Rally "X" Hawaii

[punishum]

Aloha Avid Racers,

I had become privy to a rumor that has been circulating that I, Tracy Arakaki of Punish'UM Motorsports or any of my entities is quote a,"Part OF" in promoting or involved with the proposed "Rally X Hawaii" event(s) at the proposed Kalaeloa Raceway Park at the Department of Hawaiian Homelands property known as Parcel 24.

I do wish the group and their efforts much success and if invited we will show up to cover the event(s) with our cameras for stories on Punish'UM Motorsports.

I am in no way shape or form directly or indirectly involved in any aspect of the planning, promoting, execution, advising, public relations, creating, construction, etc. of this proposed series known as "Rally X Hawaii" or the venue "Kalaeloa Raceway" Park at Parcel 24.

Mahalo,
Tracy Arakaki
Executive Producer
http://punishum.com

[Mud Packer]

Why is OMAC announcing events when they don't even have any construction started or any of the required permits?

[punishum]

Now, now, Mudd. We need to give them the benefit of the doubt as Mr. Kitchens has posted on many other sites that they have been diligently working very hard on this project and event series.

I wish them the best of luck and much success with their endeavors. As I know from personal experience that there is no getting around things like adequate insurance and now in this case permits. After all the is land owned by an entity of the "State of Hawaii".

And hey, quite a few people are believing that this is going to happen and I know that they "DO NOT" want to let anyone down.

[Mud Packer]

And hey, quite a few people are believing that this is going to happen and I know that they "DO NOT" want to let anyone down.

Quite a few people were believing Parcel 9 was going to happen too. And the P24 drag strip, and the P24 circle track, and the P24 drift track. None of that happened either. I guess OMAC doesn't have a very good track record with their track announcements now do they?

[Sprint]

when the circle track going be done? i heard febuary 09

[Mud Packer]

when the circle track going be done? i heard febuary 09

Here's a news flash for ya - it is Feb 09. I guess you heard wrong.

[dirt racer]

Looks like the Circle Track and Drift Course,

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g14/dirt_racer/krp3d1.jpg

have been replaced with a Rally Course:
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g14/dirt_racer/p24background.jpg

Here's their website: http://www.rallyxhawaii.com/venue.html

[Dirt Devil]

You mean to tell me NO going get one F'n Dirt Track :mad: :mad: :mad:

I was at those meetings and we were promised was going get one. And they wonder why they Get Dirty Lickins or in this case, brah No keep telling me and everybody else tall tales already.

Them Fahkahs more shibai then da kine them guys was. I no can believe this already.

So wat? I gotta go get one different kine dirt car now for go racing. One Subaru or some Tinker Toy kine ornamental car. To much already, Somebody going need to get one crack medivac.

[Mud Packer]

Rallycross? That looks fckn retarded.

[dirt racer]

Rallycross? That looks fckn retarded.

Hahaha yeah, maybe YOU should try it! :eek: :D

[LJW]

RallyX? What next? I got it; we should play smear the queer.

[dirt racer]

RallyX? What next? I got it; we should play smear the queer.

There you go. Mr. K gets the football first. :rolleyes:

[punishum]

Shouldn't we wait and give them space as well as benefit of the doubt?

I know how it feels when people start bashing you for no reason at all. Many a SHIT Talkers from people who NEVER Raced in their LIFE or ever PROMOTED Squat and Never MET me. Or SACRIFICED Anything all in the name of I WANNA RACE

Isn't the law in this country "Innocent until PROVEN Guilty?"

[dirt racer]

Would be fun to watch :eek: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkgV2f00IE8

[punishum]

that was a cool video. but i hope nobody crashes like that. good for spectators but not the venue.

[dirt racer]

How about some jump contests? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDi0MZJZ-w0&feature=related

[LJW]

Are there any tree's at P24? I know there's bunkers.

[Mud Packer]

I hope Jr boy don't pull those trees out without getting the permits first. Don't want another permit violation and all. Did he even take care of the last violation yet?

[PiTytheFooL]

eh uncle frank why u makin truble we saw u yestaday. me and my frenz was helpin at da track and we saw u by da gate. we seen u pass pleny. put it to ress u tryin to ruin it for evrybody. not goin work brah u only makin urself look stupid. grow up brah. look at lest tracy tryin for help.

[hadenough]

eh uncle frank why u makin truble we saw u yestaday. me and my frenz was helpin at da track and we saw u by da gate. we seen u pass pleny. put it to ress u tryin to ruin it for evrybody. not goin work brah u only makin urself look stupid. grow up brah. look at lest tracy tryin for help.

Hey Jeanette

What happened to the circle track you promised the racers would be done in Feb? I hope you told all the racers that supported you at the meetings that they not getting a track now. Gonna be rally-x instead.

[punishum]

Woooo Nelly, How did I get dragged into this? As I stated I am "NOT" helping in ANY WAY Shape or form. Leave me outta this one.

SHUuuuuNnn, the NON-Believers, SHUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUuuuuuuuuuuuuuNNNNnnnnnnn :p :p

But SERIOUSLY hey, Has Anyone seen the map I lost? It is supposed to have the directions to Candy Mountain (http://www.filmcow.com/charlietheunicorn.html). :D :D

Oh Help Us Landru :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[dirt racer]

I hope Jr boy don't pull those trees out without getting the permits first.

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g14/dirt_racer/AZQuarter2-70.jpg

[punishum]

Don't want another permit violation and all.

What's that ? ? ?

[LJW]

So according to Mike K., RallyX is only temporary until the circle track gets built (wink,wink) So the dirt racers aren't really getting screwed then (wink,wink) So I guess that Erika person is on borrowed time? I hope not (wink,wink).

[dirt racer]

So I guess that Erika person is on borrowed time? I hope not (wink,wink).

Throw her under the bus! :eek: ;) ;)

[hadenough]

So according to Mike K., RallyX is only temporary until the circle track gets built (wink,wink) So the dirt racers aren't really getting screwed then (wink,wink) So I guess that Erika person is on borrowed time? I hope not (wink,wink).

Mike is full of BS they said at the meetings the circle track and drift track phase 1 was gonna be done in Feb 09. nothing is done not even started. now get more BS about rally-x.

Rally x not gonna happen either you watch. OMAC and jr. is just BSing all the racers.

[punishum]

A holy man was having a conversation with the Lord one day and said, 'Lord, I would like to know what Heaven and Hell are like.'

The Lord led the holy man to two doors.

He opened one of the doors and the holy man looked in. In the middle of the room was a large round table. In the middle of the table was a large pot of stew, which smelled delicious and made the holy man's mouth water.

The people sitting around the table were thin and sickly. They appeared to be famished. They were holding spoons with very long handles, that were strapped to their arms and each found it possible to reach into the pot of stew and take a spoonful. But because the handle was longer than their arms, they could not get the spoons back into their mouths.

The holy man shuddered at the sight of their misery and suffering.

The Lord said, 'You have seen Hell.'

They went to the next room and opened the door. It was exactly the same as the first one. There was the large round table with the large pot of stew which made the holy man's mouth water. The people were equipped with the same long-handled spoons, but here the people were well nourished and plump, laughing and talking.

The holy man said, 'I don't understand.'

It is simple said the Lord,"It requires but ONE skill. You see they have learned to Feed EACH OTHER, while the greedy think only of themselves.'

__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________


This is a GREAT Example of why the world is so messed up. Liberal or Conservative, OMAC or SORT as an instance, that is why we have no RACETRACK ( AS well as a LOT of OTHER Things ). The AMA crab syndrome. Everybody wants to be "CHIEF"( Especially the ones who don't have a CLUE nor realize the TREMENDOUS RESPONSIBILITY That comes with being a TRUE Leader. And LYING is not the answer. You know who you are. ) but no one wants to be the Indians as well.

The REALLY Sad Part is that when someone does prove to be a leader, The rest of the PACK tries to MESS With UM.

You know who you are and I do to.

But there is Always a FINE Line between Jealousy and (OR) Stupidity.

But when the Smoke clears and the Dust settles, Only the STRONG "AND" Intelligent ALWAYS Survive.

NOT The Deceitful, Lying Con-Artists, Never HAVE, NEVER Will.

As ALL of the JOKERS who caused This and OTHER Problems to begin with are all but FADED AWAY and it is the
NEXT EVOLUTIONs turn to make it better or make everyone wish for the BAD Old Days. WORD

[LJW]

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[SM2-MSM]

Interesting, I've done a few, and I'd gladly go beat a cheap car into the ground for this. Anything is better than nothing, though I wish the dirt track and/or drag strip would get built first. How long is that lease good for?

[dirt racer]

Interesting, I've done a few, and I'd gladly go beat a cheap car into the ground for this. Anything is better than nothing, though I wish the dirt track and/or drag strip would get built first. How long is that lease good for?

I think Rally-X would be a good fit for the property. But I would agree with Mud that the approvals and insurance should have been lined up first before making any announcements. The land owner has said they want the permits (which are still pending) acquired before there is any racing on the property. Event insurance might also be hard to get or too expensive.

AFAIK, the lease runs until June. But it probably can be renewed on an annual basis.

[LJW]

AFAIK, the lease runs until June. But it probably can be renewed on an annual basis.

I think more like on an ANAL basis.

[punishum]

I would like to thank Jeanette and JR for asking me to meet with them today in regards to the P 24 / Rally X Hawaii clean-up this weekend, 02/21 and 22, 2009. Also in attendance to my very surprise Mr. Michael Kitchens.

The nature of this meeting was at the request of Jeanette to sit with JR as I had requested to cover the upcoming P 24 clean up scheduled for this weekend. I wanted to have a follow up story in regards to the progress on P 24.

I will restate, I am NOT involved in anyway shape or form with this project or event(s).

I applaud the effort and I wish OMAC and the Graces the Best and Good Luck.

[punishum]

Congratulations to the KRP group on their clean-up day. They should be up and having rally racing here in Hawaii any day now. Rally racing will be a first for our state.

Soon the asphalt should be in as well so others can start racing again.

Great J-O-B and Good Luck ;) ;)

[Mud Packer]

Congratulations to the KRP group on their clean-up day. They should be up and having rally racing here in Hawaii any day now. Rally racing will be a first for our state.

Soon the asphalt should be in as well so others can start racing again.

Great J-O-B and Good Luck ;) ;)

I see you've been talking to Jr. :eek:

The truth is, there won't be any rally racing at KRP on March 1 or ever. That was all just another one of OMAC's made up stories.

[punishum]

I see you've been talking to Jr. :eek:

The truth is, there won't be any rally racing at KRP on March 1 or ever. That was all just another one of OMAC's made up stories.

"In the End, COWARDS are those who follow the DARK Side." Master Yoda

[LJW]

"In the End, COWARDS are those who follow the DARK Side." Master Yoda

Star Wars?

[PiTytheFooL]

I see you've been talking to Jr. :eek:

The truth is, there won't be any rally racing at KRP on March 1 or ever. That was all just another one of OMAC's made up stories.

eh mud sounds like u been hangin wit da ur uncl frank to much. u startin to sound like him. stoopid. dat guy to old already. only good for grumbl and be crybaby. he not doin nothin to help da racers.

i stay on maui and my frenz all know bout him to. shame.

[PiTytheFooL]

Congratulations to the KRP group on their clean-up day. They should be up and having rally racing here in Hawaii any day now. Rally racing will be a first for our state.

Soon the asphalt should be in as well so others can start racing again.

Great J-O-B and Good Luck ;) ;)

so what tracy i thought u wuz wit da other guys. sounds like u for da racers now. whats up wit dat?

[sortfsessouza]

eh mud sounds like u been hangin wit da ur uncl frank to much. u startin to sound like him. stoopid. dat guy to old already. only good for grumbl and be crybaby. he not doin nothin to help da racers.

i stay on maui and my frenz all know bout him to. shame.

First and foremost JEANETTE...you should grow up and be big enough to call Franklin "stoopid" or cry baby to his face....or mine. You saw us just last
night and what....no comment. You being in Maui is so lame, too. And please don't go through the motions of denying who PitytheFool is. Or is it Neutrel, allfordirt, fullashit and the other bogus names you told me about and the multiple computers you had to barrage OMAC with...back in the day....Remember? Simply, go build the damn track...at this point ANY track if that is really is what Humble George, you and JS3 is setting out to do. It has never been about the track has it? We'll see, won't we? But get your permits first and get your act together. Stop lying to the racers about start dates and about us being the people stopping your "efforts" to build it. The fact is you are incompetent and simple minded when it comes to racing....that's why you surround yourselves with others that do. Who's doing all the "leg work" for this newest undertaking? You? Jr? Of course not! The crapper business ...well, you're head and shoulders above the rest of us in experience there...hands down! But, you two butt heads have said for months now, in minutes at meetings, in public, in presentations before boards, on line and everywhere else that Humble George and you had the permits, or "were about it get the permits" or was "48 hours away from getting the permits"...or whatever excuse you'd come up with. But there was always the "excuse". The fact is YOU and YOUR husband are the biggest liars I've ever met and have crushed the hopes of many racers with your alliance to those that could care less about RACING. I held on to my pride and said nothing through all the months of BS and blatant lies you and JS3 had to say about Franklin and me, our religion, intelligence, our racing experiences and our hanai kids...I thought that was a new low for you guys. But just when I think that, HUMBLE GEORGE (and you...because we know he can't write) have topped youselves when Jr and you come up with one of the LOWEST moves yet. Writing a formal letter to the STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL to get me fired from my position on the Authority (because you guys couldn't stand the heat at the HCDA presentation) is the ultimate. Calling me a thief, unprofessional and unethical; my husband "stoopid", a cry baby, liar and an "old man" is not helping your cause. There are many of us "old" people that have racing in our veins and will race again someday). But now, Missy and Mr. Jr you've drawn the proverbial "line in the sand". You two jokers drew it and now I will concede no more. Concede? Look it up, smart lady. I'll tell you this....DO NOT mistake meekness for weakness or silence for stupidity. Look up the word "liable" (or ask JS3) and chew on it for a while. All those racers that have hoped for racing will soon know the outcome to the promises you made. Build the track and actually have the races begin...but keep your comments about my husband and me off the internet. In the end you will sow what you reaped. Good luck and have a great life, you, your husband and the extended family.

[Mud Packer]

eh mud sounds like u been hangin wit da ur uncl frank to much. u startin to sound like him. stoopid. dat guy to old already. only good for grumbl and be crybaby. he not doin nothin to help da racers.

i stay on maui and my frenz all know bout him to. shame.

Aeh baldy you know uncle and i are good friends and we all know he's old and we'll all get their one day. So what's your excuse. And talking about crybaby You and G-Boy was the biggest CRYBABY in the Mini-class. And talk about "Stoopid" you and G-Boy-you people just screwed the Dirt Racers who surported S.O.R.T. for years and now you people are having Rally Racing. You talk about Shame. You and George should look at each other and you will see what Stoopid And Shame look like!!!!!!

[punishum]

so what tracy i thought u wuz wit da other guys. sounds like u for da racers now. whats up wit dat?

As being the "ONLY" Hawaii Motorsports media on Hawaii's Number "1" TV Station and website my J-O-B is to promote Hawaii motorsports and keep it positive.

I am on no ones side other than keeping Hawaii motorsports on the forefront of a state that only understands "Stick -N- Ball" Games.

