp%20site/finalphase2.jpg

OMAC presented a completion time estimate of Feb 2009, yet NO building permits have been applied for as of this date.

DHHL's rep stated that the Department would no longer require an Environmental Assessment to be completed, reversing last months testimony by Director Kane. Several members of the community complained about the lack of an EA requirement. One member of the community suggested "who in their right mind would invest in a project with a month-to-month lease?" (good point).

In summary - lots of arguing, lots of bullshitting, nothing is really getting done. Same ole, same ole.

dirt racer

09-03-2008, 04:40 PM

heh, thanks... i just thought that one (above) might be the "SORT" design as opposed to the really nice one OMAC came up with for "SORT,LLC" (shown here below)

i was also thinking that it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know which would be better to help temporarily accomodate a displaced racing community of multiple venues on Oahu. cheee

I guess the "really nice" design was bullshit? No need rocket scientists.

Need4Speed

09-03-2008, 07:33 PM

Thanks for the update.

Humble George

09-04-2008, 12:08 AM

Quote by dkmini:

I just got back from this meeting. Took a while to get to the subject, however, I must say that Mike K. and Chris M. did a great job (both in presentation and the cross-examination by Evelyn S. It got really heated for a while when Evelyn and her supporters started throwing out accusations and such but the OMAC folks and Junior and his wife kept their cool and just spoke the truth. It was quite evident that the Kalaeloa Raceway group had the backing of Micah Kane (DHHL) and his staff. Priceless moment was when the worked-up "prosecutor" asked why the KRP folks didn't get an EIS or EA and turned to DHHL who then told her that they did NOT need one. Her face just dropped. It dropped even more when DHHL told her that they would extend KRP's lease indefinitely as long as KRP follows the agreed upon lease requirements. I was wondering where the meeting was going for a while, however, at the end it was a meeting worth attending and the outcome was good.

I can just imagine the news article that will be appearing in the next few days about how incompetent DHHL is because they are allowing KRP to be built without an EIS or EA.

Here is someone else's interpretation of today's meeting. Just thought I'd share it with you all.

dirt racer

09-04-2008, 12:37 AM

Here is someone else's interpretation of today's meeting. Just thought I'd share it with you all.

Thanks for sharing that. Make sure and remind this poster that there will NOT be a road course or drag strip on the property as promised.

As far as the EA goes, considering that Director Kane had just stated in the previous months meeting that an EA WOULD be required, I guess it is a little shocking to hear that this decision had been reversed.

Here's the problem with not doing an EA - any complaints from the surrounding residential community will be magnified many times by them not being allowed input beforehand. Meaning - now you're REALLY gonna have people pissed off about a track at P24.

With regards to the stockpiling permit - I'm pretty sure you're not going to be able to build a racetrack with only a stockpiling permit. You will need to install catch fencing, bleachers, asphalt, concrete, electrical wiring, etc. Those things will all need building permits. It's better to apply for the permits ahead of time, rather than get halfway through the job and have another anonymous complaint about not having the proper permits (IMO). :rolleyes:

hadenough

09-04-2008, 09:06 AM

Here is someone else's interpretation of today's meeting. Just thought I'd share it with you all.

george and omac got thier azz wipe out by the hawaiian comty. thier pesention was notting but lies. m. kane said the final phase will not happen. so if the dirt track wont be moved the drag strip cant be built. another lie by mike kitchens OH he says its a dream and a wet dream at that, ha ha ha the presention will be aired on olelo so you can see and make your own judgment.

dirt racer

09-04-2008, 01:02 PM

Another point about the HCDA meeting yesterday -

Testimony was provided stating that the .4 mile Go-Kart track planned for P24 was larger than the Stadium lower Halawa parking lot. As you can see by this Google Earth measurement, that is not the case.

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g14/dirt_racer/LowerHalawalot2.jpg

It has also been stated by the OMAC group that there are investors ready to pay for the "phase 1" development. I seriously doubt that's the case, as the asphalt section would probably cost close to a million dollars. Only an idiot would invest that much money with a month-to-month lease.

The estimated completion time of Feb. 2009 is 100% total bullshit. We've heard these proclamations before. The 2007 Christmas race. Asphalt in 6 months from the February DAGS meeting. August completion of the dirt track from the last stock car meeting, etc. Why ANYONE would continue to believe this nonsense is bewildering.

dirt racer

09-04-2008, 01:50 PM

From www.kalaeloaracewaypark.com

Some testimony stated that the project is misleading the public, and that our final phase design is not representative of our intent. This is truly not the case. Our current "Final Phase" is representative of our dream, and our primary goal...which is to provide a home for 100% of the displaced racers of Oahu. Our designs are apt to change, and the way we achieve this goal is apt to change as well, but this is our primary mission, and one that we will support until it has been accomplished. In conjunction with this, a positive note was added by George Grace, Jr., that he is working to provide lower cost transportation to the outer islands for our displaced drag racers, until we can fully support their passions here on Oahu. Jeanette and George also expanded on the fact that our current stockpiling permit is awaiting approval from DPP and is expected within this week. From there, the grading permit will be created and applied for.

The fact is, the project IS misleading the public, and more specifically the racing community. Yesterday was the first time OMAC has admitted publicly that the 1/8 mile drag strip, and 1.07 mile road course would NOT be included in the project. The racing community was certainly under the impression that there would be a 1/8 mile drag strip:

from 8/13
bumbai. not enough land was aquired for 1/4. last i hear they have enough for a 1/8 and should eventually aquire enough for a 1/4

from 8/15
something is better than nothing. while I don't agree with the 1/8 mile, it's what we can get for now so lets appreciate that someone is getting something done. I'll just regear my bike for low 4 second 1/8th miles. We as a community need to adapt to what we are allowed to have. Hell I'll even try that circle track stuff if it means it helps keep our community alive.

On another note, the Jr's need some place to race and an 1/8th is perfect for them, we need to keep the younger generations involved otherwise racing will completely die off here eventually.

Why was this misconception not addressed???

The archaeological report was completed 6 months ago and is a matter of public record. Surely OMAC and SORT, LLC have known since then the planned drag strip and 1.07 mile road course would not be possible.

And it is surely great news to hear that Jr. is "working to provide lower cost transportation to the outer islands for our displaced drag racers". Obviously a very costly undertaking on Jr's part. Please keep us abreast of your progress, lest we think Jr. was talking out of his ass again.

Accurate information about the stockpiling permit as per DPP - the application was presented recently for a 4th try. The previous 3 applications were rejected. Any approval within the next few days would only be for the "application". The final permit approval will take several more months to a year. This permit only addresses the illegal stockpiling violation. There have been NO permit applications to actually build a track.

dirt racer

09-04-2008, 02:45 PM

Thanks for the update.

No problemo. Must be nice to see someone else get skewered for a change. :rolleyes:

noshibai

09-04-2008, 03:27 PM

Humble George

09-04-2008, 05:43 PM

george and omac got thier azz wipe out by the hawaiian comty. thier pesention was notting but lies. m. kane said the final phase will not happen. so if the dirt track wont be moved the drag strip cant be built. another lie by mike kitchens OH he says its a dream and a wet dream at that, ha ha ha the presention will be aired on olelo so you can see and make your own judgment.

Hey Frankie Boy, the only lies that day were the ones you were spreading in the back of the room and outside. Maybe next time you will bring someone to explain what the meeting was about. It's plain to see that you no understand. Must be some kind of mental block, cause all you could do was wave the first layout in the air and say "see see look look, they lie, they lie". I guess you was outside when M. Kane told everyone that the layout was modified in respect of the cultural findings. And you must have been outside when it was mentioned that there were other parcels that we were looking at for the drag strip. And that we also could use what we have to fundraise to help the racers that ship their cars outer island in the meantime. Didn't you hear that, or were you still outside talking shit.

It was unbelievable that through the whole presentation Kitchens said that we were not touching that part of the property (the uncleared side), and yet you and Les still rambled on about it. Maybe we need to fundraise for you and Les to "pay attention".

And remember it's called Save Oahu's Race TrackS LLC, not $ ouza's O val R ace T rack. Why don't you and Les get together and build a bridge and then get over it!!!! But, remember to get a permit first.

dirt racer

09-04-2008, 05:56 PM

It was unbelievable that through the whole presentation Kitchens said that we were not touching that part of the property (the uncleared side),

Yep, pretty unbelievable considering the fact that the "final phase" diagram was still up on your "official" website, while you were lying to the HCDA Board about it. lol

Kitchens: "BUT WE HAVE A DISCLAIMER!"

P.S. - You need a disclaimer. lol

Humble George

09-04-2008, 05:57 PM

OMAC presented a completion time estimate of Feb 2009, yet NO building permits have been applied for as of this date. As always Les, you're premature. No building permits are applied for, because we're not building anything that needs one. When one is needed, we'll get it. But thanks for your continued concern.

DHHL's rep stated that the Department would no longer require an Environmental Assessment to be completed, reversing last months testimony by Director Kane. Again, not paying attention Les. Didn't you hear that we were exempt from getting the EA? You need to stop misinterpreting everything. I hope you're not calling M. Kane a liar. And you talk about the surrounding neighborhood...don't you mean the certain Makakilo residents and yourself.

In summary - lots of arguing, lots of bullshitting, nothing is really getting done. Same ole, same ole. You are right about that one. You know Les, it's not nice to talk about your group that way.

See Les, you should have come to the meeting. You would have been better informed with the facts, instead of listening to your groups bs.