[Paradise Racer]

First and foremost JEANETTE...you should grow up and be big enough to call Franklin "stoopid" or cry baby to his face....or mine. You saw us just last
night and what....no comment. You being in Maui is so lame, too. And please don't go through the motions of denying who PitytheFool is. Or is it Neutrel, allfordirt, fullashit and the other bogus names you told me about and the multiple computers you had to barrage OMAC with...back in the day....Remember? Simply, go build the damn track...at this point ANY track if that is really is what Humble George, you and JS3 is setting out to do. It has never been about the track has it? We'll see, won't we? But get your permits first and get your act together. Stop lying to the racers about start dates and about us being the people stopping your "efforts" to build it. The fact is you are incompetent and simple minded when it comes to racing....that's why you surround yourselves with others that do. Who's doing all the "leg work" for this newest undertaking? You? Jr? Of course not! The crapper business ...well, you're head and shoulders above the rest of us in experience there...hands down! But, you two butt heads have said for months now, in minutes at meetings, in public, in presentations before boards, on line and everywhere else that Humble George and you had the permits, or "were about it get the permits" or was "48 hours away from getting the permits"...or whatever excuse you'd come up with. But there was always the "excuse". The fact is YOU and YOUR husband are the biggest liars I've ever met and have crushed the hopes of many racers with your alliance to those that could care less about RACING. I held on to my pride and said nothing through all the months of BS and blatant lies you and JS3 had to say about Franklin and me, our religion, intelligence, our racing experiences and our hanai kids...I thought that was a new low for you guys. But just when I think that, HUMBLE GEORGE (and you...because we know he can't write) have topped youselves when Jr and you come up with one of the LOWEST moves yet. Writing a formal letter to the STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL to get me fired from my position on the Authority (because you guys couldn't stand the heat at the HCDA presentation) is the ultimate. Calling me a thief, unprofessional and unethical; my husband "stoopid", a cry baby, liar and an "old man" is not helping your cause. There are many of us "old" people that have racing in our veins and will race again someday). But now, Missy and Mr. Jr you've drawn the proverbial "line in the sand". You two jokers drew it and now I will concede no more. Concede? Look it up, smart lady. I'll tell you this....DO NOT mistake meekness for weakness or silence for stupidity. Look up the word "liable" (or ask JS3) and chew on it for a while. All those racers that have hoped for racing will soon know the outcome to the promises you made. Build the track and actually have the races begin...but keep your comments about my husband and me off the internet. In the end you will sow what you reaped. Good luck and have a great life, you, your husband and the extended family.


You know Evelyn, I have had the deepest respect for you and Franklin at one time. I really admired you two and what you've accomplished in your lives. Whether is was business, education, racing and family life. I used to look back (and this was just recently) thinking about the good times we all had and thinking that it was too bad that things ended up the way it did. I actually believed that you and Franklin had your hearts in racing and the racers at heart. Maybe I was wrong. Maybe it wasn't about the racers or the race track. Could it have been all about the all mighty dollar? I don't really think so, but then, that could be just wishful thinking. Was it about greed and power? I sure hope not.... You see, after all that was done last year, I was hoping that you two would understand that it's all about building the track for the racing community and the race enthusiasts.

Through time, I have grown to see what you guys were trying to do. Sometimes it's hard to realize that the people that you thought were your friends, the ones that you trusted, the ones that you had continuous faith in, the ones that you would not think would turn on you, could end up stabbing you in the back. The people that turned on us, showing a side that was not expected.

The truth in the matter was that you two were looking to make a profit. And you know what, when the track was up and running and generating its own income, sustaining itself, that was the time that you would get a return for your investment. But to try to get money before the ball was actually rolling, was WRONG!!!! With all the so-called experience you two had, years ago when you were running the stock car track, you should have known that there would be a lot of expenses coming our way to get this track built. So, with that said, I can understand why Jr. got upset when Franklin told him that you guys wanted to get money. The money would have eventually came when the track was open and running.

You are such a hypocrite....you tell everyone that you are for the racers and want this track built and yet you and your husband did whatever you could do to and are still doing to prevent it from happening. Did you not think that we all would find out who was behind everything? You put the bug in someone's ear with twist on the story and get them all riled up and start complaining to DHHL, HCDA, KNB, ENB, City, State, Federal, etc.... Don't try to deny it either. You see, when we talk to those concerned and enlighten them on what's really happening, it was plain as daylight to see how they were mislead. Hmmmm.....

Now, for your information....WE did write a letter to the AG's office. That letter was sent to them right after that little episode you pulled at the HCDA meeting at Kapolei. YOU have a DEFINITE "CONFLICT OF INTEREST!!!!" Everyone knew it!!!! So, if your job was threatened, then that was your own doing, not ours!!! You were out-of-line and should have recused yourself from that meeting. But "NO"....you couldn't resist making attacks towards us and what we were doing. Like I said a "CONFLICT OF INTEREST!!!"

And let me tell you something....I am NOT "PITY THE FOOL" and if I have something to say, I'll post it under myself "PARADISE RACER!!!" Unlike yourselves that have to use LJW, hadenough, mudpacker and some "SORTOFSOUZA". Stop blaming me for all the posters that are tired of your BS and move on.

I have not stated anything here that is not true. And if I have anything else to say to you....BELIEVE ME....I will!!!!

[Mud Packer]

You know Evelyn, I have had the deepest respect for you and Franklin at one time. I really admired you two and what you've accomplished in your lives. Whether is was business, education, racing and family life. I used to look back (and this was just recently) thinking about the good times we all had and thinking that it was too bad that things ended up the way it did. I actually believed that you and Franklin had your hearts in racing and the racers at heart. Maybe I was wrong. Maybe it wasn't about the racers or the race track. Could it have been all about the all mighty dollar? I don't really think so, but then, that could be just wishful thinking. Was it about greed and power? I sure hope not.... You see, after all that was done last year, I was hoping that you two would understand that it's all about building the track for the racing community and the race enthusiasts.

Through time, I have grown to see what you guys were trying to do. Sometimes it's hard to realize that the people that you thought were your friends, the ones that you trusted, the ones that you had continuous faith in, the ones that you would not think would turn on you, could end up stabbing you in the back. The people that turned on us, showing a side that was not expected.

The truth in the matter was that you two were looking to make a profit. And you know what, when the track was up and running and generating its own income, sustaining itself, that was the time that you would get a return for your investment. But to try to get money before the ball was actually rolling, was WRONG!!!! With all the so-called experience you two had, years ago when you were running the stock car track, you should have known that there would be a lot of expenses coming our way to get this track built. So, with that said, I can understand why Jr. got upset when Franklin told him that you guys wanted to get money. The money would have eventually came when the track was open and running.

You are such a hypocrite....you tell everyone that you are for the racers and want this track built and yet you and your husband did whatever you could do to and are still doing to prevent it from happening. Did you not think that we all would find out who was behind everything? You put the bug in someone's ear with twist on the story and get them all riled up and start complaining to DHHL, HCDA, KNB, ENB, City, State, Federal, etc.... Don't try to deny it either. You see, when we talk to those concerned and enlighten them on what's really happening, it was plain as daylight to see how they were mislead. Hmmmm.....

Now, for your information....WE did write a letter to the AG's office. That letter was sent to them right after that little episode you pulled at the HCDA meeting at Kapolei. YOU have a DEFINITE "CONFLICT OF INTEREST!!!!" Everyone knew it!!!! So, if your job was threatened, then that was your own doing, not ours!!! You were out-of-line and should have recused yourself from that meeting. But "NO"....you couldn't resist making attacks towards us and what we were doing. Like I said a "CONFLICT OF INTEREST!!!"

And let me tell you something....I am NOT "PITY THE FOOL" and if I have something to say, I'll post it under myself "PARADISE RACER!!!" Unlike yourselves that have to use LJW, hadenough, mudpacker and some "SORTOFSOUZA". Stop blaming me for all the posters that are tired of your BS and move on.

I have not stated anything here that is not true. And if I have anything else to say to you....BELIEVE ME....I will

I PITY YOU FOOLS!!!!!! BUILD THE TRACK!!!!!!

[LJW]

You know Evelyn, I have had the deepest respect for you and Franklin at one time. I really admired you two and what you've accomplished in your lives. Whether is was business, education, racing and family life. I used to look back (and this was just recently) thinking about the good times we all had and thinking that it was too bad that things ended up the way it did. I actually believed that you and Franklin had your hearts in racing and the racers at heart. Maybe I was wrong. Maybe it wasn't about the racers or the race track. Could it have been all about the all mighty dollar? I don't really think so, but then, that could be just wishful thinking. Was it about greed and power? I sure hope not.... You see, after all that was done last year, I was hoping that you two would understand that it's all about building the track for the racing community and the race enthusiasts.

Through time, I have grown to see what you guys were trying to do. Sometimes it's hard to realize that the people that you thought were your friends, the ones that you trusted, the ones that you had continuous faith in, the ones that you would not think would turn on you, could end up stabbing you in the back. The people that turned on us, showing a side that was not expected.

The truth in the matter was that you two were looking to make a profit. And you know what, when the track was up and running and generating its own income, sustaining itself, that was the time that you would get a return for your investment. But to try to get money before the ball was actually rolling, was WRONG!!!! With all the so-called experience you two had, years ago when you were running the stock car track, you should have known that there would be a lot of expenses coming our way to get this track built. So, with that said, I can understand why Jr. got upset when Franklin told him that you guys wanted to get money. The money would have eventually came when the track was open and running.

You are such a hypocrite....you tell everyone that you are for the racers and want this track built and yet you and your husband did whatever you could do to and are still doing to prevent it from happening. Did you not think that we all would find out who was behind everything? You put the bug in someone's ear with twist on the story and get them all riled up and start complaining to DHHL, HCDA, KNB, ENB, City, State, Federal, etc.... Don't try to deny it either. You see, when we talk to those concerned and enlighten them on what's really happening, it was plain as daylight to see how they were mislead. Hmmmm.....

Now, for your information....WE did write a letter to the AG's office. That letter was sent to them right after that little episode you pulled at the HCDA meeting at Kapolei. YOU have a DEFINITE "CONFLICT OF INTEREST!!!!" Everyone knew it!!!! So, if your job was threatened, then that was your own doing, not ours!!! You were out-of-line and should have recused yourself from that meeting. But "NO"....you couldn't resist making attacks towards us and what we were doing. Like I said a "CONFLICT OF INTEREST!!!"

And let me tell you something....I am NOT "PITY THE FOOL" and if I have something to say, I'll post it under myself "PARADISE RACER!!!" Unlike yourselves that have to use LJW, hadenough, mudpacker and some "SORTOFSOUZA". Stop blaming me for all the posters that are tired of your BS and move on.

I have not stated anything here that is not true. And if I have anything else to say to you....BELIEVE ME....I will!!!!

Jeanette, why dont you tell everybody how with Franklin and Evelyn's name on the lease; 1) You locked them out of the property 2) You start your own company- SORT LLC and 3) Prior to signing the lease (as a point of contact), you guys were having back door meetings with DHHL. Now the question I ask you, are the SOUZA's still on the lease?

[LJW]

"Just want to update this, we are currently looking at a mid to late April first event date. Think of this as more time to prep your ride"; Hey Erika, just think of it as more time for the Graces to get the proper permits, instead of just doing what they want with the property (which is against the Law). If not, its just another stall for the people who worked hard cleaning up the place and the people who want to race.

[Paradise Racer]

Jeanette, why dont you tell everybody how with Franklin and Evelyn's name on the lease; 1) You locked them out of the property 2) You start your own company- SORT LLC and 3) Prior to signing the lease (as a point of contact), you guys were having back door meetings with DHHL. Now the question I ask you, are the SOUZA's still on the lease?

I think that you should ask the Souza's that question. She has a copy of the lease and when you read the first page, it will show you why they are not on the lease and why there is no signature required by them.

They were locked out of the gate as they did not have a key.

Save Oahu's Race Tracks LLC is a company that was created when it was revealed that it wasn't.

The meetings we had with DHHL was not backdoored.

And lastly, the Souza's are not on the lease. The lease is under Save Oahu's Race Tracks, a Hawaii limited liability company.

[Paradise Racer]

"Just want to update this, we are currently looking at a mid to late April first event date. Think of this as more time to prep your ride"; Hey Erika, just think of it as more time for the Graces to get the proper permits, instead of just doing what they want with the property (which is against the Law). If not, its just another stall for the people who worked hard cleaning up the place and the people who want to race.

Hey Erika...don't bother listening to this fool. It's just another ploy to try to discourage the racers, while hiding behind a screen-name.

As Tracy said, he's heading towards the darkside.

[LJW]

Hey Erika...don't bother listening to this fool. It's just another ploy to try to discourage the racers, while hiding behind a screen-name.

As Tracy said, he's heading towards the darkside.

Hahaha! Hiding behind a screen name? What do you think LJW stands for? I'm not discouraging the racers, I'm telling the truth. Why are the dates keep changing? Do you have the PROPER PERMITS? What, you think someone gives you some rope, you're gonna have a rodeo? The Governor can't even do anything she wants without permission; give us a break!

[Mud Packer]

I think that you should ask the Souza's that question. She has a copy of the lease and when you read the first page, it will show you why they are not on the lease and why there is no signature required by them.

They were locked out of the gate as they did not have a key.

Save Oahu's Race Tracks LLC is a company that was created when it was revealed that it wasn't.

The meetings we had with DHHL was not backdoored.

And lastly, the Souza's are not on the lease. The lease is under Save Oahu's Race Tracks, a Hawaii limited liability company.

I ask the souza's about the lease and they have not seen the lease as of today and have no copy. And about the key they said they did have a key until you people changed the lock.And now this is where the scam comes in. George and you new the lease was not a LLC lease but it should have read a non-profit lease and no LLC was fromed til Mar. 21 2008.

[LJW]

I ask the souza's about the lease and they have not seen the lease as of today and have no copy. And about the key they said they did have a key until you people changed the lock.And now this is where the scam comes in. George and you new the lease was not a LLC lease but it should have read a non-profit lease and no LLC was fromed til Mar. 21 2008.

WOW! They were on the lease and dont have a COPY of the lease? Now if nothing wrong was done on your part, then why dont the Souza's have a copy of the lease? They have been paying rent on the lease (they showed me the return checks) and dont have a copy of it? And THEY want money? And then you have them served with No Trespassing warnings? A blind person can see right through you guys.

[Paradise Racer]

I ask the souza's about the lease and they have not seen the lease as of today and have no copy. And about the key they said they did have a key until you people changed the lock.And now this is where the scam comes in. George and you new the lease was not a LLC lease but it should have read a non-profit lease and no LLC was fromed til Mar. 21 2008.

Look....I see no reason to go back a revisit what was already said previously. You can go back and read all the posts. The lease is as what it always was. The Souzas can go back to DHHL and get another copy of they lost the one that they already had.

No key, because they had no reason to have a key. They are not the leaseholder. They chose not to be a part of Save Oahu's Race Tracks LLC.

[Paradise Racer]

WOW! They were on the lease and dont have a COPY of the lease? Now if nothing wrong was done on your part, then why dont the Souza's have a copy of the lease? They have been paying rent on the lease (they showed me the return checks) and dont have a copy of it? And THEY want money? And then you have them served with No Trespassing warnings? A blind person can see right through you guys.

Never on the lease....Probably lost the copy of the lease that they went and got from DHHL....Paid rent with the money that they collected from Grucci, that wasn't even their tenant....AND THE WANT MONEY AGAIN!!!!

No Trespassing warnings are for those that don't belong on the property or have no business being on the property, without prior permission.

So, you and your group can start all this again, but the truth of the matter will not change.

Did something happen at the DHHL Commissions meeting last week? Is that why all the rukus???????:confused: :confused: :confused:

[LJW]

Yah, so how come the RallyX not happening tomorrow as planned? Now the date is moved to mid to late April? This is the ruckus! Why dont you just tell everybody that racing is never going to happen at P24 and that you guys are looking at another parcel for racing purposes.

[Paradise Racer]

Yah, so how come the RallyX not happening tomorrow as planned? Now the date is moved to mid to late April? This is the ruckus! Why dont you just tell everybody that racing is never going to happen at P24 and that you guys are looking at another parcel for racing purposes.

Your problem is that you are not of the priviliged are in the know. Those that matter, know that there's a lot going on and that RallyX is going to happen. You, however, is on the need to know basis and you don't need to know.

BTW, would you like some grey poupon with that crow you're going to eat?

[Mud Packer]

Never on the lease....Probably lost the copy of the lease that they went and got from DHHL....Paid rent with the money that they collected from Grucci, that wasn't even their tenant....AND THE WANT MONEY AGAIN!!!!

Again? just had dinner with the souzas. If they paid the rent with Grucci money like you guys planned. what's the problem? they paid the bills for the land, then who's tenant was Grucci? so you admit they paid to keep sort on the property. that was good right? rent was paid from the beginning 07 and jr didnt make his llc till march 08 and dhhl let him be responsible in april 08. all they want the money they want back is the security deposit that came out of the souzas pocket because you didnt want to pay. seen the checks/deposit slips for that too. looks like you guys just screwed them over.