Humble George

09-04-2008, 06:02 PM

Yep, pretty unbelievable considering the fact that the "final phase" diagram was still up on your "official" website, while you were lying to the HCDA Board about it. lol

Kitchens: "BUT WE HAVE A DISCLAIMER!"

P.S. - You need a disclaimer. lol

Really petty Les, is that all you have? Maybe it's because they were so busy working on the presentation, researching, and going to site tours that the website didn't get updated. I'm sure the public will excuse that and understand. You need to get out of the stupid phase you're in. The phase had to be modified. Next time tell Frankie Boy to stop talking to you so you can pay attention to the presentation.

Humble George

09-04-2008, 06:05 PM

dirt racer

09-04-2008, 06:24 PM

Maybe it's because they were so busy working on the presentation, researching, and going to site tours that the website didn't get updated. I'm sure the public will excuse that and understand.

You mean the racing public that was told there was going to be a drag strip and 1.07 mile road course asking for their support, only to find out that it wasn't true? That public? Seems like they should have done a little bit more work on the BS presentation...

HCDA: Who did you contact at the Coast Guard Air station?

OMAC: uh no one. We called several times but no one answered the phone.

HCDA: Who did you meet with from the Kalaeloa Community Association about this?

OMAC: uh no one. We don't have to do that.

HCDA: Who did the traffic study for you?

OMAC: uh, we did it ourselves. Me and Chris sat at the side of the road and counted cars.

OMAC: Read the disclaimer! lol

dirt racer

09-04-2008, 06:30 PM

dirt racer

09-04-2008, 06:34 PM

No building permits are applied for, because we're not building anything that needs one. When one is needed, we'll get it. But thanks for your continued concern.

I'm pretty sure you're gonna need permits for catch fencing, asphalt, concrete, electrical, plumbing etc.

You might have a problem trying to insure that big pile of dirt as a racetrack. lol

dirt racer

09-04-2008, 06:41 PM

Jr. Boy: Hey K&K, how much for insure one race track?

K&K: Send us a picture of your facility.

Jr. Boy:
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g14/dirt_racer/dirtpile2.jpg

K&K: Haha funny guy. :D

Humble George

09-04-2008, 08:13 PM

You mean the racing public that was told there was going to be a drag strip and 1.07 mile road course asking for their support, only to find out that it wasn't true? That public? Seems like they should have done a little bit more work on the BS presentation...

HCDA: Who did you contact at the Coast Guard Air station?

OMAC: uh no one. We called several times but no one answered the phone.

HCDA: Who did you meet with from the Kalaeloa Community Association about this?

OMAC: uh no one. We don't have to do that.

HCDA: Who did the traffic study for you?

OMAC: uh, we did it ourselves. Me and Chris sat at the side of the road and counted cars.

OMAC: Read the disclaimer! lol

Les, you're just green with envy because you know deep down inside that the presentation was good. You want to keep up this image because you dont want Frankie Boy to get mad at you.

Humble George

09-04-2008, 08:18 PM

Nope, not jealous of Tracy, Albert or anyone else. I admire people more that keep things quiet until there's something solid to announce. Then you've got the bullshitters...:rolleyes:

Funny one Les, I guess I'm just that special guy in your life that you want to post crap about and continuously slam on the forum. I guess I'm supposed to feel honored? If Albert gets track, I'm sure that the Souzas have their vested interest in it. That's why they aren't talking smack about him. And if Tracy gets the track, you know they'll be there too.

And how do you know that we aren't one of the 5 that put in a bid on HRP? How do you know that we don't already have a site picked out for the other phase of the track project? You just don't know do you Les?????

Humble George

09-04-2008, 08:22 PM

I'm pretty sure you're gonna need permits for catch fencing, asphalt, concrete, electrical, plumbing etc.

You might have a problem trying to insure that big pile of dirt as a racetrack. lol

Silly Les, you just don't know don't you? I hope you don't lose sleep wondering what we're doing? Calling DPP and trying to get information.... I bet they're wondering who the hell you are.

And don't worry about the insurance, I have insurance. Just ask Evelyn, she contacted my insurance company and tried to get them to switch the policy into her name. Not a good move on her part. And only a fool like you would try to insure a big pile of dirt. Not too bright are you?

Humble George

09-04-2008, 08:26 PM

Jr. Boy: Hey K&K, how much for insure one race track?

K&K: Send us a picture of your facility.

Jr. Boy:
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g14/dirt_racer/dirtpile2.jpg

K&K: Haha funny guy. :D

Jr Boy: Hey K&K, give me information on insuring my race track facility.

K&K: Sure, tell me a little about what you have and what your plans are.

Jr Boy: I send that right over.

K&K: By the way, do you know who this Les person is? He keeps calling us and babbling about some dirt pile. I think he's a few cards short of a deck of cards.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

hadenough

09-04-2008, 11:24 PM

Hey Frankie Boy, the only lies that day were the ones you were spreading in the back of the room and outside. Maybe next time you will bring someone to explain what the meeting was about. It's plain to see that you no understand. Must be some kind of mental block, cause all you could do was wave the first layout in the air and say "see see look look, they lie, they lie". I guess you was outside when M. Kane told everyone that the layout was modified in respect of the cultural findings. And you must have been outside when it was mentioned that there were other parcels that we were looking at for the drag strip. And that we also could use what we have to fundraise to help the racers that ship their cars outer island in the meantime. Didn't you hear that, or were you still outside talking shit.

It was unbelievable that through the whole presentation Kitchens said that we were not touching that part of the property (the uncleared side), and yet you and Les still rambled on about it. Maybe we need to fundraise for you and Les to "pay attention".

And remember it's called Save Oahu's Race TrackS LLC, not $ ouza's O val R ace T rack. Why don't you and Les get together and build a bridge and then get over it!!!! But, remember to get a permit first.

still dont know who i am.guess again but if i was frankie boy i would tell you fuck you instead i feel sorry for you. after that azz whipping i heard you guys had yesterday and what the drag strip guys are saying today and btw how much chili tickets we got sell to ship our cars to the big island? oh oh jeanette the word is that you look. like you need some ROGAINE. i guess you are getting up thier in age or maybe this bullshit is stressing you out. have a nice day and dont lose it i mean your cool not your hair.

Humble George

09-05-2008, 01:10 AM

still dont know who i am.guess again but if i was frankie boy i would tell you fuck you instead i feel sorry for you. after that azz whipping i heard you guys had yesterday and what the drag strip guys are saying today and btw how much chili tickets we got sell to ship our cars to the big island? oh oh jeanette the word is that you look. like you need some ROGAINE. i guess you are getting up thier in age or maybe this bullshit is stressing you out. have a nice day and dont lose it i mean your cool not your hair.

Don't feel sorry for me, feel sorry for yourself and your group. You guys are a sorry bunch. Trying to figure out who you're going to screw up next. Crying about how this person did this to you and did that to you. You guys feed off of yourselves. Why don't you do something positive for the racing community. Shut up.

BTW, Jeanette said thanks for the compliment and that you shouldn't wear red. She said that it matches your hair too much. You see, I say you're Frankie and she says that you're someone else. And she said congrats on the surgery, it looks like it worked.

dirt racer

09-05-2008, 10:23 AM

Who the hell said we weren't doing a dragstrip or a roadcourse?

Jeezus.

Ya know, all Les has done is try to shut the efforts down, whether it's P9 or P24...I think he's already notorious for taking things and twisting them like a screw. His entire website is dedicated to misinformation and manipulation...everything he says about P24 is negative, and everything he does is connected with pointing out flaws or making things look like it's the end of the world for the project.

And you believe him?

It's not like I'm making this shiat up...anyone in their right mind that goes to his site can see it for what it is. Anyone that has read this forum section for the past two years knows it. It's one thing to be objective, but when you take every single chance you can to tear something down I think your credibility goes right through the f'ing window.

Anyone can tear something down...anyone can be like Les. If I were you, I'd disavow any connection to Les...that's if you want to be taken seriously.

Were you even at the presentation? Did you hear it...did you see it? It'll be on Olelo, you can judge for yourself. We're trying to get SOMETHING built. And we're trying to work with the right people so that we can continue to expand the facility beyond Phase 1.

That's why it's called PHASE 1.

And yeah, there's a road course, sufficient enough to do W2W, time attack, and whatever...it might be short, but it's still something, and it's got room for expansion. It's also great for drifting, SCCA, and everything else that happened at HRP.

You call us liars, accuses of misleading the public, and then have the nerve to tell us what the hell we're building? You don't know. So how about you do what you said you were gonna do, and let us build the damn thing if we can.

And Les's opinion is crap. He's so blinded by his own personal hate, it's no wonder he wears glasses.

Who said there was no drag strip? You and Chris did in your presentation that's who. You're both a couple of fucking lying sissies. You want to come shake my hand and then talk shit about me on the net.

And yeah, we have it on tape - OLELO. Everyone can see you telling HCDA that your drag strip and road course plans won't fit on the property. Your "final phase" was just a big lie to try and garner up supporters. You should go tell all those supporters the truth, that only a dirt track and go-kart track will fit on the property. Only I don't think anyone in your entire group has the money or brains to even make that happen. We'll see. With regards to trying to stop racing - go read your own negative testimony at City Council. It's still on record. You were the main idiot ballyhooing the "World Class Facility" at Parcel 9 for the past 2 years. Where is it Mike??? The only thing I've said was that it was bullshit. I didn't need to "fight it", because there was nothing there to fight.

Your P24 plans are more bullshit. Now everyone knows you were bullshitting them all along.

dirt racer

09-05-2008, 10:39 AM

No building permits are applied for, because we're not building anything that needs one. When one is needed, we'll get it. But thanks for your continued concern.