Did something happen at the DHHL Commissions meeting last week? Is that why all the rukus???????:confused: :confused: :confused:

WHAT RUKUS? all I heard was that dhhl's deputy attorney general said that they should sue you two liars for the security deposit. oh and linda chin said that jr wrote her a letter saying he'd pay back the $5000.00. is that true? or is that another bull shit lie and a lame attempt to impress?

[dirt racer]

Since January this year, OMAC has been announcing Rally-X racing at Parcel 24 which was supposed to start-up in February.
It appears that the racing community has again been deceived.

According to the DHHL Director, the department has not authorized, and will not allow any Rally-X racing at P24. This was stated in a public meeting last week Feb 24. Also, there has been a directive in place since 4/15/2008 that bars any racing activity on the property until the proper permits have been acquired. To date, there are STILL no permits in place for that parcel. For independent verification of this, anyone can contact DHHL themselves @ 620-9450, and ask to speak with their property manager Linda Chin.

It is the height of irresponsibility to be announcing events without first obtaining the proper approvals. This is the same type of "but we have a new World Class Facility at Parcel 9" bullshit that helped close HRP in the first place. Thank OMAC for that one too.

[LJW]

BTW, would you like some grey poupon with that crow you're going to eat?

No thanks. I'll let you guys eat crow; you probably have a refrigerator full of it.

[LJW]

Since January this year, OMAC has been announcing Rally-X racing at Parcel 24 which was supposed to start-up in February.
It appears that the racing community has again been deceived.

According to the DHHL Director, the department has not authorized, and will not allow any Rally-X racing at P24. This was stated in a public meeting last week Feb 24. Also, there has been a directive in place since 4/15/2008 that bars any racing activity on the property until the proper permits have been acquired. To date, there are STILL no permits in place for that parcel. For independent verification of this, anyone can contact DHHL themselves @ 620-9450, and ask to speak with their property manager Linda Chin.

It is the height of irresponsibility to be announcing events without first obtaining the proper approvals. This is the same type of "but we have a new World Class Facility at Parcel 9" bullshit that helped close HRP in the first place. Thank OMAC for that one too.

OMAC is like a shit stain on the underwears of life!

[Mud Packer]

OMAC is like a shit stain on the underwears of life!

Couldn't have said it better myself. :D

Sounds like they found another empty headed parrot to repeat their BS.


Our trial event was pushed back because the venue was not ready. As of volunteer weekend we still had cement barriers sitting on the course that needed to be moved and painted. There is also a scheduling conflict with the surveyors that will be out there on the weekends.

I believe I heard Mike mention more volunteer events... gotta ask him.

I hope this does not come off as dismissive to you but there is always going to be a group of people doing what they can to create issues with the venue so I am not going to acknowledge any of the issues they are trying to create

lol, did I answer at least a few of your questions?
If there is another volunteer day try to come out. I had a good time meeting people and getting to know them outside of the forums....

[punishum]

WOW, that was . . . unique on your description LJW.

To no fault of the Graces, AHHhhhh, Mr. Kitchens as I recall how you took my rescheduling of events I ACTUALLY Had Approval for and twisted it into me Cheating people out of Money and filed Bogus complaints with the Better Biz B. You and those other Stains.

You ought to hold your "Build The Track" car show at P 24 to really show your support so that others can see your vision first hand on the actual parcel.

As you Mr. Kitchens have now found out first hand putting on a car show with static vehicles is FAR EASIER than an event with actual vehicles at speed.

And just Pulling OFF An EVENT is far more DIFFICULT than DREAMING or Just TALKING OUT LOUD

Much different when you have to deal with Boards, Insurance, Barriers, and numerous requirements never experienced by those who just turned a key an swung open a gate at HRP huh? Now you have to start from scratch.

Good Luck and remember this you Stain, Uhm I mean Mr. Kitchens "I" Pulled Off Every Single of my event dates. That is something YOU can NEVER SAY

And remember, "Car Shows Don't Count" as a real event as you are now learning FIRST HAND.

That experience means Didly SQUAT when it comes to a RACE Event.

[Mud Packer]

To no fault of the Graces

No it's not the Graces fault that there's people dumb enough to believe their shit.

[punishum]

No it's not the Graces fault that there's people dumb enough to believe their shit.

Wooooooo, Nelly.

Rally X was not the Graces doing.

But the Figment of Mr. Kitchens.

Alias, "The STAIN"

[dirt racer]

Sounds like they found another empty headed parrot to repeat their BS.

I guess some people enjoy being made out to look like a horses ass. :rolleyes:

[dirt racer]

"There is also a scheduling conflict with the surveyors that will be out there on the weekends."

lol. I guess surveyors that work on weekdays are kinda hard to find. I hope KRP didn't have to pay extra for surveyors to work on the weekends and screw up their events.

Who would have guessed there would be surveyors out there on weekends when the events were announced? Great excuse!

[Mud Packer]

lol. I guess surveyors that work on weekdays are kinda hard to find. I hope KRP didn't have to pay extra for surveyors to work on the weekends and screw up their events.

Who would have guessed there would be surveyors out there on weekends when the events were announced? Great excuse!

No it's not because of the surveyors silly. It's because the barriers weren't washed and painted. Aesthetics are very important to Rally racing. :p

[LJW]

No it's not because of the surveyors silly. It's because the barriers weren't washed and painted. Aesthetics are very important to Rally racing. :p
Why, did the shit spill over onto the barriers?

[LJW]

This comes from the Hawaii Talks site;


Its Mike M!

lol, yeah Mike K completed that paperwork hence why there we no issues with it. You do need to come out here, the course is going to be amazing. I am really excited.. having a hard time waiting for the first event

The course would've been more exciting if you guys left the trees there!

[Mud Packer]

The course would've been more exciting if you guys left the trees there!

No no no, you don't understand. They had to pull the trees out so Jr. could park more of his commercial vehicles there. Now Jr. has plenty room thanks to lots of free labor from the dummies. :confused: :confused: :confused:

[Mud Packer]

Why, did the shit spill over onto the barriers?

Well, Jr. is in the shit business so that's quite possible.

[LJW]

I would highly advise against purchasing rally tires at this moment. Why, aren't there going to be any events?

[punishum]

Why, aren't there going to be any events?

:confused: :eek: :confused: :eek: :confused: :eek:

Nawwwwwwwwwwwww, Since when has KITCHEN's Ever LIED To Anyone ! ! ! I am filing with the BBB Right NOW. See how you like it. You BASTARD :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Hey, Piece of advice Dick WAD ( AKA> Mr. Kitchens ) As this advice came from a VERY prominent leader.

"Be careful of the TOES you step on Today as it will be CONNECTED to the FRICKEN ASS you Have to KISS Tmrw."

Ain't POLITICS a BITCH.

Welcome to HAWAII :D :D

[Mud Packer]

Why, aren't there going to be any events?

If anyone in that group had an ounce of honor or honesty, they would take responsibility and admit they fucked up. Instead, they just weave more intricate lies. That's the way liars work. There's always some new excuse and it's someone else's fault.

It will be interesting to hear what the new excuse for not having any events in "mid to late April" will be. :rolleyes:

[punishum]

Now "DIG" this piece of NEWS Motorsports Fans.

A GROUP calling Themselves Oahu Pro Gas Association ( So ORIGINAL ) is headed up by Mr. Vowell. The same GUY who helped VITA build their tower WITHOUT a PERMIT ( I warned the VITA guys about getting ANY body from Oahu involved with them ) where they had to TEAR the tower DOWN and START all OVER.

They are pursuing the FEEDLOT with UDRIVE Crap.

Since when have the CRAK Heads get the KEYS to the Evidence Room?

Frigen Nuts are trying to be in Charge of the NUT House.

Well, GOOD Luck to YOUr Dum Asses but make sure you DON'T run outta PROZAC or what ever Retards ( Uhm, Mentally Challenged ) take to control them VOICES in YOUR Head.

[Mud Packer]

Now "DIG" this piece of NEWS Motorsports Fans.

A GROUP calling Themselves Oahu Pro Gas Association ( So ORIGINAL ) is headed up by Mr. Vowell. The same GUY who helped VITA build their tower WITHOUT a PERMIT ( I warned the VITA guys about getting ANY body from Oahu involved with them ) where they had to TEAR the tower DOWN and START all OVER.

They are pursuing the FEEDLOT with UDRIVE Crap.

Since when have the CRAK Heads get the KEYS to the Evidence Room?

Frigen Nuts are trying to be in Charge of the NUT House.

Well, GOOD Luck to YOUr Dum Asses but make sure you DON'T run outta PROZAC or what ever Retards ( Uhm, Mentally Challenged ) take to control them VOICES in YOUR Head.

No permits eh. Where have we heard that one before?

[dirt racer]

Now "DIG" this piece of NEWS Motorsports Fans.

A GROUP calling Themselves Oahu Pro Gas Association ( So ORIGINAL ) is headed up by Mr. Vowell. The same GUY who helped VITA build their tower WITHOUT a PERMIT ( I warned the VITA guys about getting ANY body from Oahu involved with them ) where they had to TEAR the tower DOWN and START all OVER.

They are pursuing the FEEDLOT with UDRIVE Crap.

Since when have the CRAK Heads get the KEYS to the Evidence Room?

Frigen Nuts are trying to be in Charge of the NUT House.

Well, GOOD Luck to YOUr Dum Asses but make sure you DON'T run outta PROZAC or what ever Retards ( Uhm, Mentally Challenged ) take to control them VOICES in YOUR Head.

At least this group is smart enough to realize that there isn't going to be a drag strip at P24. Speaking of which, didn't OMAC say the "Phase I" was supposed to be completed last month? I guess they figured everyone would have forgot about that by now.

[punishum]

At least this group is smart enough to realize that there isn't going to be a drag strip at P24. Speaking of which, didn't OMAC say the "Phase I" was supposed to be completed last month? I guess they figured everyone would have forgot about that by now.

You know what the one theme for the racers, doesn't matter what type. Drags, Dirt, Drift . . . What Ever.

They want someone else to do "ALL" The Frigen work and put up "ALL" the MONEY and just sit the Fk back NO HELP, NO VOTE and ONLY GRUMBLE.

[punishum]

Go after the dirt guys...check out the Affiliate links up above and go check out the 4x4boyz guys and people that frequented the mud bogs/sand drags.

WOW Mike K, You BROKE Dik, leaving poor Newbie ERIKA out to DRY as you are backing out . . . .Yet AGAIN :eek: :eek:

YOU Created the MESS . . . AGAIN and now you leave Someone Else to be the FALL Guy,
or in this case Lady, AHHH Fricken Gain:mad: :mad:

I am just Shocked and Appalled :rolleyes: :rolleyes: NOT

Be honest with the Gal. Then again that is something you have a problem with DON'T Ya.

Guys like Sean Oliberos who do baja racing and rock climbing.

Of course, with talented guys like Sean "O" with all of his BAJA and NASA and Heavy Equipment experience as well as DRIFTING and brother Steve "O" who has designed racetracks all over the country you guys have a VERY Deep Pool of VERY Experienced peeps.

So with that said, You guys should be up and running by February, Uhm I mean April, RIGHT ;) ;)

[LJW]

Phase 1: 1/4 Mile Temporary Dirt Track - .4 Mile Road Course - 550x250ft Asphalt Pad (drag pits). I think they need to update the KRP.com website.

[LJW]

"KRP is envisioned to provide a temporary home for the majority of Oahu's displaced racing community since the closure of Hawaii Raceway Park (HRP) in April 2006. The park, when fully constructed, will support multiple venues at the same time including drag, dirt, drift, road, moto, and go-kart racing. Compared to HRP, the facility will be a marked improvement concerning safety. It is being designed with ample runoff room, easy ingress and egress, as well as improved parking and track layouts. The park is also expected to have a sizable impact on the local economic and social economies as well as offering a safe alternative for improving driver skills and promoting family-oriented activities". So which one comes after Rally X ?

[punishum]

Phase 1: 1/4 Mile Temporary Dirt Track - .4 Mile Road Course - 550x250ft Asphalt Pad (drag pits). I think they need to update the KRP.com website.

"All great truths begin as blasphemies."-- George Bernard Shaw

Unfortunately as the sayings goes, Birds of a Feather . . . No Honor Among Thieves, etc., etc., et Fricken Cetera.

Hasn't Sally ( Or Tom, Dick and or Harry or What Ever they call themselves as regime change happens more often than a country who ends in STANs. ) pulled out the ball and you have FALLEN on ALL of your COLLECTIVE ASSes too many times already?

Wake UP

[dirt racer]

Phase 1: 1/4 Mile Temporary Dirt Track - .4 Mile Road Course - 550x250ft Asphalt Pad (drag pits). I think they need to update the KRP.com website.

They did update it by scrubbing the Rally-X dates.

[punishum]

They did update it by scrubbing the Rally-X dates.

WOT :eek: :eek: :eek:

Say it "AIN'T" so Dirt :confused: :confused:

But they have NASA and the Insurance / Sanctioning :eek: :eek:

[dirt racer]

WOT :eek: :eek: :eek:

Say it "AIN'T" so Dirt :confused: :confused:

But they have NASA and the Insurance / Sanctioning :eek: :eek:

If it's true that they have sanctioning and insurance for Rally-X, then it's really unfortunate they went through all that trouble for nothing.

[punishum]

If it's true that they have sanctioning and insurance for Rally-X, then it's really unfortunate they went through all that trouble for nothing.

Well I understand setbacks, all promoters have them. Jr said April and I have no reason to not believe him.

I have another TV special coming up on KHON on March 30 at 9 PM. The past show in January we made the P 24 project as an important part of the program. I would like to do an update and I hope to make sure it will be another positive one.

Because I "DO NOT" want to end up looking BAD if this falls through.

Many saw the show are counting on Jr were led to believe like I WAS that there is some hope that a racetrack will be opening up in April here on Oahu.

[Mud Packer]

Well I understand setbacks, all promoters have them. Jr said April and I have no reason to not believe him.

I have another TV special coming up on KHON on March 30 at 9 PM. The past show in January we made the P 24 project as an important part of the program. I would like to do an update and I hope to make sure it will be another positive one.

Because I "DO NOT" want to end up looking BAD if this falls through.

Many saw the show are counting on Jr were led to believe like I WAS that there is some hope that a racetrack will be opening up in April here on Oahu.

Tracy a race track will not be opening soon i'ts a race event. Rally-X racing . What happen to the DIRT TRACK THE DRIFTING THE DRAG TRACK THE MUD TRACK AND ETC>. I wish MR.KANE would let J-GRACE Blog again. Would like her to answer past and present Blogs. Oh yea saw the pillards and it was nice of the D.O.T. to let the pillards to a pivt. company at the TAX PAYERS EXPENSE.

[punishum]

Tracy a race track will not be opening soon i'ts a race event. Rally-X racing . What happen to the DIRT TRACK THE DRIFTING THE DRAG TRACK THE MUD TRACK AND ETC>. I wish MR.KANE would let J-GRACE Blog again. Would like her to answer past and present Blogs. Oh yea saw the pillards and it was nice of the D.O.T. to let the pillards to a pivt. company at the TAX PAYERS EXPENSE.

Look Mud, at least it's something.

Hopefully it's the start to get the ball rolling. First an event, then Build Da Track, then a full blown facility.

Time will tell, Right?

Give JR the benefit of the doubt. That's all, Be Fair :D :D

[Mud Packer]

Look Mud, at least it's something.

Hopefully it's the start to get the ball rolling. First an event, then Build Da Track, then a full blown facility.

Time will tell, Right?

Give JR the benefit of the doubt. That's all, Be Fair :D :D

Something for who??? The DIRT TRACKERS supported JR.for over 3 years.BE Fair-- again to who?? Has JR. been fair to all the racers with all the B.S. Look i like a track like every racer but what happen to the promise to us Dirt Rac ers . Give Us a Break!!!!!

[punishum]

Something for who??? The DIRT TRACKERS supported JR.for over 3 years.BE Fair-- again to who?? Has JR. been fair to all the racers with all the B.S. Look i like a track like every racer but what happen to the promise to us Dirt Rac ers . Give Us a Break!!!!!