If you were an average person (with a brain in your head), I'd think you were pulling my leg. But since you've already brought in that stockpile with out a permit and got busted for it. And since I've already inquired with DPP and they said no permits for building a racetrack have ever been applied for. I know you really are that stupid. The smart thing to do is get the permits before you begin construction, or else I can pretty much guarantee someone will turn you in to DPP (just like they did before), and that will delay the project even longer. In fact, the first thing you should have done after acquiring the lease over a year ago was to apply for ALL the necesarry permits. Akamu told you all this from the get go. It's just that with your criminal mind, you'd rather try and figure out a way to get around the law instead of complying with it. Good luck.

dirt racer

09-05-2008, 11:27 AM

In the past year, all we hear from one side is negative, negative, negative. The other side is trying to do whatever they can and even if it doesn't happen, I give you guys props for trying. Why so much negativity? Let this one side try and if doesn't work out, then others can have your laugh. To me, its like one side is butthurt and just being spiteful like little kids. Just let it go and do your own thing. I don't really expect anything to happen anytime soon if ever, theres always hope, but I'm not going to count on it. I'm glad some people are working on trying to get something though.

Hard to bash someone that's telling the truth. Easy to bash someone that's lying. It made me sick to hear Mike and Chris up there telling of how there wouldn't be a drag strip after they've been promising one for the past 6 months. Then we heard Jr's promise to help pay for shipping to the outer islands for the drag racers (more bullshit). The archaeological discoveries have been known for 6 months. They knew they couldn't build their "final phase" when it was being promoted. They needed support letters from all the different venues to show Micah Kane that Grace had the support of the majority of the racers. Liars.

Another lie in the presentation is to put out the date of Feb 2009 for the start of events. No way in Hell that's gonna happen. We've heard these false promised dates many times before from this group. Why is it so hard for them to tell the truth?

Personally, I couldn't care less whether their track gets built or not.

Humble George

09-05-2008, 11:31 AM

If you were an average person (with a brain in your head), I'd think you were pulling my leg. But since you've already brought in that stockpile with out a permit and got busted for it. And since I've already inquired with DPP and they said no permits for building a racetrack have ever been applied for. I know you really are that stupid. The smart thing to do is get the permits before you begin construction, or else I can pretty much guarantee someone will turn you in to DPP (just like they did before), and that will delay the project even longer. In fact, the first thing you should have done after acquiring the lease over a year ago was to apply for ALL the necesarry permits. Akamu told you all this from the get go. It's just that with your criminal mind, you'd rather try and figure out a way to get around the law instead of complying with it. Good luck.

Like I said banana boy, go and get someone to interpret the meeting for you. You obviously missed the part when Member Souza questioned Jeanette about the permit process and you obviously missed Member Chin nodding in agreement when Jeanette responded to it.

Go and watch the Olelo taping, or better yet, ask Tracy for his copy.

dirt racer

09-05-2008, 11:39 AM

Like I said banana boy, go and get someone to interpret the meeting for you. You obviously missed the part when Member Souza questioned Jeanette about the permit process and you obviously missed Member Chin nodding in agreement when Jeanette responded to it.

Go and watch the Olelo taping, or better yet, ask Tracy for his copy.

No need for me to watch the tape because I was there. Save the interpretation for your retarded followers like Dennis. They will believe whatever you tell them. lol. Go ahead and build the track without permits, then I can say "told you so". My only interest in P24 would be to watch whatever crackhead you put in a bulldozer trying to knock down those bunkers. I'm even willing to pay $10 admission. :D

Hey Dennis you should join this group:

Rallying Every Terrestrial Against Rotational Delay - R.E.T.A.R.D.

Humble George

09-05-2008, 01:54 PM

Go ahead and build the track without permits, then I can say "told you so". :D

Rallying Every Terrestrial Against Rotational Delay - R.E.T.A.R.D.

Hey founder of R.E.T.A.R.D. I guess you cant read either. Never said that we were going to build the track without permits. Said that when it's needed, we will get it.

Now read this slowly over and over, so it can sink in that pea brain of yours.

Dennis, hey man, Les needs your help in interpretation. Make sure you talk slowly for him so he can understand. Sometimes illustrations can help. Nothing too complicated. We don't want him banging his head on the ground.

dirt racer

09-05-2008, 02:04 PM

Hey founder of R.E.T.A.R.D. I guess you cant read either. Never said that we were going to build the track without permits.

Sure did. Read post 13. (I mean have JS3 read it for you)

No building permits are applied for, because we're not building anything that needs one.

dirt racer

09-05-2008, 02:20 PM

Leo, why don't you come to the meetings/presentations yourself, so you can see the plans and ask questions. What you don't know is that there is going to be a drag strip. It's in the plans and although there were modifications that had to be made to the original phases, it's there. Remember, this is not our property and we have to comply with the owners and certain interested parties.

Stay openminded and come to the KNB meeting this month. See for yourself firsthand. Don't rely on misinformation or incomplete information.

Yes, please come drink the Kool-Aid. There will be a drag strip. It's in the plans. That's why Jr is "working to provide lower cost transportation to the outer islands for our displaced drag racers". I guess he doesn't want any drag racers at his drag strip??? :confused:

LJW

09-05-2008, 03:41 PM

Yes, please come drink the Kool-Aid. There will be a drag strip. It's in the plans. That's why Jr is "working to provide lower cost transportation to the outer islands for our displaced drag racers". I guess he doesn't want any drag racers at his drag strip??? :confused:

We dont need Jr. for that; the people at MRP are already doing that for the Oahu drag racers. Plus too, I dont have an appetite for blue Kool-aid.

punishum

09-05-2008, 11:30 PM

Hey Les, not to change the subject, but are you in support of the race track that Tracy is trying to build? Are you going to be one of the sponsers that he's seeking? Heard that he's tired of all the bs thats going around and decided to do it himself.

Maybe he'll let you be his consultant, since you know so much about the process of what it takes to get it done.

I hope you guys won't be jealous and try to be the silent opposition and screw him over too.

Nah, JR. Jus tired of the BS going around now. Jus like the BS that was shoveld by some guy named JOKELAND was doing. :eek: :eek:

Hell, many racers believed the frozen gorilla suit was a real Yetti. Swampland 4 Sale, Dirt Cheap . . . :D :D

You do realize a Grading permit will "NOT" allow you to erect catch fencing or anything else, Right :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

As in baseball, 3 strikes an
UUUuuuuuuurrrrrrr, Outta here, RIGHT :confused: :confused:

4th time for a permit is never a charm, and Just a grading Permit at that. At least you guys sought out the experience from a REAL engineer. Not one jus claiming to Play" one :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

punishum

09-05-2008, 11:35 PM

Jr. Boy: Hey K&K, how much for insure one race track?

K&K: Send us a picture of your facility.

Jr. Boy:
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g14/dirt_racer/dirtpile2.jpg

K&K: Haha funny guy. :D

Hoooooooo, Brah ! ! ! Big Difference you know from 34,588 cubic "FEET" of dirt as compared to 34,588 cubic "YARDS" of dirt :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

The NOV that is now a NOO stated that amount. Brah, that is enough to build "6 dirt ovals :confused: :confused:

punishum

09-05-2008, 11:38 PM

Please pay attention. Al Pacino in Sacrface said, and I quote, "DON'T get HIGH on Your Own Supply ! ! ! ! "

Please heed the warning :D :D

punishum

09-05-2008, 11:40 PM

Ehhh, Jr Boy, you when get da discount coupon for da "Asssfault" already :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Humble George

09-06-2008, 12:04 PM

Big Difference you know from 34,588 cubic "FEET" of dirt as compared to 34,588 cubic "YARDS" of dirt

The NOV that is now a NOO stated that amount.

You do realize a Grading permit will "NOT" allow you to erect catch fencing or anything else, Right

4th time for a permit is never a charm, and Just a grading Permit at that. At least you guys sought out the experience from a REAL engineer.

You know Tracy, after reading your posts, it's crystal clear to see your involvement in calling DPP and others, in your groups attempt to railroad this project.

And let me correct you, it's a stockpiling permit, not a grading permit. Perhaps Inspector Randy Goto can educate you as well when you and your group call him.

Humble George

09-06-2008, 12:06 PM

Ehhh, Jr Boy, you when get da discount coupon for da "Asssfault" already :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Why you looking for a freebie for your upcoming track? Don't worry, I'll put in a good word for you.:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

dirt racer

09-06-2008, 01:40 PM

You need to understand what you are reading. The morale of the story is stop punishing "US RACERS". Let the track be built. Stop ASSuming things. No matter what is said and done the racers are at the losing right now.

My kids have enjoyed the racing just as much as do. I remember when I could not wait to be of age to race. My kids are wondering if they would ever be able to race. Right now they can't even share the dream that I had. What a shame. The racing was always a family event. There is so much for them to learn at the races that would help them be better adults. They just don't have that oppurtunity right now. So when I say for the racers it is all generations.

If its personal fine. Let it be. Just stop punishing the RACERS. If the track can be built, so be it. If it can't, so be it. I just merly said if you are for the racers then think of the racers and let it be.

The racers are at the losing side because they continually put their faith in liars. If ALL the racers, and racing enthusiasts would have supported the many honest efforts to reopen HRP, it would have been reopened already. A facility that has been proven for 42 years. And a facility that would support ALL the venues which P24 can not.

With regards to KRP, first of all, your group seems confused as to whether the project is moving forward or not. First you come out and say how wonderful your presentation was, and how everything was "moving forward". Now all of a sudden a desperate plea that more "support" is needed to move things forward. Which is it?

The fact is that Jr. has been the one allowed to take the lead on P24. You've had the lease for over a year and done nothing other than illegal dumping for personal profit. You were told specifically by DHHL to get ALL the necessary permits at the outset. The leasing of government land is an obvious EIS trigger. All of those things AND the construction of the track could have, and should have been done already. Instead, you've spent the last year and a half trying to get out of following the process for construction. A process that anyone in the business is well aware of. You have made NO progress with building the track. There are others with the knowledge, resources, and experience, that offered to help. But Jr. no like. He gotta be da man. So be da man already, and stop crying about Evelyn beating up on you. She was only doing her job.

Humble George

09-06-2008, 03:11 PM

The racers are at the losing side because they continually put their faith in liars. If ALL the racers, and racing enthusiasts would have supported the many honest efforts to reopen HRP, it would have been reopened already. A facility that has been proven for 42 years. And a facility that would support ALL the venues which P24 can not.
The only losers here are you and your group. The group that claims that they are for the racers and yet continually sneak around making anonymous phone calls and complaints about our efforts to get a race track for the racers. And who are you to say that the racers don't support the reopening of HRP? KRP is a temporary solution to the problem of not having a track to race on. There is still the need for a permanent site, whether it be HRP or KRP or somewhere else.

With regards to KRP, first of all, your group seems confused as to whether the project is moving forward or not. First you come out and say how wonderful your presentation was, and how everything was "moving forward". Now all of a sudden a desperate plea that more "support" is needed to move things forward. Which is it?
Let me clarify this for you....the project is moving forward. The presentation was great, and this track will be built. Is that more motivation for you and your group to call other goverment agencies to try to add more road blocks? The racers and race enthusiasts that support this project is an asset to the project. It helps the public to understand why a race track is needed. For a supposedly smart guy, you're not too bright.

The fact is that Jr. has been the one allowed to take the lead on P24. You've had the lease for over a year and done nothing other than illegal dumping for personal profit. Are you and your group still losing sleep over this? DHHL chose to deal with me and for good reason. Just look at your bunch. As it is now, they are making themselves a nuisance. And yes, you are correct about me having the lease for over a year now, much to your disappointment, we have it for another year and it was stated at the HCDA meeting that they had no problem extending it for future years to come. I would say watch the tape, but you were there.

You were told specifically by DHHL to get ALL the necessary permits at the outset. Like I said, you were not privy to conversations with DHHL and at the meeting, it was already stated at the HCDA what transpired with that. REMEMBER????

The leasing of government land is an obvious EIS trigger.
And what government land are you referring to? The one that is owned by DHHL? The development of this project is so minute that DHHL recognizes that it is not necessary and is not calling for one.

All of those things AND the construction of the track could have, and should have been done already. Instead, you've spent the last year and a half trying to get out of following the process for construction.
You state that the construction of the track should have been done and yet you've spent the past months going on an on about how it's not going to happen. Which is it? You know nothing about the process. We've been working on the process for the past months and have gotten closer to the goal.

There are others with the knowledge, resources, and experience, that offered to help. And we have those with knowledge, resources and experience helping us. Were you referring to yourself? Is that the whole problem? That you are on the wrong side and you desperately want to help with the project?

But Jr. no like. He gotta be da man. So be da man already.
Sorry Les, unlike your little group, there is no one here with that mentality. I am the permit holder and I am the managing member of "Save Oahu's Race Tracks LLC". But I don't see myself as "da man".

and stop crying about Evelyn beating up on you. She was only doing her job.

The problem with Evelyn is that she has a conflict of interest and she's abusing her position on the board. If I was her, I would take a closer look at what she's doing to the racers....NOT ME.

dirt racer

09-06-2008, 03:38 PM

Let me clarify this for you....the project is moving forward.

Sure it is. A year and a half and NO building permits have even been applied for. You should either shit or get off the pot.

The presentation was great,

Yeah, only I think I've seen it before...

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g14/dirt_racer/bullshit-lg.jpg

hadenough

09-06-2008, 03:55 PM

The only losers here are you and your group. The group that claims that they are for the racers and yet continually sneak around making anonymous phone calls and complaints about our efforts to get a race track for the racers. And who are you to say that the racers don't support the reopening of HRP? KRP is a temporary solution to the problem of not having a track to race on. There is still the need for a permanent site, whether it be HRP or KRP or somewhere else.

Let me clarify this for you....the project is moving forward. The presentation was great, and this track will be built. Is that more motivation for you and your group to call other goverment agencies to try to add more road blocks? The racers and race enthusiasts that support this project is an asset to the project. It helps the public to understand why a race track is needed. For a supposedly smart guy, you're not too bright.

Are you and your group still losing sleep over this? DHHL chose to deal with me and for good reason. Just look at your bunch. As it is now, they are making themselves a nuisance. And yes, you are correct about me having the lease for over a year now, much to your disappointment, we have it for another year and it was stated at the HCDA meeting that they had no problem extending it for future years to come. I would say watch the tape, but you were there.

Like I said, you were not privy to conversations with DHHL and at the meeting, it was already stated at the HCDA what transpired with that. REMEMBER????

And what government land are you referring to? The one that is owned by DHHL? The development of this project is so minute that DHHL recognizes that it is not necessary and is not calling for one.

You state that the construction of the track should have been done and yet you've spent the past months going on an on about how it's not going to happen. Which is it? You know nothing about the process. We've been working on the process for the past months and have gotten closer to the goal.

And we have those with knowledge, resources and experience helping us. Were you referring to yourself? Is that the whole problem? That you are on the wrong side and you desperately want to help with the project?

Sorry Les, unlike your little group, there is no one here with that mentality. I am the permit holder and I am the managing member of "Save Oahu's Race Tracks LLC". But I don't see myself as "da man".

Build the track stop the bullshit you said you got all the knowledge resources experience and Mr. Kane on your side so just do it. If you say the other group is holding you back. how ?they dont have your hands tied just move on. get rid of your mental block. Or is it you need the 2 phase so more dirt can be loaded in on the property so the money machine can roll again. Just remember WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND 10 TIMES HARDER. Action speaks louder than words. Pono laki.

Humble George

09-06-2008, 04:22 PM

WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND 10 TIMES HARDER. Action speaks louder than words. Pono laki.

Words for you to live by.

My philosphy is that if you do good for others from the heart, then good will come back three fold.

But, I can't imagine you understanding that.

hadenough

09-06-2008, 04:59 PM

Words for you to live by.

My philosphy is that if you do good for others from the heart, then good will come back three fold.

But, I can't imagine you understanding that.

Dont quote something you dont believe in. And remember the meeting you said my body is the temple and i no FUCKEN lie. You are a HYPOCRITE. Look what you did to people on the way of starting to build the track. As i said you are a HYPOCRITE. REPENT!!!!!!! I know its hard but you can do it george-boy HA HA HA HA .

dirt racer

09-06-2008, 06:53 PM

DHHL chose to deal with me and for good reason.

So you could finish paying for Senate President Colleen Hanabusa's husband's Pueo Trucking Company? Didn't I hear you say in the Feb 8, DHHL meeting that it was Hanabusa that helped you acquire the lease??? That was sure nice of you to purchase her husband's trucking company so you could make money illegally dumping material on public DHHL land. It's great that she and her husband got some of that money too. Nice arrangement. :rolleyes:

dirt racer

09-06-2008, 08:18 PM

Look what you did to people on the way of starting to build the track.

The previous track management at HRP screwed their former partners over. Allowed illegal dumping on the race track property. And had their politician friends on the payroll.

It sure is great to have new management! :rolleyes:

Humble George

09-07-2008, 01:17 AM

The previous track management at HRP screwed their former partners over. Allowed illegal dumping on the race track property. And had their politician friends on the payroll.

It sure is great to have new management! :rolleyes:

Great post Les. You're right about the illegal dumping that the Souza's did. Both Franklin and Evelyn used to brag about allowing the truckers to dump illegally at the track for cash money, when they were managing the oval track. And that's why they are mad. Because I wouldn't allow it at P24.

dirt racer

09-07-2008, 03:05 AM

hadenough

09-07-2008, 09:55 AM

Great post Les. You're right about the illegal dumping that the Souza's did. Both Franklin and Evelyn used to brag about allowing the truckers to dump illegally at the track for cash money, when they were managing the oval track. And that's why they are mad. Because I wouldn't allow it at P24.

The souzas never owned a trucking co.to haul dirt like you people did on p24.And you always say they bragged about it another lie get your lie right.it was other people that ran the operation and you know that. you say you wouldnt allow taking a fee for dumping the dirt on the property p 24 yet you took 25.00 dollars per truck load isnt your statement contradictory. the souzas told you along with other racers it was handled by bob d. albert t. daimen g. know your facts before you talk. i know its hard for you to tell the truth but try it you will like it because every thing that comes out your mouth is crap and we know where that comes from. ha --ha---ha or maybe it should be kaka---- kaka ---kaka.

Humble George

09-07-2008, 11:10 AM

Well I've heard a lot of stories, but I've never heard them bragging about any illegal dumping that they did. I did happen to see the Notice of Violation issued against YOU for illegal dumping though. -> http://racinginhawaii.com/forums/showthread.php?t=223

I'm sure that they wouldn't want to brag about that to you. Especially when it was your group that started the anonymous complaint about the dirt stockpile.