Well in this case having a Rally X event is the start. They have the Sanctioning and / Insurance.

If they can pull this thing off then other types of racing will happen in the future.

Don't you think?

[Dirt Devil]

Again I keep watching all you guys posts and all I like no is I heard that we sposed to get one dirt oval by next month. Is this for real.

[punishum]

Again I keep watching all you guys posts and all I like no is I heard that we sposed to get one dirt oval by next month. Is this for real.

That is news to me. I heard Rally X is supposed to have there event next month but a dirt track? That is the first I have heard of this.

[dirt racer]

Well I understand setbacks, all promoters have them. Jr said April and I have no reason to not believe him.

I have another TV special coming up on KHON on March 30 at 9 PM. The past show in January we made the P 24 project as an important part of the program. I would like to do an update and I hope to make sure it will be another positive one.

Because I "DO NOT" want to end up looking BAD if this falls through.

Many saw the show are counting on Jr were led to believe like I WAS that there is some hope that a racetrack will be opening up in April here on Oahu.

Actually, what they said on the show was February 2009 (which has already passed). We've heard these dates come and go for the past 2 years for P24. And the past 20 years for P9. That's one reason not to believe it. The other reason is that building permits have not even been applied for yet. So if they apply tomorrow, perhaps construction could begin in another year.

Rally-X could be done on the property "as is". Unfortunately, Rally-X is not an approved use for the property (according to DHHL).

[punishum]

Actually, what they said on the show was February 2009 (which has already passed). We've heard these dates come and go for the past 2 years for P24. And the past 20 years for P9. That's one reason not to believe it. The other reason is that building permits have not even been applied for yet. So if they apply tomorrow, perhaps construction could begin in another year.

Rally-X could be done on the property "as is". Unfortunately, Rally-X is not an approved use for the property (according to DHHL).

I made "ONE" date change and Jr should be allowed the same leeway.

OMAC said February and "NOW" the GRACEs said it is April.

[Mud Packer]

I made "ONE" date change and Jr should be allowed the same leeway.

OMAC said February and "NOW" the GRACEs said it is April.

One date change? What happened to the Christmas 2007 race then it was Feb 2008 then it was March then it was July then it was August then it was Sept then it was Oct then it was Feb 2009. Thats more than one date change Tracy.

Now we have rallly x that was Feb (never happened) March 1 (never happened.

How much you like bet nothing will happen in April either?

[PiTytheFooL]

First and foremost JEANETTE...you should grow up and be big enough to call Franklin "stoopid" or cry baby to his face....or mine. You saw us just last
night and what....no comment. You being in Maui is so lame, too. And please don't go through the motions of denying who PitytheFool is.

whoa aunty, wassup wit u? Im not jeanette or jr. u so way out der. u no lik say anything and den u start snapin at da wrong one. my family know u and uncl frank. and dey rite. u guys no do shit but wine and moan. tonite i goin my uncls place for bbq and i goin get more scoops.

[PiTytheFooL]

One date change? What happened to the Christmas 2007 race then it was Feb 2008 then it was March then it was July then it was August then it was Sept then it was Oct then it was Feb 2009. Thats more than one date change Tracy.

Now we have rallly x that was Feb (never happened) March 1 (never happened.

How much you like bet nothing will happen in April either?

hey mud why you no back off. at lest dey tryin sumtin. what u doin for da track. u sound lik uncl frank. stop bichin and do sumtin good for da racers.

[Mud Packer]

hey mud why you no back off. at lest dey tryin sumtin. what u doin for da track. u sound lik uncl frank. stop bichin and do sumtin good for da racers.

What-- Fool --Uncle Kane no let you talk ????? You say you not Jeanette but we know you are. YOU forget the old Blogs..You know who i am. Jeanette just build the track and stop hidding behind the name Fool-Of-Shit.....SO what Jeanette Can't anwser my past Blogs. Or are you going say I'am not PITY_THE_FOOL AGAIN!!!!! Get a life FOOL!! And stop crying Fool, you sound like your Uncles!!!!!! And you the ones I'am talking about..

[Mud Packer]

hey mud why you no back off. at lest dey tryin sumtin. what u doin for da track. u sound lik uncl frank. stop bichin and do sumtin good for da racers.

A--Jeanette you forgot already,the letter you and George sent all of us.. That we are all Banned from the property P-24 and can't step on the property or you will have us arrested. So how can we help even if we wanted!!!So the best thing we can do for the racers is shed some light as to whats really happening.. NOT ALL THE B.S. See you at the race track!!!! AH,SHIt (BANNED from the property) Well life go's on.....

[TooDeep]

You know what, this thing with p 24 suck shet! You know what sista jeanete just grow one beard and join the circus- you sick.

[punishum]

You know what, this thing with p 24 suck shet! You know what sista jeanete just grow one beard and join the circus- you sick.

C'mon guys, stick to the facts and stop the name calling.

[SM2-MSM]

Whoever is admin should just post up all the ip addresses that the Graces and the other screen names that are supposedly the Graces. That should settle it.

Just git-r-done, wonder if April will hold a race? I have a car ready for my use to beat up on dirt/coral/asphalt!

[SM2-MSM]

Again I keep watching all you guys posts and all I like no is I heard that we sposed to get one dirt oval by next month. Is this for real.

Sadly, I doubt it, it's still a big pile of dirt. But then again, I don't know how hard it is to turn a big pile of dirt into a circle track, maybe a month?

[Dirt Devil]

Sadly, I doubt it, it's still a big pile of dirt. But then again, I don't know how hard it is to turn a big pile of dirt into a circle track, maybe a month?

So I just getting my chained yanked again then. That is why so many stay doing other things like fish or go clean yard now. All this sheby from to many guys already. More cheap for go buy bate and beer. and no stress.

[Sprint]

jr them said the circle track going be ready soon by april

[Mud Packer]

jr them said the circle track going be ready soon by april

April of what Year. As of today Humble-George has no permits. And look at the place,the pillars are around the area, not set-up for a dirt track but Rally-X Racing. And building a race track is more than throwing dirt on the ground.You need fencing, cable,lights,bleachers, pit shacks,poles and etc.!!!!!!! So think about, if ,it will happen by april. But one good thing,they got the Toilets cover!!! If they only do things right,You will be racing at some time.!!!!!! But not us cause we are Banned from P-24. But you know what, you should be asking Micah Kane if and when racing will happen on P-24.

[punishum]

Well, If JR Boy can get the track going with Rally X then things like the Super Ferry getting sidelined due to them radical environmentalist and Oahu racers can't go to Maui now, won't this be a start to a solution in the right direction.

After ALL, isn't getting ANY racetrack here on Oahu more important than fighting amongst each other?

[dirt racer]

After ALL, isn't getting ANY racetrack here on Oahu more important than fighting amongst each other?

Apparently not.

[Mud Packer]

Apparently not.

I SECOND THAT!!!!!!

[PiTytheFooL]

April of what Year. As of today Humble-George has no permits. And look at the place,the pillars are around the area, not set-up for a dirt track but Rally-X Racing. And building a race track is more than throwing dirt on the ground.You need fencing, cable,lights,bleachers, pit shacks,poles and etc.!!!!!!! So think about, if ,it will happen by april. But one good thing,they got the Toilets cover!!! If they only do things right,You will be racing at some time.!!!!!! But not us cause we are Banned from P-24. But you know what, you should be asking Micah Kane if and when racing will happen on P-24.

hey unkl frank now i no why u dont no nuthin bout whats goin on wit da track. my unkl dem wen show me da pic on da udda site weer u guys stay lockd out. http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/ww215/kalaniboy_photos/Project1.png
now i undastan:D :D :D :D

[TooDeep]

Hoo sistah you stoopin kinda low. My uncle told me you get one bed tyed to your back, what eva that mean, if you like go there.

[Mud Packer]

hey unkl frank now i no why u dont no nuthin bout whats goin on wit da track. my unkl dem wen show me da pic on da udda site weer u guys stay lockd out. http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/ww215/kalaniboy_photos/Project1.png
now i undastan:D :D :D :D

A Jeanette you know I'm not uncle BUT WHY DON'T YOU ANSWER THE PAST BLOGS. And thats a nice picture from Kalaniboy of uncle and aunty when you screwed them off the lease. The picture proves how chicken-shit you and Jr. are. Now the racers know who is the greedy people and how pathetic you two are as track (SO CALLED) builders. And I was worried you didn't answer, I thought you were still eating BBQ and blowing smoke up some body's aaaaaaaazzzzzzz!!!!!

[punishum]

Well PunishUM has another show on KHON coming up this coming Monday night at 9 PM.

I had contacted Jeanette by phone and email and did NOT get any response to the request for an interview so I can let the viewers know what is going on from THEIR Point of View.

Not GOOD PR as that is the way I will HAVE to tell it on the show.

[Humble George]

Well PunishUM has another show on KHON coming up this coming Monday night at 9 PM.

I had contacted Jeanette by phone and email and did NOT get any response to the request for an interview so I can let the viewers know what is going on from THEIR Point of View.

Not GOOD PR as that is the way I will HAVE to tell it on the show.

Tracy,

We are not ignoring you. I am still waiting to hear from you to discuss your differences with SORT LLC and OMAC.

I have made numerous attempts to try to get you and Les to some of our meetings, where you could discuss, exchange ideas or just listen. To bring clarification for yourselves. But you've both turned down the invites.

Your recent turn around of thoughts and attitude towards the P24 project seems to be surprising. Once again, we have always tried to get you involved. I have said it many times before, you have a very unique talent when it comes to media coverage and expertise.

However, we need some clarification of what your motives and interest are. Whether it be positive for your show, positive towards the P24 project, or some new direction you want to head towards.

Your Punishum show is very informational and entertaining. I personally find it high in value. Even the shows that you are not talking about KRP. It's clear that you don't need us to put on a great show. And it's also clear that we don't need you to promote our project. However, together, we could help each other tremendously.

You need to remember one thing, when we sat at the table with the State and Hawaiian Homes, we have agreed to work together. There have been some harsh words said between you and I, me and OMAC, you and OMAC, OMAC and you, and OMAC and me.

But we have learned that working in unity gets more positive results for the racing community. We have decided to set our differences aside and work together for the racing community.

So, basically what I am saying is you need to do the same. Set your differences aside, and be positive for the racing community.

Take some time to think about what I just said and if you wish to discuss this further, please contact me. I'm still waiting to hear from you.

Jr.

[punishum]

Tracy,
Your Punishum show is very informational and entertaining. I personally find it high in value. Even the shows that you are not talking about KRP. It's clear that you don't need us to put on a great show. And it's also clear that we don't need you to promote our project.


You have NO ( Positive ) promotions to speak of other that only negatives that have come out and the continual back and forth bashing from the 2 SORTs and its supporters / detractors.

As you can see this thread alone has over 3000 views as other sites when they talk about local racing have very little traffic in comparison.

Let me school YOU Jeanette / JR Boy on how and why promotion or lack of in the REAL world of coverage is important and why. Here we go.

PunishUM Has the largest motorsport audience in the state and that was when we were on K-5. November of 2005 our first show when we went commercial had a Nielsen audience that if you combined NASCAR, American Chopper and this other show was how large PunishUM's viewing audience were. And that was some 8,000 households. At that time the only auto / racing / motorsport related show on the air in Hawaii who had a larger audience than PunishUM was Spike's Horsepower TV. By the way PunishUM has now been on the air since 2000. Over 9 years and We are the First, Oldest and Longest running Hawaii Motorsports TV show in the history of Hawaii Television.

Fast forward to Our switch to KHON in 2009, which by the way is the states Number "1" Station. ( All the networks are in this Nielsen ratings period right now. ) It is too bad we didn't have ratings in January as the May show of American Idol pulls in some 85,000 + Hawaii households. The season premiere of American Idol in January would have comparable numbers. As that is what show PunishUM followed. A show that followed American Idol May 2008 held onto over 55,000 households to watch a local music awards show. That is a lot of people more than any of the traditional TV newscasts. Which everybody from a politician to a local fundraiser seeks. Just like every REAL racing association on the mainland knows, MEDIA Coverage, ESPECIALLY TV coverage is VERY important.

I am not interested in sitting down and breaking bread only to get YOUR Take on what is going on as you are the developer,
The Buck STARTS and STOPS with "YOU" and the viewers need to know it straight from your mouth and NOT rumors from 3rd party / Second or in most cases 100th Hand Information.

Deadlines in TV are very finite. If you can't give me time today to tell me what is going on from your stand point other than to respond via this forum then I will have to run with the information I have before me . . . . . Tick tock, tick tock . . . . . .

[Humble George]

You have NO ( Positive ) promotions to speak of other that only negatives that have come out and the continual back and forth bashing from the 2 SORTs and its supporters / detractors.

As you can see this thread alone has over 3000 views as other sites when they talk about local racing have very little traffic in comparison.

Let me school YOU Jeanette / JR Boy on how and why promotion or lack of in the REAL world of coverage is important and why. Here we go.

PunishUM Has the largest motorsport audience in the state and that was when we were on K-5. November of 2005 our first show when we went commercial had a Nielsen audience that if you combined NASCAR, American Chopper and this other show was how large PunishUM's viewing audience were. And that was some 8,000 households. At that time the only auto / racing / motorsport related show on the air in Hawaii who had a larger audience than PunishUM was Spike's Horsepower TV. By the way PunishUM has now been on the air since 2000. Over 9 years and We are the First, Oldest and Longest running Hawaii Motorsports TV show in the history of Hawaii Television.

Fast forward to Our switch to KHON in 2009, which by the way is the states Number "1" Station. ( All the networks are in this Nielsen ratings period right now. ) It is too bad we didn't have ratings in January as the May show of American Idol pulls in some 85,000 + Hawaii households. The season premiere of American Idol in January would have comparable numbers. As that is what show PunishUM followed. A show that followed American Idol May 2008 held onto over 55,000 households to watch a local music awards show. That is a lot of people more than any of the traditional TV newscasts. Which everybody from a politician to a local fundraiser seeks. Just like every REAL racing association on the mainland knows, MEDIA Coverage, ESPECIALLY TV coverage is VERY important.

I am not interested in sitting down and breaking bread only to get YOUR Take on what is going on as you are the developer,
The Buck STARTS and STOPS with "YOU" and the viewers need to know it straight from your mouth and NOT rumors from 3rd party / Second or in most cases 100th Hand Information.

Deadlines in TV are very finite. If you can't give me time today to tell me what is going on from your stand point other than to respond via this forum then I will have to run with the information I have before me . . . . . Tick tock, tick tock . . . . . .

Tracy, thank you for the schooling on the position of your show and the nielson ratings. As we said many many times before, you have talent in media coverage.

We have been contacted by the local news stations and the two main papers on doing a story. We would gladly work with you, but you need to set aside your differences and be openminded for the better of motorsports and or racing in Hawaii. I am just the developer who wants to try to do things different, where the racers come first. I think you understand what I am saying.

Your personal thoughts and opinions towards me and members of OMAC recently have been mind boggling. And it does not show professionalism on yor part. And have been a very alarming concern.

So once again, until we sit and talk, we will not be able to move forward for your show.

As far as informing the general public and the racing community, there's alot of positive circulation out there right now. And there will be lots of info when the time comes.

I am pleading with you to see your way trough this and let's hope for a better tomorrow.

[zerozero]

You have NO ( Positive ) promotions to speak of other that only negatives that have come out and the continual back and forth bashing from the 2 SORTs and its supporters / detractors.

As you can see this thread alone has over 3000 views as other sites when they talk about local racing have very little traffic in comparison.

Let me school YOU Jeanette / JR Boy on how and why promotion or lack of in the REAL world of coverage is important and why. Here we go.

PunishUM Has the largest motorsport audience in the state and that was when we were on K-5. November of 2005 our first show when we went commercial had a Nielsen audience that if you combined NASCAR, American Chopper and this other show was how large PunishUM's viewing audience were. And that was some 8,000 households. At that time the only auto / racing / motorsport related show on the air in Hawaii who had a larger audience than PunishUM was Spike's Horsepower TV. By the way PunishUM has now been on the air since 2000. Over 9 years and We are the First, Oldest and Longest running Hawaii Motorsports TV show in the history of Hawaii Television.