And of course you just "happened" to see the NOV. You guys were the ones that called in the anonymous complaints and are the ones that have been calling DPP on a regular basis. You know them on a first name basis. Probably have them on speed dial.:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Humble George

09-07-2008, 11:20 AM

The souzas never owned a trucking co.to haul dirt like you people did on p24 You're right about that. They were the ones that showed the truckers where to dump and collected the money.

you say you wouldnt allow taking a fee for dumping the dirt on the property p 24 yet you took 25.00 dollars per truck load isnt your statement contradictory I didn't collect a fee for the delivery of the dirt. It was a donation from the truckers for the race track that was given.

the souzas told you along with other racers it was handled by bob d. albert t. daimen g.
So, now you want to blame these guys for your get rich scheme about allowing the truckers to use the race track as an illegal dumpsite and yet collect the MONEY for it? Come on Frankie boy, it was you that wanted to show the EPA where this was buried and that was buried when MO had to do the cleanup. Don't try to blame this on the others.

And hey Frankie boy, should you even be talking about this? And on a Sunday too?:eek:

TooDeep

09-07-2008, 12:45 PM

I'm sure that they wouldn't want to brag about that to you. Especially when it was your group that started the anonymous complaint about the dirt stockpile.

And of course you just "happened" to see the NOV. You guys were the ones that called in the anonymous complaints and are the ones that have been calling DPP on a regular basis. You know them on a first name basis. Probably have them on speed dial.:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Eh dumass, was your friend from big island, da guy tommy went turn you in. He did that after you went lie to him about the permits. Hes one good brudah I went party with him long time ago. Dat guy no scared tell you how it is.

hadenough

09-07-2008, 01:18 PM

You're right about that. They were the ones that showed the truckers where to dump and collected the money.

I didn't collect a fee for the delivery of the dirt. It was a donation from the truckers for the race track that was given.

So, now you want to blame these guys for your get rich scheme about allowing the truckers to use the race track as an illegal dumpsite and yet collect the MONEY for it? Come on Frankie boy, it was you that wanted to show the EPA where this was buried and that was buried when MO had to do the cleanup. Don't try to blame this on the others.

And hey Frankie boy, should you even be talking about this? And on a Sunday too?:eek:

CRAP STILL COMING FROM YOUR MOUTH

Humble George

09-07-2008, 01:41 PM

CRAP STILL COMING FROM YOUR MOUTH

I think I touched a nerve.

Humble George

09-07-2008, 01:46 PM

Eh dumass, was your friend from big island, da guy tommy went turn you in. He did that after you went lie to him about the permits. Hes one good brudah I went party with him long time ago. Dat guy no scared tell you how it is.

Spoken from a guy that has zero intelligence. You don't know Tommy as good as you think.

dirt racer

09-07-2008, 02:10 PM

And of course you just "happened" to see the NOV. You guys were the ones that called in the anonymous complaints and are the ones that have been calling DPP on a regular basis. You know them on a first name basis. Probably have them on speed dial.:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Anyone can see the NOV, it's a matter of public record. No one in SORT called in any anonymous complaint. It would appear that there are many people on this island and others that you have pissed off. You should really quit trying to be "King George III".

As far as calling DPP goes, no one would have to do that if truthful information was being put forth by your side. You've posted many times that the permit applications were "in", which was found out to be false. And there have been NO "attempts" to actually acquire permits for building a track. I guess you're really only interested in running a stockpiling operation for profit as "hadenough" suggests.

It's amazing that there's a handful of people in the known universe dumb enough to still think you're building a track.

"You can fool some of the people, all of the time". :confused:

Humble George

09-07-2008, 03:19 PM

Anyone can see the NOV, it's a matter of public record. No one in SORT called in any anonymous complaint. It would appear that there are many people on this island and others that you have pissed off. You should really quit trying to be "King George III".

As far as calling DPP goes, no one would have to do that if truthful information was being put forth by your side. You've posted many times that the permit applications were "in", which was found out to be false. And there have been NO "attempts" to actually acquire permits for building a track. I guess you're really only interested in running a stockpiling operation for profit as "hadenough" suggests.

It's amazing that there's a handful of people in the known universe dumb enough to still think you're building a track.

"You can fool some of the people, all of the time". :confused:

I can see that you and Frankie boy feed off of each other. It doesn't matter what we put forth to the public because it's fools like you that take the information and twist it into something else.

So why don't you crawl back under your rock and just wait until the track is built. Get a big one so hadenough can join you.

dirt racer

09-07-2008, 03:21 PM

Hey Frankie Boy, the only lies that day were the ones you were spreading in the back of the room and outside. Maybe next time you will bring someone to explain what the meeting was about. It's plain to see that you no understand. Must be some kind of mental block, cause all you could do was wave the first layout in the air and say "see see look look, they lie, they lie". I guess you was outside when M. Kane told everyone that the layout was modified in respect of the cultural findings. And you must have been outside when it was mentioned that there were other parcels that we were looking at for the drag strip. And that we also could use what we have to fundraise to help the racers that ship their cars outer island in the meantime. Didn't you hear that, or were you still outside talking shit.

It was unbelievable that through the whole presentation Kitchens said that we were not touching that part of the property (the uncleared side), and yet you and Les still rambled on about it. Maybe we need to fundraise for you and Les to "pay attention".

And remember it's called Save Oahu's Race TrackS LLC, not $ ouza's O val R ace T rack. Why don't you and Les get together and build a bridge and then get over it!!!! But, remember to get a permit first.

Pretty unbelievable indeed. In fact, most if not all of what Kitchens says IS unbelievable. So now lets see, the "final phase" is only a dream. So you come up with another layout 2 days after the meeting that still covers over 1/2 of the uncleared side of the property. But, but, but Georgie Boy, I thought Kitchens just said you weren't going to touch that side??? I guess he wasn't paying attention eh?

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g14/dirt_racer/temp%20site/phase2small.jpg
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Humble George

09-07-2008, 03:29 PM

KRP Phase 2

Phase 2 is the second phase to be constructed and is entirely dependant on our progress with Phase 1. The primary goal of Phase 2 is to provide additional support for 1/8th mile drag racing and to further expand the road course to a much larger and free flowing design. During this phase, the stock/dirt track will be relocated with respect to existing archaelogical and historical concerns. This can only occur with the clearance of the Kapolei Hawaiian Civic Club (KHCC), the State Historical Preservation Department, the Department of Hawaiian Homelands under the advice of trained archaeologists. We will work closely with concerned local agencies, including the KHCC, to ensure protection of existing and newly found cultural sites. Our intent is keep clear of the archaeological sites in the reports as well as those recently identified to us by the KHCC It is our hope that we can work together to offer greater protection for these concerns while providing an expanded venue that will support the remainder of the events that occured at the former Hawaii Raceway Park.

If necessary, we will move the project to other land, which we are already in pursuit of, but our hope is to keep all of the parts of the facility together in one location. We have already completed a walkthrough with the KHCC, and will continue to support the concerns of the responsible agencies involved.

The only major construction will be the asphalt and dirt racing surfaces. All buildings and facilities will be portable.

Phase 2 Details:Tracks: 1/4th mile dirt oval, 1/8th Mile Drag Strip, Track Layout (max .07 mile course), 550x250ft. asphalt pad, R/C Track.
Expected Completion Date: Dependant on completion of Phase 1 and coordination with local agencies and civic clubs.
Supported Motorsports: Dirt, Drag, Drift, Go-Kart, Moto, R/C, and Road Racing. Additonal specialty events may be supported.
On-Site: Racing School, Basic Public Facilities

Post the whole thing Les. Stick to the facts not your figment of your imagination.:( :( :(

dirt racer

09-07-2008, 03:37 PM

Our intent is keep clear of the archaeological sites

The whole lower (uncleared) half of the lot is covered with archaeological sites:

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g14/dirt_racer/archaeologicalsites1.jpg

You can't build there, so you should quit trying to bullshit the racing community. They know you're full of shit already anyway! :eek:

LJW

09-07-2008, 06:51 PM

Well, I think by the time we get to race somewhere, we all gonna be bald!

Humble George

09-07-2008, 08:08 PM

Well, I think by the time we get to race somewhere, we all gonna be bald!

Why, hasn't your group gotten a piece of property too? That's what Les said. Not to forget Tracey and Albert.

dirt racer

09-07-2008, 08:54 PM

Why, hasn't your group gotten a piece of property too?

The State does have other land. The response is "you guys already have a place for all the racers - P24". That's the main reason P24 should not be misrepresented as being able to support all venues when it can't. By making that claim, the County and State have an excuse to do nothing about a race track. You are doing more harm to the racing community than helping it.

You should have kept the focus on just building a dirt track there. It could have been done already.

LJW

09-07-2008, 10:28 PM

Why, hasn't your group gotten a piece of property too? That's what Les said. Not to forget Tracey and Albert.

Personally, I dont care listening to rumors, plus me, my brother and our friends are having fun racing in Maui. When I'm standing in line to get into a race track on this island, then I believe there will be one. Other than that, its all rumor and hogwash.

Humble George

09-08-2008, 12:00 AM

Humble George

09-08-2008, 12:12 AM

CRAP STILL COMING FROM YOUR MOUTH

Hey, what happened Frankie Boy, is that all you can say. Been waiting all day for a better response. What, cat got your tongue?

I'm not the only one that knows that you contaminated the place over the years. Everybody's telling me that you shouldn't be pointing fingers. You guys dug holes and piled rubbish over rubbish. You collected the cash and you guys have some nerve to day that you've got to respect the land.

And you talk about loyalty and friendship. What a joke, where's your loyalty and friendship? You collect the money for the illegal dumping and then blame Albert T and others about it. Some friend you are. But why should I be surprised? You did it to me.

hadenough

09-08-2008, 08:05 AM

Hey, what happened Frankie Boy, is that all you can say. Been waiting all day for a better response. What, cat got your tongue?

I'm not the only one that knows that you contaminated the place over the years. Everybody's telling me that you shouldn't be pointing fingers. You guys dug holes and piled rubbish over rubbish. You collected the cash and you guys have some nerve to day that you've got to respect the land.

And you talk about loyalty and friendship. What a joke, where's your loyalty and friendship? You collect the money for the illegal dumping and then blame Albert T and others about it. Some friend you are. But why should I be surprised? You did it to me.

Never had time to respond i was at sunset in the park with frankieboy leo ron
and other true friends and noticed no paradiseluas crappers. Fcuk politics is shitty you see what you do to the racers when you support a canidate other than mufi he must have found out about your dum meeting. payback is going to be a bitch dum azz. and you know nothing about the happenings 20 years ago. as i said state facts not second hand crap. andbytheway you did hit a nerve had a hard on all day yesterday and finally found cured when i saw you on a olelo segment and wahla cured! talk about frienship and loyalty look at what you did to the souzas. you fous say you do stuff from the heart don't get a heart attack.

LJW

09-08-2008, 08:08 AM

LJW

09-08-2008, 08:16 AM

And another thing, you should learn how to respect your elders. It may be fun and games for you, just imagine the shoe on the other foot and if you would like it if someone dissed your parents.

hadenough

09-08-2008, 08:57 AM

Well, I think by the time we get to race somewhere, we all gonna be bald!

some of us are bald now!!!!! i wonder who?????

dirt racer

09-08-2008, 09:38 AM

Unlike your group, I stick to my promises. And I promised long ago that I would do my best to accomodate all venues. And so far I'm sticking to it.

Only you and the small group of people don't think so. But, if you can show me proof that the city and state are not supporting anyone else trying to get land for a race track, and that I am standing in the way, I would gladly step aside. Put your actions where your mouth is.

Promises? I thought you promised the track would be done in August? Or was it Feb? Or was it Christmas 2007 with a $10,000 purse? You mean those empty promises?

You want proof of what you've done, just take a look at what happened to HB567 and SB2190. Your friend Senate President Colleen Hanabusa let those bills die. I guess you all needed P24 to illegally dump material with Pueo Trucking Company ??? Wasn't that her husband's company ???

The only reason you have all the venues represented is to try and get all the racers to send in support letters for YOU! Even though you KNOW all the venues won't fit on 20 acres of land.

From www.kalaeloaracewaypark.com

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dirt racer

09-08-2008, 09:51 AM

Hey Jr. Boy - no take short cuts! :eek:

nowdays there is ALOT of environmental concerns. its different than it was in the mid 90's. for example, there was no penalties for stockpiling without a permit... now there is. clean air, water, noise... blah blah blah... environment.

along with the requirements for a grubbing and grading permit, the clean water act requires them to get a permit from the dept. of health... though this recreational facility is temporary they still needed to have an environmental assessment done (which the DLNR did)...

i've been doing some reading and "segmentation" is against the law under HEPA... which is commonly referred to as Hawaii Revised Statutes Chapter 343. if you are trying to build something, don't take short cuts because it only sets yourself to be challanged.

its never just ONE person who makes all the fuss, if you are interested to see what kind of opposition these things go through.. run a search for Chapter 343. you'll see the Sierra Club and what they are bringing up with the Super Ferry issue.

these laws are there to protect public welfare, health and safety... that's you and me.

Humble George

09-08-2008, 12:43 PM

And another thing, you should learn how to respect your elders. It may be fun and games for you, just imagine the shoe on the other foot and if you would like it if someone dissed your parents.

My parents taught me to respect everyone. But when you challenge me you just become another competitor.

If you can't run with the tough dogs, stay on the porch and yelp.

Humble George

09-08-2008, 01:10 PM

noticed no paradiseluas crappers Our toilets has nothing to do with politics. Customers sometime substitute affordability for quality. But you wouldn't know about that. That would be a business decision and you know nothing about business.

you know nothing about the happenings 20 years ago. What happened there 20 years ago was told to me by Frankie boy and a whole lot of other people. So don't try to hide it. You know what you did there and profited from it. So stop denying it.

What I'm doing on P24 is totally different. We brought the dirt is to make a DIRT TRACK. Didn't have a problem until you people started complaining. Didn't need a permit til the complaints came in and then I was asked to get a permit. Didn't charge a dump fee and instead donated to the track for other materials and necessities needed. Took the responsibility for everything and still moving forward. Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that the dirt is NOT contaminated.

The difference is you guys dug holes in the ground at the old track, dumped demo'd houses, construction debris, electrical transformers, light poles, tires, batteries and who knows what else. All for cash profit. You guys did all this, go to church on Sunday and call me a no good liar? Because I got to keep pushing my completion date back on building a race track for the greater good of the community, including yourselves. You people need to act your age. And set an example for the younguns that you're supposed to be mentoring.

had a hard on all day You probably took the wrong medication after I reminded you guys of your wrongdoings at the old track. You probably reached for the asprin and grabbed the viagra instead.

frienship and loyalty look at what you did to the souzas

I did nothing to the Souza's. My focus was always for the racers. If the Souza's have a problem with this and want to continue this as a personal issue, that is their problem. What they need to realize is that this personal vendetta of theirs is only getting in the way. They need to grow up and move on.

Humble George

09-08-2008, 01:17 PM

let the Souzas run with P24 for now
If I let the Souzas take over, they're going to turn it into a rubbish dump. And besides, they're the ones that's against the whole thing and say that it can't be built there, because of the ancient burial sites, plants, traffic, etc. And God forbid if there was a fire there that may have came from a projectile.

Geez, give me a break. We're trying to build this with great respect for the Hawaiian community, the ancient Hawaiian burial sites, the native hawaiian plants, the neighboring communities and anyone else with great concern.

The only people complaining is your small group.

Humble George

09-08-2008, 01:20 PM

some of us are bald now!!!!! i wonder who?????

If you're talking about me, yes my hairline is receding and if you look real good, I have alot of white hair too. But it's not from worring, it runs in the family.

But if you take notice, alot of up-front businessman all have slightly white or white hair. It's the ones that DYE their hair that have something to hide. You're not going to catch me running to Longs to buy hair dye.

Humble George

09-08-2008, 01:33 PM

Promises? I thought you promised the track would be done in August? Or was it Feb? Or was it Christmas 2007 with a $10,000 purse? You mean those empty promises?
The promises are still on. The completion is being pushed back by you and your group and you know that. That's why you keep on whining about it. If you took out all the complaints that you guys made, we would have had a track already. We would be looking to do a second phase. But instead it's your mission to keep putting obstacles out there to keep the completion date from happening sooner. Hope you're having fun.

just take a look at what happened to HB567 and SB2190
You need to ask Frankie boy about that. He blamed you for that. But then again that's questionable. He likes to play the blame game. But it probably was you and your groups childish and unknowing behavior and misrepresenting the racers in an unprofessional way that got it killed.

The only reason you have all the venues represented is to try and get all the racers to send in support letters for YOU! Even though you KNOW all the venues won't fit on 20 acres of land.
Come on Les, you sat in on the same meeting as us. Where we all agreed to work together and provide for all venues. So you have to tell the whole story. Just don't say part of it like you always post. Half-ASS. That we would provide for all venues. And if more land was needed, we would seek more. It is clear that more land is needed. And land is already being appropriated. And we are still providing for all venues, so what's wrong with saying that?

Humble George

09-08-2008, 01:45 PM

Hey Jr. Boy - no take short cuts! :eek:

No one is trying to take short cuts. It was stated at the HCDA meeting. You were there, Tracy has it on tape and you say that Olelo will show it on TV.

1. Contractor went to get the permits, DPP questioned them why they were trying to get one because DHHL was sovereign and didn't need to get it.

2. DHHL submitted a letter to DPP requesting whether they were required to go through the permitting process. DPP had 20 days to answer the letter or no permits would be necessary. 20 days had lapsed and no response received from DPP, and was given the OK to proceed with the dirt.

3. Anonymous complaints came in to DHHL and DPP. DHHL had requested us to go ahead with the permit process.

4. Hired an engineer to put together the plans for the stockpiling permit for the permit application.

5. Addressed the concerns of HCDA and provided them with the presentation.

6. Scheduled on the agenda for the Kapolei Neighborhood Board meeting this month.

I do not see where anyone can say that we were taking any shortcuts here. If we did, we would have been racing already. Just the continued delays caused by the opposition.

dirt racer

09-08-2008, 01:57 PM

The promises are still on. The completion is being pushed back by you and your group and you know that. That's why you keep on whining about it. If you took out all the complaints that you guys made, we would have had a track already. We would be looking to do a second phase. But instead it's your mission to keep putting obstacles out there to keep the completion date from happening sooner. Hope you're having fun.

The promises have all been broken. News flash - those dates have already come and gone. Just like that current bullshit date of Feb 2009 will come and go. And the complaint was from your disgruntled employee. Not from SORT. But for the record, if you would have acquired the proper permits in the first place (as DHHL told you to do), there would have been nothing to complain about.