Fast forward to Our switch to KHON in 2009, which by the way is the states Number "1" Station. ( All the networks are in this Nielsen ratings period right now. ) It is too bad we didn't have ratings in January as the May show of American Idol pulls in some 85,000 + Hawaii households. The season premiere of American Idol in January would have comparable numbers. As that is what show PunishUM followed. A show that followed American Idol May 2008 held onto over 55,000 households to watch a local music awards show. That is a lot of people more than any of the traditional TV newscasts. Which everybody from a politician to a local fundraiser seeks. Just like every REAL racing association on the mainland knows, MEDIA Coverage, ESPECIALLY TV coverage is VERY important.

I am not interested in sitting down and breaking bread only to get YOUR Take on what is going on as you are the developer,
The Buck STARTS and STOPS with "YOU" and the viewers need to know it straight from your mouth and NOT rumors from 3rd party / Second or in most cases 100th Hand Information.

Deadlines in TV are very finite. If you can't give me time today to tell me what is going on from your stand point other than to respond via this forum then I will have to run with the information I have before me . . . . . Tick tock, tick tock . . . . . .

statistics are a funny thing

as of 2007 there were 506,737 Hawaii households - having 8,000 of them tune into your motorsports show is less than 2%.

see - it's all in how you do the math.

#00

I'm not involved in the track - any track - OMAC or anything else. So when you flame me for this keep everyone else out of it. And make sure you use lots of big RED letters and change the FONT SIZES a couple times to really get your point across. Maybe even quote the bible a few times too - I get a kick out of that. Insulting someone with the bible.

[punishum]

Auwe FRED, did you feel left out :D :D

Don't worry I REMEMBER you. I hope you stay tuned as guess what? You are going to be a part of the show too :eek: :eek:

[zerozero]

Auwe FRED, did you feel left out :D :D

Don't worry I REMEMBER you. I hope you stay tuned as guess what? You are going to be a part of the show too :eek: :eek:

cool - thanks I'll DVR it since I'm not going to be in town.

#00

[LJW]

As far as informing the general public and the racing community, there's alot of positive circulation out there right now.



Must be a circle of about 5 people.

[LJW]

Hey Fred, don't feel left out; Jr. and his crew left a few tree's out there just for you!

[Mud Packer]

Tracy, thank you for the schooling on the position of your show and the nielson ratings. As we said many many times before, you have talent in media coverage.

We have been contacted by the local news stations and the two main papers on doing a story. We would gladly work with you, but you need to set aside your differences and be openminded for the better of motorsports and or racing in Hawaii. I am just the developer who wants to try to do things different, where the racers come first. I think you understand what I am saying.

Your personal thoughts and opinions towards me and members of OMAC recently have been mind boggling. And it does not show professionalism on yor part. And have been a very alarming concern.

So once again, until we sit and talk, we will not be able to move forward for your show.

As far as informing the general public and the racing community, there's alot of positive circulation out there right now. And there will be lots of info when the time comes.

I am pleading with you to see your way trough this and let's hope for a better tomorrow.

Blah!!!Blah!!!!Blah!!!!Blah!!!!! Same old Bull-Shit. What's Positive---Racing will start, you have the Permits...now that's positive! Anything less is BULL-Shit.

[punishum]

:confused: :confused: :confused:

How's the crickets ? ? ? ? The Silence is DEAFENING . . . . . .

"And the truth shall set "YOU" Free . . . . "

[zerozero]

sorry forgot to DVR it

I guess I'm not one of the 3 people in Waimanalo who watched it.

#00

[LJW]

sorry forgot to DVR it

I guess I'm not one of the 3 people in Waimanalo who watched it.

#00

At least 3 people watched it; theres still no track at P24 or P9; YOU SUCK BITCH!

[Mud Packer]

:confused: :confused: :confused:

How's the crickets ? ? ? ? The Silence is DEAFENING . . . . . .

"And the truth shall set "YOU" Free . . . . "

Your buddy posted this on FH.


I just want to say that we are working very hard on this. Yes, we're not pros, we've never done this before. I don't think many people have. But we're putting our all into this, and have been doing everything we can to move things forward.

Yes, there are delays, and there are going to be delays. There's been alot of things we've marked on our calendar that have had to be pushed back. Can't really do much about it, because it's out of our hands sometimes. That, and certain people that are doing their best to rub our names in the dirt and spread misinformation certainly doesn't help.

If you care about racing, then you know that this is our only opportunity at the moment to get something for all of us to get back to racing. We've all stuck our foots in our mouths at one point or another (me, espescially, and I certainly admit that). But that doesn't change the fact that what we're trying to do is important, and it's with the best of intentions.

The simple truth of the matter is that regardless of what anyone says, I am putting everything I've got into this to make it happen...along with everyone else that's working on this. I'm sorry if I haven't fulfilled everyone's expectations or gotten us a working track yet...but I promise that I won't stop until I do.

I appreciate the supportive comments, Tee espescially...and well, I'd just like to say "Don't believe everything you see on TV." If you want the real story, any of you, then just call me. It's that simple... 808-782-7432. Give me a yell. I'll tell you what I know and where we're at and then you can decide who you believe.

We have made alot of progress within the limitations placed on us...I hope you guys can see that. Thanks.

[Mud Packer]

Mike K. won't stop until he fulfills everyone's expectations and gets us a working track. How's THAT one?

[TooDeep]

Mike K. won't stop until he fulfills everyone's expectations and gets us a working track. How's THAT one?

If Mike bend over in Nanakuli he can work the train track.

[punishum]

Has anyone heard of Harry Markopolos?

Has any one heard of Bernie Madoff?

Markopolos was the Whistle Blower of Madoff. The BIGGEST Ponzi Scheme in the history of THE Financial demise.

Don't begrudge the messenger, all I did was report the FACTs.

A LIE is a LIE is ALWAYs a LIE. No matter who it comes from.

Different Regime but the same Ole S**T ! ! !

Only difference?

You all will be Begging for the Bad Ole Days. And that is VERY Sad :eek: :eek:

[dirt racer]

Don't begrudge the messenger, all I did was report the FACTs.


No one wants to hear the facts. What they want to hear is that you're gonna build a new track in 6 months that's bigger and better than Hawaii Raceway Park. Stupid people are easily impressed with bullshit.

[punishum]

The "Lunch Bunch" is a gathering of the auto enthusiasts here on Oahu. From dealers to car collectors. This monthly gathering is the work of TV producers Ed Kemper and Bill Malloney. And has been going strong now for years and is well established.

The main guest speaker at April's gathering, yesterday Tuesday April 7 was supposed to have been Kitchens to talk about P24. And GUESS WHAT? He was a "NO" SHOW . . . What happened Mike?

[Mud Packer]

Mike is probably too busy getting ready for the "mid to late April" rally-x.

[SM2-MSM]

So are there any new developments for either you guys or OMAC?

It's quite depressing that we all can't get along to just get something, but I guess it's too late now with all the backstabbing and misinformation that's been thrown around.

Hey Tracy, is there anywhere that I can get a copy of your show? I missed it, except for the small part on youtube.

[punishum]

Yeah, the You Tube clip is on just the P24 update. The segments on the Anti-Speeding / Street Racing segments can be found on our website punishum.com

I believe it is on the VIDEO segment of the site. Not sure if our webmaster got it under the "Speed Safely" logo.

You have to sign up which is FREE and you are then eligible for some round trip ticket giveaways from our generous sponsor GO!

We don't sell or distribute the emails. It is for our member list only. We will also have new webisodes and prize giveaways monthly as well.

Thanks.

[punishum]

You know it would be GREAT if we all could get along but there has been too many Things were SAID that CANNOT be taken back and LIES is NEVER a way of uniting people.

It is said "Great leaders INSPIRE Greatness in OTHERS." Kitchens has been involved with BOTH projects.

When I was doing the stadium deal I invited Kitchens and his group to get involved even AFTER they did their best to stir up hostilities. Because they Couldn't be the ONES in charge they continued to undermine my efforts.

When I Rescheduled my one event VICIOUS RUMORS were spread that I was STEALING Participants MONEY to buy Camera Equipment.

Or another RUMOR that I STOLE $30,000.

I did every event I said I would do. That cannot be said in their case.

This is WHY the sides will NEVER, EVER come together. Achievers verses LIARS will NEVER see EYE 2 EYE.

[Mud Packer]

Just want to update this, we are currently looking at a mid to late April first event date. Think of this as more time to prep your ride

Anyone know how the "mid to late April" event went? Who won?

[punishum]

Anyone know how the "mid to late April" event went? Who won?

Not sure what you are referring to? They never clarified which YEAR

So the ACTUAL Event and results will be Pending till FURTHER Notice.

Mr. SINK should be the one to ask.

[dirt racer]

Not sure what you are referring to? They never clarified which YEAR


I'm pretty sure they meant this year. But since the landowner has said Rally-X racing wasn't allowed on the property, IDK why they keep announcing that event. I guess they just want to make themselves look stupid.

[Dirt Devil]

I heard you guys talking on George Nittas show and you was talking about permits.

I heard from one other drit racer that all they need was one Shure bond and then they can race. What is that?

[dirt racer]

I heard you guys talking on George Nittas show and you was talking about permits.

I heard from one other drit racer that all they need was one Shure bond and then they can race. What is that?

A "surety bond" is basically an insurance policy in case a developer defaults on a project. According to DPP, the P24 developer has not been able to get bonded. And that's what is holding up the permits. If the permits are ever acquired, construction can begin. If the construction is ever completed, THEN they can race. I wouldn't hold my breath.

[LJW]

There is DARKNESS where there should be LIGHT. GIVE IT UP!

[punishum]

A "Surety Bond" is something that is GUARANTEED on a Company/Project/ Event that it will HAPPEN.

It is also based on a PERCENTAGE of the PROJECTS overall VALUE.

Like in the case of the FAILED "Hawaiian Super PRIX". Something that others like JOKELAND would NEVER have GOTTEN for his Bogus Projects like P9 or the same as the NOW Bogus P-24 or Kalaeloa Raceway.

What is 2% on $1 MILLION ? ? ? :confused: :confused:

That is what is Holding up the PROJECT.

And RALLY "X" will NEVER bring in ANY amount of $ $ $ $ to offset that EXPENDITURE ( For your MORONS that means Outlay of CASH. )

You FOLLOWERs need to kick in Some DOUGH to Help JR Boy if you believe that a Temporary Facility is
WORTH MILLIONS of PERMANENT Funding.

[dirt racer]

IIRC, the Superprix bond was only $5 million, not 30 million as some had suggested. So while the organizers were claiming that the event was bonded, it really wasn't.

[punishum]

A "surety bond" is basically an insurance policy in case a developer defaults on a project. According to DPP, the P24 developer has not been able to get bonded. And that's what is holding up the permits. If the permits are ever acquired, construction can begin. If the construction is ever completed, THEN they can race. I wouldn't hold my breath.

Good Point. Besides the REQUIRED BOND other COSTs are the PERMITs themselves.

Minimum before any CONSTRUCTION begins is PROBABLY close to $50,000.

Then even HIGHER if things like Water, Electrical etc.

You CAN'T just tap into those things for FREE either, then Again :eek: :D I would NOT be Surprised

[Mud Packer]

You need good credit too. So much for jr. getting bonded, he couldn't even pay the rent on his Kapolei Knolls house. :eek:

[punishum]

You need good credit too. So much for jr. getting bonded, he couldn't even pay the rent on his Kapolei Knolls house. :eek:

WOW, that is a "LOT" just to get the ball rolling.

But leave out Character Flaws and just stick to the Facts.

The TRUTH is more than enough.

Good LUCK to YOU Mr. Sink at the Lunch Bunch on May 5th.

Any of you attending should ask the HARD questions and ask to SHOW You the FACTS.

Not BS cause that only makes the GRASS GROW

[dirt racer]

Minimum before any CONSTRUCTION begins is PROBABLY close to $50,000.


What happened to all their supporters? Why don't they all kick in a few bucks to help? :rolleyes:

[LJW]

What happened to all their supporters? Why don't they all kick in a few bucks to help? :rolleyes:

Athletic Supporters?

[punishum]

What happened to all their supporters? Why don't they all kick in a few bucks to help? :rolleyes:

Cause talk is CHEAP. They ( All the Deadbeats ) want someone else to Put up all the MONEY, and TIME while they COMPLAIN.

Just like the LIAR(s)who said to EVERYONE I stole $30,000 from him. They even tried to tell the Tall Tale to the President of NOPI and the drivers from the mainland.

See when you LIE and tell Tall Tales to people who have BRAINs they can see right through YOUR LIE.

So the driver told Mr. O,"If Tracy stole your $30,000, why do you have such CRAPPY Cars."

Mr. Sink got torpedoed last time before the Lunch Bunch.

So what kind of a Greeting and Questions will be in store for the LIAR this time?

[punishum]

When I was planning the stadium presentations the media was around all the time.

One day I thanked one of the reporters from KGMB for coming out and for his story he did on the progress the month prior.

His exact response was,"I like it when PEOPLE have their SHIT TOGETHER."

I hope you got your SHIT together Mr. Sink for tmrw.

Your slick presentation that you pulled the wool over the uneducated or ignorant is going to be FAR Different when you face seasoned mature racers and car collectors who Smell FEAR And BS when they See and Hear it.

[LJW]

You know what is so stupid, Mike K. keeps having these Campaigns; Car Shows, meeting with the lunch bunch, etc... He doesn't need to brainwash anyone else, he needs to get all the permits required to start construction on p24 (if its not a junkyard yet) Hey Mike, if you want to do Car Shows, do Car Shows, stay out of the "Building The Track" lying bullshit.

[punishum]

GREAT Presentation today Mr. SINK.

You could NOT say WHEN the Project would be DONE and that ONLY 1/2 of the PERMITS is there.

Well, the 2 MANDATORY Needed to satisfy 1) the NOO ( Notice of Order ) which is a VIOLATION of the 35,000 Cubic Yards of Dirt ILLEGALLY Stockpiled and 2) the GRADING Permit.

What about the Permanent Barriers from the DOT?

Where is the Surety BOND ? ? ?

[punishum]

You know what is so stupid, Mike K. keeps having these Campaigns; Car Shows, meeting with the lunch bunch, etc... He doesn't need to brainwash anyone else, he needs to get all the permits required to start construction on p24 (if its not a junkyard yet) Hey Mike, if you want to do Car Shows, do Car Shows, stay out of the "Building The Track" lying bullshit.

Good point LJW.

One MILLION Dollar ( $1,000,000 ) Bond: Required by DPP

Developer only has $50,000 in assets. ( As reported by Mr. Sink at the Lunch Bunch gathering. )

Equals = "NO Track"

[Mud Packer]

Developer only has $50,000 in assets.

They need to dump some more dirt to build up that account.

[udrivecrap]

hey Leo... i lost da kines numba in my cell phone. we like know how he did.

lmk.. thanks.

hi Les :D... whatchubeen up to?

[dirt racer]

hey Leo... i lost da kines numba in my cell phone. we like know how he did.

lmk.. thanks.

hi Les :D... whatchubeen up to?

Hey Dave welcome to the dark side, "powerful you will become". The rules here are there aren't any rules. Have fun! :p

[udrivecrap]

hahaha Les... same ol sense of humor eh? :D what kine fun do you guys have around here anyway? i hope its not mud packing on camping trips... you can get a disease from that. oh what fun we used to have back in the day of track talk... LMFAO

nevamind Leo, thanks anyway, i found the number. :cool:

[dirt racer]

we like know how he did.


Something about the motor blowing up and suing the asshole that sold him the car. Or something like that.

[udrivecrap]

OMG. :eek: that's why you have to remind your crew members to check the scoop for the foam insert BEFORE you get to the staging lanes... and for god sakes have them ALL read the dam instructions on the fire extinguisher.

nah, just joking... it was sold without a drivetrain. :D hahahaha

[LJW]

Hey Dave, I think the best the car did was a 12.40 (in the heat)

[udrivecrap]

yeah, that's right... it was bouncing and spinning off the line and he didn't know what the rear shock pressure was set at. i know it was high when it left for the dock. i told him they should be set around 10-12lbs.

should be in the 11's before too long.