You need to ask Frankie boy about that. He blamed you for that. But then again that's questionable. He likes to play the blame game. But it probably was you and your groups childish and unknowing behavior and misrepresenting the racers in an unprofessional way that got it killed.Well, I guess I could have killed the bills if I was Senate President like your friend Colleen Hanabusa. But guess what, I don't work in the government. As far as childish behavior goes, try watching yourself on Olelo arguing with the Kapolei Neighborhood Board, or yelling at the City Council on TV. Brilliant! :eek:

And land is already being appropriated. And we are still providing for all venues, so what's wrong with saying that?Oh really, which land is being appropriated? You wouldn't be talking out of your ass again would you?

hadenough

09-08-2008, 02:03 PM

Our toilets has nothing to do with politics. Customers sometime substitute affordability for quality. But you wouldn't know about that. That would be a business decision and you know nothing about business.

What happened there 20 years ago was told to me by Frankie boy and a whole lot of other people. So don't try to hide it. You know what you did there and profited from it. So stop denying it.

What I'm doing on P24 is totally different. We brought the dirt is to make a DIRT TRACK. Didn't have a problem until you people started complaining. Didn't need a permit til the complaints came in and then I was asked to get a permit. Didn't charge a dump fee and instead donated to the track for other materials and necessities needed. Took the responsibility for everything and still moving forward. Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that the dirt is NOT contaminated.

The difference is you guys dug holes in the ground at the old track, dumped demo'd houses, construction debris, electrical transformers, light poles, tires, batteries and who knows what else. All for cash profit. You guys did all this, go to church on Sunday and call me a no good liar? Because I got to keep pushing my completion date back on building a race track for the greater good of the community, including yourselves. You people need to act your age. And set an example for the younguns that you're supposed to be mentoring.

You probably took the wrong medication after I reminded you guys of your wrongdoings at the old track. You probably reached for the asprin and grabbed the viagra instead.

I did nothing to the Souza's. My focus was always for the racers. If the Souza's have a problem with this and want to continue this as a personal issue, that is their problem. What they need to realize is that this personal vendetta of theirs is only getting in the way. They need to grow up and move on.

you are still talking crap talk facts or dont respone. again all you got is hearsay and more crap. the souzas should grow up?thier twice your age and have twice the wisdom and knowledge and experience of running a race track than you ...build the track and stop blaming frankie-boy les leo evelyn and the other sort (non profit) group. you dont have a full report on the dirt only a cert. plus the dirt came from more than one site fact. where is the money collected oh oh i stand corrected you will kept it for the frist race . 50 000 th. dollars . another bullshit again talk about the furture not the past and .facts lets see if mufi will sub any more crappers from the quality people.

dirt racer

09-08-2008, 02:07 PM

No one is trying to take short cuts. It was stated at the HCDA meeting. You were there, Tracy has it on tape and you say that Olelo will show it on TV.

1. Contractor went to get the permits, DPP questioned them why they were trying to get one because DHHL was sovereign and didn't need to get it.

2. DHHL submitted a letter to DPP requesting whether they were required to go through the permitting process. DPP had 20 days to answer the letter or no permits would be necessary. 20 days had lapsed and no response received from DPP, and was given the OK to proceed with the dirt.

3. Anonymous complaints came in to DHHL and DPP. DHHL had requested us to go ahead with the permit process.

4. Hired an engineer to put together the plans for the stockpiling permit for the permit application.

5. Addressed the concerns of HCDA and provided them with the presentation.

6. Scheduled on the agenda for the Kapolei Neighborhood Board meeting this month.

I do not see where anyone can say that we were taking any shortcuts here. If we did, we would have been racing already. Just the continued delays caused by the opposition.

DPP never said you didn't need permits. The law is quite clear and anyone in the construction business would KNOW you needed permits. You succeeded in tricking DHHL to let you proceed without permits. Let's see you post up the proof of DPP ever saying that? Got a letter? Got a name and contact number?

Why the Hell would DPP issue a violation if there were no permits required? As usual, you're not making any sense.

Permits should have been applied for when the lease was first negotiated last spring (2007). DHHL told you all to make sure and get the permits. You chose to try and figure out a way to get around them instead. Final permit approval should not take more than a year after the application.

It's been over a year since the lease was signed and you idiots still haven't applied for the permits yet! :eek:

hadenough

09-08-2008, 02:11 PM

hadenough

09-08-2008, 02:26 PM

My parents taught me to respect everyone. But when you challenge me you just become another competitor.

If you can't run with the tough dogs, stay on the porch and yelp.

ruff ruff. hey the last time you had competition you guys went burn 46 toilets and 4 trucks and got a federal indictment for it. so much for the challenge. thats heavy duty shit hope the toilets was clean. and the quote goes like this, if you can't run with the big dogs stay off the porch.

dirt racer

09-08-2008, 03:26 PM

LJW

09-08-2008, 03:37 PM

If you're talking about me, yes my hairline is receding and if you look real good, I have alot of white hair too. But it's not from worring, it runs in the family.

But if you take notice, alot of up-front businessman all have slightly white or white hair. It's the ones that DYE their hair that have something to hide. You're not going to catch me running to Longs to buy hair dye.
Of course we'll never catch you running to Longs; you only shop K-Mart.
Plus too, you guys get plenty blue dye. Dye your hair blue then.

dirt racer

09-08-2008, 09:41 PM

ah leo I think you have your facts twisted! it was the Sousa's that actually got the info to kill the bill for p-9. remember they was the ones that went to the big island and found out what jerry chang was doing. but I cant just blame them ( like how your doing to jr ) because most of us dirt racers was trying to get it shut down. all because M O wouldn't say in public that there was no dirt track in his plan. if he did then we would have left it alone, and concentrate on just building a dirt track. now since p-24 is the only one that looks promising we need to stop this shit and help out how ever we can! keep crying about everything that jr does ain't gonna get us any closer to racing! if you guys got something going on with another project, then thats great! I'm happy about that. I would love to be able to race on more then one track! we could race on one, one week and race on another the next. but if we all keep stopping the progress of the other, then nothing will ever be built! haven't we learned this yet!!

You better check your facts. Hanabusa killed the House version. She would have killed the Senate version in conference if it made it that far. Chang offered his property he said "just to see if DHHL was serious about the deal". DHHL didn't want the deal. They inherited it from the previous admin. Kane is not interested in selling or trading land. He only wants to lease it. So even if the tax credit bill passed, there would still be no race track at P9. And yes Kitchens did come out and promise there would be a dirt track when he got worried that the bills would be killed. Kitchens will basically say anything (makes a good partner for Jr. Boy). Although I doubt the FAA would have allowed a race track next to an active airport anyway. No one had gotten the proper FAA approvals according to the airport director.

With regards to P24, no one is stopping you. DHHL has said you don't need to do the EIS. All you have to do is obtain the proper permits. If you spent as much time applying for the proper permits as you do with your BS meetings, and bullshitting on the internet, you might have them already. :rolleyes:

Humble George

09-08-2008, 10:59 PM

You better check your facts. Hanabusa killed the House version. She would have killed the Senate version in conference if it made it that far. Chang offered his property he said "just to see if DHHL was serious about the deal". DHHL didn't want the deal. They inherited it from the previous admin. Kane is not interested in selling or trading land. He only wants to lease it. So even if the tax credit bill passed, there would still be no race track at P9. And yes Kitchens did come out and promise there would be a dirt track when he got worried that the bills would be killed. Kitchens will basically say anything (makes a good partner for Jr. Boy). Although I doubt the FAA would have allowed a race track next to an active airport anyway. No one had gotten the proper FAA approvals according to the airport director.

With regards to P24, no one is stopping you. DHHL has said you don't need to do the EIS. All you have to do is obtain the proper permits. If you spent as much time applying for the proper permits as you do with your BS meetings, and bullshitting on the internet, you might have them already. :rolleyes:

Les, you were in the same meeting with the Souza's & Tracy, where Micah said that P9 is available to anyone that has the funds for purchase.

As for the rest of your post....Your point is?????

You need to review your tape of the HCDA meeting.

Humble George

09-08-2008, 11:04 PM

ruff ruff. hey the last time you had competition you guys went burn 46 toilets and 4 trucks and got a federal indictment for it. so much for the challenge. thats heavy duty shit hope the toilets was clean. and the quote goes like this, if you can't run with the big dogs stay off the porch.

Hey Frankie boy, I responded to that already. And I know how the quote goes, if you can't run with the big dogs stay on the porch. But I had to change it because the big dogs were running around in circles smelling their own ass. So, I had to change it to "if you can't run with the tough dogs, stay on the porch".

dirt racer

09-09-2008, 10:47 AM

Les, you were in the same meeting with the Souza's & Tracy, where Micah said that P9 is available to anyone that has the funds for purchase.

As for the rest of your post....Your point is?????

You need to review your tape of the HCDA meeting.

Actually what Micah said was that there was NO DEAL for Parcel 9. Kitchens asked him about the Waikane Valley property exchange and Micah said the Department was NOT interested.

And FYI, DHHL land cannot be sold by the Department. They can exchange land, but NOT sell it.

I know you've changed your tune on Parcel 9 to try and rally up P9 supporters for your P24 effort, but I doubt you'll get much support from them. Good luck anyway.

The point to my posts as always is to counter the bullshit. Lots of bullshit out there nowadays. :rolleyes:

P.S. Get off the damn computer and go apply for the permits!

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g14/dirt_racer/permits.jpg

Humble George

09-09-2008, 11:33 AM

Actually what Micah said was that there was NO DEAL for Parcel 9. Kitchens asked him about the Waikane Valley property exchange and Micah said the Department was NOT interested.

And FYI, DHHL land cannot be sold by the Department. They can exchange land, but NOT sell it.