[dirt racer]

OMG. :eek: that's why you have to remind your crew members to check the scoop for the foam insert BEFORE you get to the staging lanes... and for god sakes have them ALL read the dam instructions on the fire extinguisher.

nah, just joking... it was sold without a drivetrain. :D hahahaha

The thing to do is collect the deposit, then take out the motor before they come pick up the car. Tell them you're just selling the car not the motor. Ask your friend about how to do that. ;)

[Mud Packer]

Check out Einstein's post over at FH.


Anything new on Rally-X? I haven't seen an update in a while.

[punishum]

OMG. :eek: that's why you have to remind your crew members to check the scoop for the foam insert BEFORE you get to the staging lanes... and for god sakes have them ALL read the dam instructions on the fire extinguisher.

nah, just joking... it was sold without a drivetrain. :D hahahaha

Hey Dave, what you sold your car?

Why you did that for? Haven't you heard KRP got HALF of their permits and P9 Ain't dead yet.

So what you goin display at "Build Da Charade" then?

[dirt racer]

Check out Einstein's post over at FH.

You mean there are still people in the known universe dumb enough to believe in OMAC's bullshit?
THAT'S AMAZING!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

[udrivecrap]

hahaha oh wow.

you guys are behind with the info. i haven't displayed a car there since the first show.

at any rate, i don't like to keep asking about p24 or p9. seeing is believing. i just feel sorry for those people that got their oval cars ready hoping they would race here. that's the same way i felt when HRP closed and i thought it or a new track was gonna open in 5 months. well.... i'm still waiting and trying to help. i so wanna kick someone in the nuts right now. its just too expensive to ship a car and race outer-islands for some folks (like me).. sux major balls.

hey, its been nice chatting with you guys but i gotta do some stuff now, catchya later :cool:

[punishum]

i so wanna kick someone in the nuts right now. its just too expensive to ship a car and race outer-islands for some folks (like me).. sux major balls.

Hey Dave, well you know who to blame, your drinking buddy who can't even leave his house without the whole island wanting to kick his ass.

Pretty soon that will be Mr. Sinks problem too.

There were several racers as well as me with PunishUM we all tried to work out deals with the "Ferry Peeps" to make special rates for their off peak times to get racers to and from Maui etc.

All I can say is . . .

Someone also said they "Like Fundraise" to send the drag racers to the outer islands. You guys should look into that.

[udrivecrap]

ok sure, i'll kick him in the nuts the next time i see him, just for you. :D

yeah that ferry thing really screwed me up. :o pass on the fundraising though.

as a side note, you guys should try to go easy on MikeK. he's a great guy and his heart is in the right place, always working hard to do what he does.

motorsports awareness is critical in this time, you should know that as you contribute to the whole fight for a racetrack with your Punishum show. we are not the idiots, we know exactly what we want. its the other people that's the problem... you know, the ones with personal agendas.

like Auntie Ev said to me... it ain't over till the fat lady sings. i just don't know who that fat lady is :confused:

[Mud Packer]

well, do you know about how long its gonna be before there is an event there? Mike? Anybody?

I know, NEVER! that's how long. Better get busy with the feedlot.

[Mud Packer]

as a side note, you guys should try to go easy on MikeK. he's a great guy and his heart is in the right place, always working hard to do what he does.


You mean the guy who lobbied city council to keep HRP closed so we can get a new track? So where's the new track? What happened to P9, or KRP phase 1, or rally-x. He should learn to keep his big mouth shut because he obviously doesn't know what he's talking about.

[udrivecrap]

haha... NEVER? :eek: oh sh*t.

yeah that guy. but hey, i understand how you guys knew Oakland wasn't going to get "his" land swap deal. other people didn't know that and were hopefull that a NEW facility would be built in a bigger place.

i just don't see holding people who stand up for what they "believe" in as doing wrong. the same would apply for you.

the quickest way to racing would have been the Enomoto Group and Parcel 9. we live in a unique city/state as i've stated many times before, going to the capitol and saying two different things give our fearless leaders a wild card and everybody gets kicked to the curb.

i dont' think national attention or pressure would make much of a difference unless its an epic thing, huge proportions. the powers at be here could care less what the rest of the nation thinks about us. or so it seems. money talks and bullsh*t walks.

i dunno, what do you think about what i just posted? :D

[dirt racer]

Hey Dave, I found out about the P9 deal or "no deal" just by making a few phone calls. I didn't know Micah or anyone in SORT at the time. Why it took some of you 3 years to figure it out IDK.

And when MO was at the capitol lobbying for his tax credits, proclaiming he had nothing to do with the sale of HRP. Don't you think some key legislators knew what the actual deal was? Did he really think he was going to keep a secret like that on this island? That whole "the track is closing" power play backfired. The legislature found out they were being played and killed the Bills.

At any rate, I think your leaseholder friends couldn't care less about the track closing, or the P9 landswap. They got their $5 million option payment for HRP, and that's all that mattered to them.

[udrivecrap]

hmmm.... the old power play routine backfired, eh? more like they threw a rod :D... never mind about the variances and non-existant sewers and the land owner wanting to sell... i'm sure they could have kept it open for a bit longer... especially if they had purchased it. then they could have just tried to keep it there after dumping millions into that less than 70 acre parcel.

when all that was happening, i personally thought the tax credit was premature given the situation and economy. look at where we are at now with it, usually there is a time limit like 10 years on those, like Stone's one with the aquarium. they didn't have the land and had the Leg passed the bills, that would have moved things to the next step with DHHL? or would they still have been given the runaround? we won't know now...

is this all as simple as the Democrats vs Republicans? i think they did care about HRP closing and the P9 deal and they still do. there was more money in it for them.

i'm curious to know what did Hanabusa care about? couldn't have been the racers... or she would have stood behind the tax credits like she did with Ko'Olina. she is quite the involved person over there, isn't she the one who brainstormed other plans for P9?

is her and Stone going to get those ships and make condo's out of them?

haven't heard anything about that innovative idea lately :rolleyes:

great post, Les :cool:

[udrivecrap]

can you answer me a question, Les? remember that time you drove over Mike to try and win.. was all this HRP drama crap happening or was it before that?

just curious, i guess i'm like many people out there, i want a race to be safe but i love a good crash...

must have been fun at HRP... cool car man.


http://b2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/01144/27/56/1144966572_l.jpg

rubbin is racing! hahahaha

[punishum]

rubbin is racing! hahahaha

Cool pic and insight there Davey Boy. Was Jokeland looking over your shoulder there telling you what to type?

IMO it looks like someone who knew better that was about to get LAPPED or RUN OVER by a superior Opponent to GET OUT of Da WAY.

Kinda like when someone needs to TAPOUT

[udrivecrap]

:) get outta da way old phut! ROFL

nah, Mike doesn't look over my shoulder and tell me what to post. he can't do that because i'm more intelligent than he is. :D

hahaha...

[punishum]

:) get outta da way old phut! ROFL

nah, Mike doesn't look over my shoulder and tell me what to post. he can't do that because i'm more intelligent than he is. :D

hahaha...

Brah U got me Rolling 2. U are Alright man. Take it in stride but working to get at the TRUTH.

[punishum]

when all that was happening, i personally thought the tax credit was premature given the situation and economy. look at where we are at now with it, usually there is a time limit like 10 years on those, like Stone's one with the aquarium. they didn't have the land and had the Leg passed the bills, that would have moved things to the next step with DHHL? or would they still have been given the runaround? we won't know now...

All of that TAX Credit just DIDN'T pop up in 2006. Your Old Phut Jokey was trying from 2004. It got shelved in 2004 AND 2005.
It was a BAD Idea to BENEFIT "1" Crooked Individual.

One of the strategies in 2005 that got the higher ups to stall the bill in CC and not to Cross Over was that the Aircraft Carrier being stationed here was not settled yet. They agreed. Jokey was PISSED. Mr. Sink was there testifying for the Tax Credits in 2005. If you REMEMBER Sink Boy on the bench outside of FIN Con Comm before you testified you were talking to a pretty lady with BIG tits, that was one of my reporters from PunishUM and i was sitting on the other side of you 2 as you 2 were talking. When she and I walked to the Con Room Jokey, Paul G and JK saw me. I wish I had my camera as they looked like they saw a ghost. Paul G even told me HI.

People like Hanabusa was all for the Tax Credits as Jokey's now defunct shop in Waipahu, the property was owned BY the Hanabusa family. So Jokeland HAD, the optimum word is HAD the Ins with Hanabusa.

Fast forward to 2006. At that point the reason WHY all the political types backed away, they ( Politicians ) realized that JOKEY Phut was LYING to them as evident in the ENTIRE taping I have before the Finance Committee as Jokeland was getting GRILLED, Lies, Lies and More LIES :eek: :eek:

The only ones who stood by him was Chang and Kanoho which Kanoho retired after that session and Chang lost "ALL" leadership posts.

Now at the same time across the street at City Hall as the council bills was being INTRODUCED ( which was all a FRONT ) to save HRP was before Cachola's committee. Mr. Sink, Electrician Boy and Watch Out for That TREE was MEETING with Council Members and SENDING in letters to BLOCK / KILL the BILLS to SAVE HRP. I got REP Kanoho in an interview saying,"I spoke to the Chair
( Cachola ) and the bills will not be heard."

Let me break it down for the IGNORANT, they had all of this planned well in ADVANCE. This is called COLLUSION.

PunishUM has been around now for 10 years and as Jokey boy can tell you I have been watching and documenting his DOG and PONY Show since the BRAC days from 1993. I was TELLING ALL Of you FAHKAHs from the 90's "The Prick Has No Clothes."
This is why GRAMPS and others who DON'T even know me hates me so MUCH.

I warned ALL you racers in a 2001 show which we will be showing AGAIN that is what this PRICK was gonna do. Shut Down HRP.
Every one of you I spoke to said " As LONG as I get one place for Race, AINOKEA."

Well GUESS WHAT, NOBODY get one place for RACE now :D :D

And now today. You know who is the common DENOMINATOR in ALL the race track SCAMS?

OMAC and your Boy, MR. SINK

Another DENOMINATOR is that Y'all BELIEVE the LIARS EVERYTIME

[udrivecrap]

wow.. now that is what i call "food for thought"... and i wanna throw up right now. :rolleyes:

thanks for bit of detail there. transparency is all too important in this day and age. history teaches people how not to make mistakes in the future.

i just wanna know (refresh my memory) who is Plumber Boy? i forgot.. :D

[LJW]

wow.. now that is what i call "food for thought"... and i wanna throw up right now. :rolleyes:

thanks for bit of detail there. transparency is all too important in this day and age. history teaches people how not to make mistakes in the future.

i just wanna know (refresh my memory) who is Plumber Boy? i forgot.. :D Isn't that Mike K? Screw that shit; I thought I read something about pretty and big tits? Pic's?

[udrivecrap]

yeah, pics or it didn't happen! :D

[punishum]

wow.. now that is what i call "food for thought"... and i wanna throw up right now. :rolleyes:

thanks for bit of detail there. transparency is all too important in this day and age. history teaches people how not to make mistakes in the future.

i just wanna know (refresh my memory) who is Plumber Boy? i forgot.. :D

This isn't even 1/1,000,000 of all of the SHADY crap that have gone down.

It would take a library to get it all down and have to make like a family tree to show all the SHADY connections.

Hmmmm, not a bad idea.

Electrician Boy ( oops, sorry NOT Plumber ) is the Go-Kart guy. You can see his negative testimony to block HRP here on this site too.

Tried to get an interview with Rep. Theilen as she was the one who introduced information to her colleagues at one of the conference hearings when Jokey's FREE Money bill was making its hearings of similar tax credit bills on the mainland was getting hauled into court.

Rep Theilen was all for the on camera interview and then when I got to her office with my camera she was as rude as can be.
Come to find out the Reps office manager is Mr. Plumber's sister or sister in law.

Even after all the good stories I did on his kart club, went into meetings with them like with the FAA to use Barbers Point to support the effort etc. they turn on you. You gotta watch your back cause they will turn on you in a nano second.

You know the story about the frog, the scorpion and the river right? Same smell.

You gotta know the players and how they are connected.

Lot of politicians going become civilians next year.

Like I told one politician many years ago, "Fine but in 4 years I still going be here trying to do this and YOU not."

It is Cyclical. Hopefully we can get in people who will support racing like Mike Wilcox and many more like him into offices next year.

[dirt racer]

never mind about the variances and non-existant sewers and the land owner wanting to sell... i'm sure they could have kept it open for a bit longer... especially if they had purchased it. then they could have just tried to keep it there after dumping millions into that less than 70 acre parcel.


Hmmm, seems like we've heard those excuses before. IIRC, the variance expired in 05, so they were already operating without one. Were they getting fined for that? Or could they have applied for another variance? According to City Council they could have applied and never did.

The EPA cesspool ruling affected individual homeowners as well. If homeowners could afford to hook-up, why can't a million dollar commercial operation? Besides, Grace was giving them free portable toilets to use, so that was just another lame excuse.

And Campbell wanting to sell? Here's what Campbell Estate had to say about the situation:


"This is a decision made by Hawai'i Raceway Park and was not caused by
Campbell Estate," estate spokeswoman Theresia McMurdo said. "We have
not asked Hawai'i Raceway Park to leave and in fact we have been
extending the lease."

Doesn't sound to me like they were being forced out, and the leaseholders had the first option. No one COULD have come in to buy it from under them if they wanted to.

Should they have kept the property instead of selling it? They never had to buy the property they could have kept leasing it. And if they wanted to buy it, 13 million for 67 acres is about the best deal anyone has gotten for a long time on Oahu. Part of the logic for Campbell selling so low was the benefit to the community in keeping an operational race track on the island. Campbell was quite shocked to learn that they were shopping the contract out for a quick profit.

Tax credits and P9? What exactly is the precedent for having the State hand over $50 million and 139 acres to a company just because they asked for it?

The bottom line is, everyone that testified at the Capitol in support of the tax credits. Or testified at City Hall against the condemnation, got played like a piano.

The Irongate deal went through. The leaseholders got their $5 million. P9 was never more than a convenient diversion. The racers lost their track through their own stupidity.

[dirt racer]

I thought I read something about pretty and big tits? Pic's?

I guess the forum is worth a visit now and then eh?

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g14/dirt_racer/ct2.jpg

[punishum]

I guess the forum is worth a visit now and then eh?

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g14/dirt_racer/ct2.jpg

Thanks Les and for the Perv and Davey that REALLY is the pic of her.

PunishUM reporter Christy Tseu who now lives in Washington.

That is who Sink BOY was lucky enough to get to talk to. And sell his BS too.

Not EVERYONE is Stopid. Some are allergic to BS.

[udrivecrap]

dang! i just lost my train of thought... are those real? :confused:

[udrivecrap]

This isn't even 1/1,000,000 of all of the SHADY crap that have gone down.

It would take a library to get it all down and have to make like a family tree to show all the SHADY connections.

Hmmmm, not a bad idea.

Electrician Boy ( oops, sorry NOT Plumber ) is the Go-Kart guy. You can see his negative testimony to block HRP here on this site too.

Tried to get an interview with Rep. Theilen as she was the one who introduced information to her colleagues at one of the conference hearings when Jokey's FREE Money bill was making its hearings of similar tax credit bills on the mainland was getting hauled into court.

Rep Theilen was all for the on camera interview and then when I got to her office with my camera she was as rude as can be.
Come to find out the Reps office manager is Mr. Plumber's sister or sister in law.

Even after all the good stories I did on his kart club, went into meetings with them like with the FAA to use Barbers Point to support the effort etc. they turn on you. You gotta watch your back cause they will turn on you in a nano second.

You know the story about the frog, the scorpion and the river right? Same smell.

You gotta know the players and how they are connected.

Lot of politicians going become civilians next year.

Like I told one politician many years ago, "Fine but in 4 years I still going be here trying to do this and YOU not."

It is Cyclical. Hopefully we can get in people who will support racing like Mike Wilcox and many more like him into offices next year.
well... that's good that you'll still be trying. that means you have it in your heart.

i wonder how that tree would look, horizontal or vertical? haha.

[udrivecrap]

Hmmm, seems like we've heard those excuses before. IIRC, the variance expired in 05, so they were already operating without one. Were they getting fined for that? Or could they have applied for another variance? According to City Council they could have applied and never did.

The EPA cesspool ruling affected individual homeowners as well. If homeowners could afford to hook-up, why can't a million dollar commercial operation? Besides, Grace was giving them free portable toilets to use, so that was just another lame excuse.

And Campbell wanting to sell? Here's what Campbell Estate had to say about the situation:



Doesn't sound to me like they were being forced out, and the leaseholders had the first option. No one COULD have come in to buy it from under them if they wanted to.

Should they have kept the property instead of selling it? They never had to buy the property they could have kept leasing it. And if they wanted to buy it, 13 million for 67 acres is about the best deal anyone has gotten for a long time on Oahu. Part of the logic for Campbell selling so low was the benefit to the community in keeping an operational race track on the island. Campbell was quite shocked to learn that they were shopping the contract out for a quick profit.

Tax credits and P9? What exactly is the precedent for having the State hand over $50 million and 139 acres to a company just because they asked for it?

The bottom line is, everyone that testified at the Capitol in support of the tax credits. Or testified at City Hall against the condemnation, got played like a piano.

The Irongate deal went through. The leaseholders got their $5 million. P9 was never more than a convenient diversion. The racers lost their track through their own stupidity.
Campbell was just being polite. price is relative. location location location. :D here we are talking about millions and millions. what kind of racetrack is it? shouldn't cost that much, right? how much is P24 gonna cost?

i understood that the tax credit was designed specifically for a motorsports complex on P9. they just don't give the old dude a cool $50mill and some land, he's gotta do stuff to get it. stuff for the racers.

i didn't see anyone else with a solid plan and a good place to go that can acommodate everyone.... so they didn't want the old place and they wanted a bigger one that would ultimately benefit the entire racing industry on this island. is that wrong? probably not...

and no i'm not kissing his ass this is just purely discussion based on different opinions :D

[udrivecrap]

I guess the forum is worth a visit now and then eh?

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g14/dirt_racer/ct2.jpg

yeah they look fake but it doesn't matter :cool:

[punishum]

i wonder how that tree would look, horizontal or vertical? haha.

LOL, that depends if you were the one SCREWING Someone or you were the one GETTIN' SCREWED :eek: :eek:

[dirt racer]

so they didn't want the old place and they wanted a bigger one that would ultimately benefit the entire racing industry on this island. is that wrong? probably not...


There's certainly nothing wrong with wanting a bigger place and wanting to help the racing industry. I think it's important that we all remember what exactly happened. They closed the track down and sold it. They then led a lobbying effort against the racers' efforts to save the track. Not having a track at all has certainly not benefited the racing industry on Oahu - it has destroyed it. We're going on 4 years now without HRP, and with no definite replacement in sight.

And whatever happened to P9? Wasn't that supposed to be the lifelong goal of lifelong racing enthusiasts? They succeeded in keeping HRP closed, why did the give up on P9? Weren't they supposed to use the money they got from HRP to build a new track? Or was it the fantasy of P9 was only necessary until the HRP deal with Irongate went through. Once they got their money, there was no longer any need to bullshit the racers.

[punishum]

There's certainly nothing wrong with wanting a bigger place and wanting to help the racing industry. I think it's important that we all remember what exactly happened. They closed the track down and sold it. They then led a lobbying effort against the racers' efforts to save the track. Not having a track at all has certainly not benefited the racing industry on Oahu - it has destroyed it. We're going on 4 years now without HRP, and with no definite replacement in sight.

And whatever happened to P9? Wasn't that supposed to be the lifelong goal of lifelong racing enthusiasts? They succeeded in keeping HRP closed, why did the give up on P9? Weren't they supposed to use the money they got from HRP to build a new track? Or was it the fantasy of P9 was only necessary until the HRP deal with Irongate went through. Once they got their money, there was no longer any need to bullshit the racers.

Dude, ENOUGH Already. I am FRICKEN TIRED of going around and around and around and around the
Same FRAKKEN Tree :mad: :mad:

It is Damn Ground Hogs DAY, they are TOO Stopid to realize Jokeland SCREWED EVERYBODY :( :(

THERE WAS NEVER GOING TO BE A WCF

For Somebody who wanted to be called GRAMPS, he SCREWED all the KIDS and EVERYBODY else TOO.

What a SICK BASTARD

[dirt racer]

Dude, ENOUGH Already. I am FRICKEN TIRED of going around and around and around and around the
Same FRAKKEN Tree :mad: :mad:


"Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it."

We need to keep the facts out there lest they forget.:D

[udrivecrap]

actually, i agree with both of you.

there's nothing happening with P9 right now. IMO, a WCF is just too huge of a goal being that we are hindered by demographics. it would take more than 10 years to complete and we would need affordable modes of overseas transportation.

yeah, we've gone through this all before, great discussion though. :cool:

[punishum]

there's nothing happening with P9 right now. IMO, a WCF is just too huge of a goal being that we are hindered by demographics. it would take more than 10 years to complete

JOKELAND had been trying for more than 20 years.

It will take more than 50 years and a PLAN.

ALL THESE CLOWNS HAVE NO PLAN Or a CLUE & A CAR SHOW to FURTHER CONFUSE AND "LIE" About NO PROGRESS IS NOT IT

[LJW]

Thanks Les and for the Perv and Davey that REALLY is the pic of her.

PunishUM reporter Christy Tseu who now lives in Washington.

That is who Sink BOY was lucky enough to get to talk to. And sell his BS too.

Not EVERYONE is Stopid. Some are allergic to BS.

So now I'm a perv?

[punishum]

So now I'm a perv?

AHAHAHAHAHAHAha . . . . Everyone enjoys SEX but YOU are OBSESSED with it :rolleyes:

[punishum]

Hey Y'all, I have a Question to ask.

What is "THE" DUMBEST thing Y'ALL Ever Heard Of?

Is it:

A ) P 9 will be a World Class Facility

B ) P 24 will be the new Raceway

C ) Rally "X" will actually be the next BIG thing

D ) That the YETI in the freezer was REAL

[LJW]

Hey Y'all, I have a Question to ask.

What is "THE" DUMBEST thing Y'ALL Ever Heard Of?

Is it:

A ) P 9 will be a World Class Facility

B ) P 24 will be the new Raceway

C ) Rally "X" will actually be the next BIG thing

D ) That the YETI in the freezer was REAL

E) ParadiseCruisers forum is run by real men.

[dirt racer]

Hey Y'all, I have a Question to ask.

What is "THE" DUMBEST thing Y'ALL Ever Heard Of?

Is it:

A ) P 9 will be a World Class Facility

B ) P 24 will be the new Raceway

C ) Rally "X" will actually be the next BIG thing

D ) That the YETI in the freezer was REAL

The "Yeti in the freezer" was more real than those other "projects". That's pretty bad.

[dirt racer]

E) ParadiseCruisers forum is run by real men.

I'm sure (at least I hope anyway) the people running that site are smart enough to know that there isn't any new track being built. Regardless of what "OMAC" says.

But when you've got posters that start a thread saying "Whatever happened to the track that was supposed to be getting built?" - they're beyond help. There's no point in trying to explain anything to them.

[punishum]

What else I don't think the "SHEEP" realize is that aside from D ) Mr. Sink has been the "Spokesperson", Baghdad BoB what ever for "ALL of the ABOVE".

Paints the Rosy Picture and the Opposite is what Occurs.

NOTHING

How LONG is "BUILD the Charade" going to Continue?

[punishum]

E) ParadiseCruisers forum is run by real men.

Now, Now, "NO Name Calling" before you get Kicked Outta the Family.

You wouldn't want that to happen now do you?

And Gramps, STFU,

You Caused the Train Wreck.

Nobody wants to hear any more CRAP coming outta your Stink Pie Hole.

Cause it Ain't Wisdom. The only thing you can school anybody on is "How to Rip Everyone Off and then Screw them In the ASS W/out any Lubricant."

You Caused enough Problems Already You Fricken Old Coot.

[punishum]

This PRESS RELEASE just in MINUTES AGO.

STATEMENT ON APPOINTMENT OF MICAH KANE AS
KAMEHAMEHA SCHOOLS TRUSTEE

“I’m very happy that Micah has been selected as a Kamehameha Schools trustee. I have worked closely with Micah for the past 11 years, and have watched him develop into one of Hawai‘i’s finest and most respected leaders. He has the skills and experience, combined with the heart and compassion, to serve as a trustee of this valued organization that is of such great importance to Hawaiians and non-Hawaiians alike.

“I am confident that Micah will do an outstanding job carrying out the will of Princess Bernice Pauahi Bishop in overseeing the governance of Kamehameha Schools, which is among the most important institutions for perpetuating Hawaiian culture for future generations while preparing Hawaiian students for the 21st century.”

So now HOW GOES P24 ? ? ? ? ?

The month 2 month lease expired on June 30th and HAS NOT BEEN RENEWED and now someone NEW will be heading up DHHL.

Care to comment on HOW U HAVE IT ALL UNDER CONTROL, Jr BOY or Mr. Sink ? ? ? ?

[punishum]

the simple reason there is no track and won't be one in the near future, is because the people who want to stop anyone -other than themselves or those they choose to support - from moving forward on a project are working harder and are more effective and committed than the rest of us.

If the rest of you put in 1/5th the effort that Mike K puts it, I'm confident you'd be seeing some results.

Easy to sit on the side and bitch - or "not choose sides" but take much more effort to get off your ass and do something.

There simply isn't enough effort by the people who say they want a track to get anything done or get the wheels of progress moving more quickly.

#00 Woooo, Woooo, Wait a minute GEORGE ( watch out for that Tree ). You TALKING ABOUT YOURSELF?

When the FIGHT TO SAVE HRP YOU SENT IN THE TESTIMONY against it REMEMBER.

Link to Fred Humphrey's NEGATIVE Testimony: http://www4.honolulu.gov/docushare/dsweb/Get/Document-64473/2f7w8z6_.pdf

YOU ARE one of "THE MAIN" reason why we HAVE NO TRACK .

Where as 67 acres was WAY TO SMALL but 9 acres @ P 24 is JUST Right huh?

Now HRP sits in FORECLOSURE and BACHI, IRONGATE is getting SUED over their TRUMP WAIKIKI Project AFTER they Screwed buyers in a SIMILAR Baja Cali. Deal.

Love Your AVATAR, Robin.

[dirt racer]

the simple reason there is no track and won't be one in the near future, is because the people who want to stop anyone -other than themselves or those they choose to support - from moving forward on a project are working harder and are more effective and committed than the rest of us.

If the rest of you put in 1/5th the effort that Mike K puts it, I'm confident you'd be seeing some results.

Easy to sit on the side and bitch - or "not choose sides" but take much more effort to get off your ass and do something.

There simply isn't enough effort by the people who say they want a track to get anything done or get the wheels of progress moving more quickly.

#00


Wow that's some serious bullshit right there. The reason P24 never happened is because your "Developer" doesn't have the money for the bond. You were never able to get the permits. A simple phone call to DHHL or DPP will reveal this truth, as it's a matter of public record. How did anyone else "stop" you all from getting the required permits?

And in a serious case of the pot calling the kettle black, it was you and your idiot friends that killed the best chance of getting a track going on Oahu. How is it Maui, Kauai, and the Big Island Counties can all have tracks yet Oahu (with the largest population and income) can't?

Perhaps it's because of testimony like this from the "racers"?



http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g14/dirt_racer/HRRAtestimony.jpg

[udrivecrap]

honestly, guys... the State of Hawaii is aprehensive in entering the racing industry. not only is the money not there for it, i believe its the liability that turns them away.

if saving HRP was the best chance at getting a racetrack, then there was no real chance in getting it. remember the estimates on how much it would cost? they were close because it was privately owned land. you all were there, the writing was on the wall.

they (the State) favors private development. it would have been much more practical for the State to give up land like the feed lot and then spend much less on development than it would have been to just acquire the land under the old HRP.

actually, it would have been much cheaper for the State to influence DHHL to complete the land swap transaction. but, unfortunately, by helping to beat the old coot down at the capitol... it sure looks like it ruined the "best" chance at getting a racetrack in this decade.

and do you think the State gives a crap about the racers?

[udrivecrap]

also, on the subject of HRP (boy you guys sure know how to jack a thread) :D ...

can you answer from your perspective as to why the COST STUDY bill failed?

i mean, the road to a public facility is a long one, that bill should have passed after the $1 million was earmarked. did someone tell you guys that the bill will hurt the negotiations for P24?

in the interests of the "racers" i would think that bill should have passed regardless. it is a step in the process. :cool:

[punishum]

actually, it would have been much cheaper for the State to influence DHHL to complete the land swap transaction. but, unfortunately, by helping to beat the old coot down at the capitol... it sure looks like it ruined the "best" chance at getting a racetrack in this decade.

and do you think the State gives a crap about the racers?

The OLD COOT, Jokey BOY did it to himself. You know why? He had a LOT of the legislators on his side. A lot of clout to circumvent the Sunshine Law.

They DID NOT LIKE GETTING LIED TOO, let me say it again

THEY DID NOT LIKE GETTING LIED TO.

The STATE DO NOT give a CRAP about RACERS cause the
RACERS DO NOT GIVE A CRAP ABOUT THEMSELVES.

[punishum]

Also Dave, have you been paying attention and quit taking FREE beers from perverse old men. Milwaukee Light, EUUUuuuuwe.

NONE of these projects were EVER going to HAPPEN.

Just like P24. New DHHL leadership, MORE BS.

If u can't get BONDED, you will NEVER get the permits.

An Freddie Boy, why'd you leave the NHB? Politics from the inside was 2 much 4 U

[dirt racer]

honestly, guys... the State of Hawaii is aprehensive in entering the racing industry. not only is the money not there for it, i believe its the liability that turns them away.

Better check your facts there Bubba. Kauai IS a State owned facility. The Big Island and Maui tracks (while County owned) were given land by the State. And let's not forget that the State DID purchase and own HRP a few years back. Waihee purchased it (and the Feedlot) for your buddies IIRC. I guess condemnation was OK back then huh? And there is a specific State law that deals with motorsports liability and protects the landowner. And yes they DID have the money at the time. The State had a $700 million surplus.


if saving HRP was the best chance at getting a racetrack, then there was no real chance in getting it. remember the estimates on how much it would cost? they were close because it was privately owned land. you all were there, the writing was on the wall.

Yeah I remember Gary Okino saying the land was worth $67 million. Strange estimate given the fact that the landowner was asking $50 million with no takers. Now they've dropped their price to $25 million and still no takers. A commodity is only worth what you can sell it for. Why don't you call the lenders and ask them how much money they've lost so far (and continue to lose) while (what was) a usable track goes to waste year after year. The HRP deal is a perfect example of what greed and poor regulation can do to a community. The State/County should have stepped in and done what was best for the community. The politicians involved were more interested in campaign contributions they got from the "developers".



they (the State) favors private development. it would have been much more practical for the State to give up land like the feed lot and then spend much less on development than it would have been to just acquire the land under the old HRP.

Sure the State would rather not spend a dime on Oahu racers. The question is, why do the racers accept that position? How is it the State can spend $20 million on a soccer park that generates no income. Or maintains 6 public golf courses when there's 40+ private ones? $50 million was spent on CORP which generates NO income. That much money spent on a racetrack could have provided a new tourist attraction.


actually, it would have been much cheaper for the State to influence DHHL to complete the land swap transaction. but, unfortunately, by helping to beat the old coot down at the capitol... it sure looks like it ruined the "best" chance at getting a racetrack in this decade.

and do you think the State gives a crap about the racers?

Oakland's plan had zero chance. What exactly is the precedent for the State handing over $50 million + 139 acres of prime industrial land just because someone asks for it? At least when Waihee purchased the track for the partnership it was State owned land. He didn't just trade the land to them for some beads (that was probably the next step lol).