I know you've changed your tune on Parcel 9 to try and rally up P9 supporters for your P24 effort, but I doubt you'll get much support from them. Good luck anyway.

The point to my posts as always is to counter the bullshit. Lots of bullshit out there nowadays. :rolleyes:

P.S. Get off the damn computer and go apply for the permits!

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g14/dirt_racer/permits.jpg

Les, you are so full of SHIT! You sat right there in the same meeting and heard the same thing I heard. The land is for sale to anyone that can afford it. It is priced at prime commercial value or equal land swap. They are not interested in the Waihole property.

You sat there and heard it with your own ears. So, cut the crap.

Have you spoken to Randy today? Looking at your post, I guess not. You had better call him and get your daily update.

dirt racer

09-09-2008, 11:50 AM

Les, you are so full of SHIT! You sat right there in the same meeting and heard the same thing I heard. The land is for sale to anyone that can afford it. It is priced at prime commercial value or equal land swap. They are not interested in the Waihole property.

You sat there and heard it with your own ears. So, cut the crap.

Have you spoken to Randy today? Looking at your post, I guess not. You had better call him and get your daily update.

No need to call, anyone can check online. No permits have been applied for. Quit trying to bullshit everyone. DHHL never said their land was for sale. Wouldn't be legal. Ask Mikey, he tried.

I do recall YOU stating that asphalt would be down on P24 in 6 months (meaning July 2008). Only I don't see any new asphalt at P24. So I guess you're the one that's full of shit? :rolleyes:

dirt racer

09-09-2008, 11:53 AM

So, you think the permit is that easy? Just walk in their office and say "hey I want to apply for a stockpiling permit, where are the forms and what window do I pay at?" Sorry, Leo but it's not done that way. FYI, it is a lengthy process that includes an engineer that has alot of plans that has to be submitted to DPP for prior approval before the application can go in. You even have to have the approval of the State. With all of the other permits waiting in line to be reviewed, we're just another one on the pile.

So, unless you know what you're talking about, all your negative flap is not doing any good.

So I guess the holdup is really the permitting process, and the fact that your group doesn't really know WTF you're doing?

Great. You should stop blaming the Souzas for your lack of progress.

dirt racer

09-09-2008, 11:56 AM

You know, it's hard for Leo and his group to understand. Their thought process is limited. But thanks for your support and understanding of the project. I know that there are more of you out there.

Yep, plenty of different screen names, but still the same poster.

Jeanette has a lot of computers she can use. :D

dirt racer

09-09-2008, 12:04 PM

You hold it against Jr. like he's the cause or the hold up, yet when your "mentors" were in charge, there wasn't anything done better...so what's your point? They didn't even have a design, unless you call that hand-drawn outline a proper construction design. It's not the back and forth on the forums that's making it difficult (this forum bs is useless)...it's the constant attacks and attempts to delay the project from your "buddies" that's making an impact (although a minor one, at this point).

Just to get ONE permit done, we have to walk it through umpteen different agencies. And sometimes even more agencies are added by request of the agencies we're dealing with. Why else do most big construction projects take YEARS before they're even started. Chris and I have been working on this thing for only a few months, and I think we've all made alot of progress together with Jr. It's not tangible, because you can't see it and hold it in your hands.

As a united team, we've completed fully blue-printed initial designs (which is no f'ing joke), the project plan and timeline, a website, the presentation, done walkthroughs with local agencies and organization, hired and contracted the engineer and construction company to do the work, and have worked hard to push the permits through due process. All within the timespan of only a few short months (we started earnestly in April). I mean, c'mon, do you think you could do it any faster?

The Souzas were never "in charge". Jr Boy took the lead on the project from day 1.

And Albert's drawing makes a lot more sense than yours. And our group never went around lying to the various racing groups claiming to be able to put a drag strip and road course on the property when we knew it wouldn't fit (like you did).

And again, sounds like the holdup is really just the permitting process. So quit trying to blame someone else's "opposition" for the lack of YOUR progress. Perhaps if Jr. Boy would have started the proper process in April 2007, instead of waiting until April 2008, the track would be done already. :rolleyes:

dirt racer

09-09-2008, 12:19 PM

I/We know its not easy and we know its not quick; so why do you guys always set dates of track openings?

Because they're a bunch of fricken bullshitters. :rolleyes:

dirt racer

09-09-2008, 03:53 PM

Fred, yes. Stockpiling permit is being walked through. We've got to deal with a few new things that were suggested by the inspector, but they're minor issues.

Translation = the 4th try for a stockpiling permit application was rejected. How much you paying Kim & Shiroma anyway???

In addition to the stockpiling and grading permits, make sure you get a demolition permit to knock down the bunkers, and a building permit to put up the catch fencing around the circle track. And another building permit to lay asphalt (I guess you can wait on the last one because Jr. doesn't have money for asphalt anyway).

You see, we're not trying to stop it. We're helping! :D

Paradise Racer

09-09-2008, 09:50 PM

You are one REALLLLLY confused guy Les. I swear, if I had a penny for everytime you repeat yourself about dates, permits, bullshitting, King George, lies, I would really need to get a really big piggy bank.

I think that you really just want to hear your own self, cause frankly, this is getting a bit tiresome. You're wasting good energy on petty stuff. You should think of more constructive ways of spending your time.

Seriously Les, I just finished reading your last posts and it's like you're making it your daily goal to bash bash bash..... I think everyone knows where you're coming from. Don't you think that you're being a bit EXCESSIVE?

DON'T WORRY LES, THE TRACK WILL BE BUILT AND WITH WHATEVER IS NEEDED.

You can get off your soapbox and stop preaching. This can't be very healthy for you. You seriously need to get a life. Step away from the computer and look around you. There is life out there...;)

LJW

09-09-2008, 10:52 PM

dirt racer

09-10-2008, 10:30 AM

hey Mike, even if the land owner says no need an EA... i would do it anyway. if they can't afford to hire an outside source, then they can't build a track cuz that is peanuts as compared to the construction costs.

is that a marina being built at the end of the road near the beach? of my searches for information, it looks like circle tracks are being attacked for the noise levels and impacts to the environment. the military has cabins at white plains... for the brass.

some people like to take chances, i personally am not that way because if you hit a wall or have to do something you thought you didn't need... it will create more delays.

do it right the first time and there will be no mistakes. first no need permits, then need permits. then need an EA, but now no need EA... i think the landlord don't know wtf he's talking about. what do you think?

sincerely,
Uranus

Good points Dave. And also, if they don't do the EA they are opening up themselves to any community group filing suit to require one. I'm sure any judge would side with the community in requiring an EA. The Sand Island Track people did an EA, so did the State when it purchased HRP. So there is a precedent there. Also, since the permits applications are not even in yet, it's probably going to take a year to get those anyway. Plenty of time to do the EA now. Better to do it now, than wait and have the project shut down.

See we're helping a lot! :D

dirt racer

09-10-2008, 09:59 PM

It was unbelievable that through the whole presentation Kitchens said that we were not touching that part of the property (the uncleared side), and yet you and Les still rambled on about it.

Yep, that's what he said then. This is what he says now...

"Just because there's sites on there doesn't mean that they're significant."

You guys are really good liars. ;)

LJW

09-10-2008, 10:42 PM

Yep, that's what he said then. This is what he says now...

You guys are really good liars. ;)

Hopefully soon, we'll see Mike's second shot at acting; I heard he's retiring after this flic (I would)

dirt racer

09-10-2008, 11:29 PM

we need a "walmart" type business to build something substantial

Good idea Bill. I'll call the store managers tomorrow. lol

Dirt Devil

09-11-2008, 01:05 PM

Finally somebody is looking out for racers. Good for you Jr. Boy

So when we expected to hit the dirt again? You guys get one exact date? Can't wait.

And No PooHuhu on da man cause I no see noone else doing anything other than jus Making Pelekia for all the racers.

Good Job for OMAC and Kitchens them guys for taking Bull by da horns BUT I no envy all the BS you gotta wade thru. Right on Popcorn

punishum

09-11-2008, 03:44 PM

Well Mr. Devil, Uhmmm you should have been at their meeting and all.

Mr. Kane said in his own words, There will be "NO" phase 2 without authorization from the Department "OR" the commission. And Out of Messer's own mouth "There is not enough room to accommodate a drag strip." But they ( Kitchens and Messer ) both said Phase 2 WOULD be POSSIBLE "IF" they get the blessings from the Hawaiian groups. Which Mr. Kitchens has already done insulted their intelligence by saying one thing to their faces and another to the racers. But Mr. Kane said "NO future development Mauka or Makai of the "PRESENTLY" graded areas. So as Uncle Frankiln said, They "LYING" to one of you all. Actually, to "EVERYBODY". Just like Jokelands tactics. Depending on whose audience you have will depend on which story will unfold. You have learned well oh young Padowins. But the FORCE is not with you.

Oh yeah and Jr. . . . thank you for correcting me that it is a "STOCKPILING" permit. Didn't you guys even get that rejected recently for . . . Hmmm . . . isn't that the . . . . 4th time? Why you wasting everyones time again? So don't you go spreading dirt around cause then that constitutes "GRADING". You don't want to go about breaking any more "LAWS". Seen you have already broken enough already.

Don't worry, we will have "ALL" of the video for Y'all up shortly. Closed captioning for those that "CAN READ" as well.

And OH, Mrs. Vowell, the Graces and Souzas had nothing to do with the track closing. Your boy JOKELAND, that was all HIM. Sold Y'all out, just like Judas did.

Have a GRAT Day now, YOU Hear" :D :D