[dirt racer]

also, on the subject of HRP (boy you guys sure know how to jack a thread) :D ...

can you answer from your perspective as to why the COST STUDY bill failed?

i mean, the road to a public facility is a long one, that bill should have passed after the $1 million was earmarked. did someone tell you guys that the bill will hurt the negotiations for P24?

in the interests of the "racers" i would think that bill should have passed regardless. it is a step in the process. :cool:

The $1 million that was allocated was specifically to help the County purchase HRP. Since the County did not go ahead with the purchase, the money went back into the general fund.

When that bill first came out everyone from SORT went down to support it. It failed because the Legislature decided not to allocate any money for it in 2007. The study itself would have cost several hundred thousand at least.

The Bill was altered in 2008 from a cost study to a Bill that would have required the State to go through their inventory and allocate a parcel for racing. The Bill passed conference and required no funding. Hanabusa killed it because she supported P24 as the only property needed for the racers.

[punishum]

i mean, the road to a public facility is a long one, that bill should have passed after the $1 million was earmarked. did someone tell you guys that the bill will hurt the negotiations for P24?

Did YOU Get THAT DAVE

Hanabusa killed it because she supported P24 as the only property needed for the racers.

You are SUCH DUMB ASSES, YOU BELIEVE everything BUT THE TRUTH and FACTs.

Let me reiterate ( Look UM up ) Hanabusa killed it because she supported P24 as the only property needed for the racers.

GOD I love 2010 . . . A LOT Of these Corrupt Politicians GOING BE CIVILIANS on November 16th.

You AIN'T seen NOTHING YET, HEHEHEHEHEH

[udrivecrap]

LOL... thanks for the replies. yeah i know about the other islands and their tracks, i should have directed my comment towards the island of Oahu.

well, guys, i guess we should take Kane and Hanabusa off of the Christmas list. eh? :D haha

[udrivecrap]

The OLD COOT, Jokey BOY did it to himself. You know why? He had a LOT of the legislators on his side. A lot of clout to circumvent the Sunshine Law.

They DID NOT LIKE GETTING LIED TOO, let me say it again

THEY DID NOT LIKE GETTING LIED TO.
obviously he didn't have ENOUGH on his side. LOL.

The STATE DO NOT give a CRAP about RACERS cause the
RACERS DO NOT GIVE A CRAP ABOUT THEMSELVES.
the State is too busy trying to keep up with the times let alone care about racers... oh wait, they care about bicycle racing on the streets enough to distinguish it from drag racing.. and they even permit it to happen.

someone should change that law, especially with no racetrack. allow general forms of racing to take place with proper approval and permits. but then that would contradict the whole campaign against street racing and trying to get rid of it. maybe this is like the war on drugs.

[udrivecrap]

Also Dave, have you been paying attention and quit taking FREE beers from perverse old men. Milwaukee Light, EUUUuuuuwe.

NONE of these projects were EVER going to HAPPEN.
cheap beer gives me a headache. cheap projects do that too.

[udrivecrap]

Better check your facts there Bubba. Kauai IS a State owned facility. The Big Island and Maui tracks (while County owned) were given land by the State. And let's not forget that the State DID purchase and own HRP a few years back. Waihee purchased it (and the Feedlot) for your buddies IIRC. I guess condemnation was OK back then huh? And there is a specific State law that deals with motorsports liability and protects the landowner. And yes they DID have the money at the time. The State had a $700 million surplus.
those small counties have that because its so small. all you need is what, 2 people to want a track? haha.. seriously, everybody is related over there.


Yeah I remember Gary Okino saying the land was worth $67 million. Strange estimate given the fact that the landowner was asking $50 million with no takers. Now they've dropped their price to $25 million and still no takers. A commodity is only worth what you can sell it for. Why don't you call the lenders and ask them how much money they've lost so far (and continue to lose) while (what was) a usable track goes to waste year after year. The HRP deal is a perfect example of what greed and poor regulation can do to a community. The State/County should have stepped in and done what was best for the community. The politicians involved were more interested in campaign contributions they got from the "developers".
lol.. you saw that on tv? dayum... what's Donald gonna do now? fight with Oprah? donate to politicians? :eek:



Sure the State would rather not spend a dime on Oahu racers. The question is, why do the racers accept that position? How is it the State can spend $20 million on a soccer park that generates no income. Or maintains 6 public golf courses when there's 40+ private ones? $50 million was spent on CORP which generates NO income. That much money spent on a racetrack could have provided a new tourist attraction.
that is a great question. agreed.

Oakland's plan had zero chance. What exactly is the precedent for the State handing over $50 million + 139 acres of prime industrial land just because someone asks for it? At least when Waihee purchased the track for the partnership it was State owned land. He didn't just trade the land to them for some beads (that was probably the next step lol).
they swap for it and "hand over" a tax credit worth $50 mill. that's quite of bit of money to spend on a racetrack, no? that's twice the size of HRP, no?

what kine beads do they accept? LOL :D

[udrivecrap]

The $1 million that was allocated was specifically to help the County purchase HRP. Since the County did not go ahead with the purchase, the money went back into the general fund.

When that bill first came out everyone from SORT went down to support it. It failed because the Legislature decided not to allocate any money for it in 2007. The study itself would have cost several hundred thousand at least.

The Bill was altered in 2008 from a cost study to a Bill that would have required the State to go through their inventory and allocate a parcel for racing. The Bill passed conference and required no funding. Hanabusa killed it because she supported P24 as the only property needed for the racers.
:rolleyes: oh...... i bet they would have allocated the FEED LOT.

[udrivecrap]

Did YOU Get THAT DAVE



You are SUCH DUMB ASSES, YOU BELIEVE everything BUT THE TRUTH and FACTs.

Let me reiterate ( Look UM up ) Hanabusa killed it because she supported P24 as the only property needed for the racers.

GOD I love 2010 . . . A LOT Of these Corrupt Politicians GOING BE CIVILIANS on November 16th.

You AIN'T seen NOTHING YET, HEHEHEHEHEH
yep, got it. LOL :D

[udrivecrap]

wow... slow down on the posting, that was too involved. ok your guys turn. :o

[dirt racer]

cheap beer gives me a headache. cheap projects do that too.

Speaking of which, how's that Feedlot project coming along? Now that P24 is officially dead, perhaps the State should be looking at something else. :rolleyes:

[punishum]

cheap beer gives me a headache. cheap projects do that too.

I Understand FREE Drinks ( That is why ELECTRA works for some with the "SAFETY Meetings". ) BUT Why YoU still hanging out and accepting Headache BEER from GRAMPS THEN?

And why YOU listening to SINK BOI then?

Fix your car Davy Boi and let me know when U doing something.

Ehhh, I found some guy who is putting together a FULL ON Nitro FC over HERE. I miss NITRO and the HP that guys here who think they are the SHITS wouldn't Understand. More HP in a hydraulicd cylinder then in their best FULL run w/ a Blown BB on Alky. Especially when you GET into areas where DAMN Few Peeps get access 2.

[punishum]

obviously he didn't have ENOUGH on his side. LOL.


No Davy, JOKELAND GOT STOPPED because JOKEY Ole Man GOT CAUGHT LYING.

Get it through Your THICK SKULL, LYING is BAD

[udrivecrap]

Speaking of which, how's that Feedlot project coming along? Now that P24 is officially dead, perhaps the State should be looking at something else. :rolleyes:
yeah... like P9. :eek:

[udrivecrap]

I Understand FREE Drinks ( That is why ELECTRA works for some with the "SAFETY Meetings". ) BUT Why YoU still hanging out and accepting Headache BEER from GRAMPS THEN?
i think you meant Electro's. Electra is that extremely hot chick. i don't go to Electro's because the place smells like sperm and body juices. the carpet has all kinds of stains on it. i know, i've been there before.
And why YOU listening to SINK BOI then?
listening to him? what is he saying? he don't tell me sh*t.. lol

Fix your car Davy Boi and let me know when U doing something.

Ehhh, I found some guy who is putting together a FULL ON Nitro FC over HERE. I miss NITRO and the HP that guys here who think they are the SHITS wouldn't Understand. More HP in a hydraulicd cylinder then in their best FULL run w/ a Blown BB on Alky. Especially when you GET into areas where DAMN Few Peeps get access 2.
yeah, i am. unfortunately i'm on a time restriction and i'm just about finished with this camaro... for now. it wasn't clear which path this vehicle will go. it looks like its going full race. i'll take some pics to share. i've got two projects waiting which is why i never got back to you. there is still a lot of work to be done on this monster to become race ready. i work on it when i have a chance.... like today. :D

NITRO is bad ass. my buddy goes up to Pamona every year. he always wants me to go, but that's where i came from, i'd have to visit all kinds of family and friends. LOL

[udrivecrap]

No Davy, JOKELAND GOT STOPPED because JOKEY Ole Man GOT CAUGHT LYING.

Get it through Your THICK SKULL, LYING is BAD
yes, got it. Oakland is a liar. LOL. personally i choose to live my life where i don't need to lie. not only did i take an oath, but because if you do, you can confuse what is real and what is your make believe world that roses bloom in blue and your sh*t don't stink. :D

[udrivecrap]

oh yes, if anyone wants to know where i took my oath. it was at the hall of justice. i am the invisible man. i was told Les stole my motorcycle.. hahahahaha :D

[punishum]

I cannot even reply so Ron White said it best:

"YOU CAN"T FIX STOOOOPID . . ."

And ALL you ( wanna B ) racers R.

[zerozero]

An Freddie Boy, why'd you leave the NHB? Politics from the inside was 2 much 4 U

I was only in for one term - everybody knew that going in. I was there - did my time and on to something else.

I am not involved with P24 - haven't been for a long time now. I don't know or care what is going on - but my suspicion is it's still the same. George is not my developer - he's a big boy, he can deal with his own issues. You guys all know him better than I do and have worked with him more than I have.

There's other "irons in the fire" - something will happen one day, and I'm not in a rush. Racing bikes (crashing mostly) is not kind to older bodies and I have no interest in racing something with 4 wheels - it's not the same - BORING and too safe.

Tracey -

have YOU ever held public office?

you should try it - it's a rewarding experience that teaches you alot about the govenment process and it's limitations.

of course it's always easier to sit on your computer and bash someone - that's why everyone does it.

You guys take care now - keep you chin up - and remember - at least you have each other.

And I'll keep hoping a comet falls out of the fukking sky and lands on you

Aloha
zerozero

[dirt racer]

I am not involved with P24 - haven't been for a long time now. I don't know or care what is going on

If that's the case, then you shouldn't be posting shit like this:


the simple reason there is no track and won't be one in the near future, is because the people who want to stop anyone -other than themselves or those they choose to support - from moving forward on a project are working harder and are more effective and committed than the rest of us.


Sure there's people out there that don't want Grace to succeed. He's done a good job at turning some people against him. Including some very powerful people. But DPP has to operate within the law, or they could get sued. They couldn't get the permits because they don't have the money for the bonding, that's the facts. Anything else is bullshit, which there is a great deal of in this "racing community". Including what you all did to help promote it. You were handing out that bullshit layout that went off the property into a Federally protected wildlife habitat! Then you've got the drag strip "extended" into a known Hawaiian burial site! No consideration for the cultural sites, or the historic bunkers. Mike knew about those issues at the time, he's just dishonest. Just like he was dishonest about whether a drag strip could be there when he knew it couldn't. You all just needed a fancy diagram so you could sign up supporters for "your side". No one ever stopped to think about how much the project was going to cost, or where the money was coming from. It was all bullshit from the get go. Almost as much bullshit as MO's P9. Kinda hard to top that one!

[dirt racer]

And another thing Fred,

This is what you wrote in your testimony that helped kill the Resolution to save HRP at City Council:


We may support acquiring the old Hawaii Raceway Park property as a last resort but feel at this time that other, more promising options are still available.


Seeing now that was 3 YEARS AGO, I guess those "more promising" options weren't that promising now were they? Another case of you not knowing what you were talking about. OMAC has done about as much damage to the racing community as MO has.

[dirt racer]

No Davy, JOKELAND GOT STOPPED because JOKEY Ole Man GOT CAUGHT LYING.

Get it through Your THICK SKULL, LYING is BAD

This is true, he did get caught lying. He was telling everyone that the lease on the property wouldn't be extended so the track was closing down. Unfortunately for him, certain legislators were keen enough to check into these facts for themselves. Instead of the landowner not wanting to extend the lease, what they found was that Oakland had a contract to purchase the property, and then sold the contract for a quick $5 million profit.

In my conversations with legislators at the time, they mentioned their unease with the HMC partnership. In fact one of them told me "Look, if we give them Parcel 9, then it will become private property. They could just turn around and sell it, they wouldn't have to build a racetrack there." So even before it was found out that Chang was offering up HIS land for the exchange. (Meaning he would be profiting from the Bill that HE introduced.) The decision had already been made to kill the Bill. It would have been killed in conference had it made it that far.

[udrivecrap]

i think a really good question to ask is... why can't anyone just go and build a track on Oahu? why was saving HRP the "only" hope? is operating a racetrack that much of a headache? for real, is it?

67 acres must have been HUGE in 1964... however, there is no escaping the future. the racers will need much more room regardless of where you put it. for proof of what i say, check back and see what the population was in 1964. then let me know :D

[udrivecrap]

ok, its kinda hard to google that. how about this instead:

http://www.census.gov/population/projections/state/9525rank/hiprsrel.txt

today we have approximately 900,000 people over the age of 18. in 2025 it is projected to increase to 1.3 million. which is the population projection for 2000. i'd say they were pretty close and will be.

now you know why they are building so much homes. you're welcome for that information LOL.

[punishum]

i think a really good question to ask is... why can't anyone just go and build a track on Oahu? why was saving HRP the "only" hope? is operating a racetrack that much of a headache? for real, is it?

Because YOU CAN'T. Are you that BRAIN DEAD or is it Stoopid ? ?

"3" years already, OVER "3" YEARS. Keep Building your cars that will GO NOW WHERE. YOU CAN'T afford 2 go race on the outer islands. So where you GOIN DAVY BOI ? ? ?

67 acres must have been HUGE in 1964... however, there is no escaping the future. the racers will need much more room regardless of where you put it. for proof of what i say, check back and see what the population was in 1964. then let me know :D

Where you going to get the LAND. And DON'T say P9 cause it AIN'T Happening, Not as LONG AS THERE IS AN FAA, P9 WILL NEVER EVER HAPPEN.

[punishum]

I am not involved with P24 - haven't been for a long time now. I don't know or care what is going on - but my suspicion is it's still the same. George is not my developer - he's a big boy, he can deal with his own issues. You guys all know him better than I do and have worked with him more than I have.

But you still Smooching SINK Bois ass though. Support Sink if you all did 1/5 as much as he has. What, DIVIDE and BS

There's other "irons in the fire" - something will happen one day, and I'm not in a rush. Racing bikes (crashing mostly) is not kind to older bodies and I have no interest in racing something with 4 wheels - it's not the same - BORING and too safe.

Irons? What Irons, You are NOT a LEADER, Only a COCK BLOCKER, Get REAL

Tracey -

have YOU ever held public office?

Yeah, this is my "5th" term on the Aiea NHB. One term and your da Kine already Hurts

you should try it - it's a rewarding experience that teaches you alot about the govenment process and it's limitations.

Then you ought to know then what ever ploy you are scheming has NO Chance then.

of course it's always easier to sit on your computer and bash someone - that's why everyone does it.

You ought to know, You and Sink Boi wrote the book. When the shins start flying you'll be no where in sight as Always.


And I'll keep hoping a comet falls out of the fukking sky and lands on you

THanks, at least I know you are thinking of me. SMOOCH

[udrivecrap]

Because YOU CAN'T. Are you that BRAIN DEAD or is it Stoopid ? ?
LOL... that's not a good enough answer.
"3" years already, OVER "3" YEARS. Keep Building your cars that will GO NOW WHERE. YOU CAN'T afford 2 go race on the outer islands. So where you GOIN DAVY BOI ? ? ?
yeah, i can afford to watch on the other islands. racing at the stadium is all i got.... oh and H1,H2 & H3 :D
Where you going to get the LAND. And DON'T say P9 cause it AIN'T Happening, Not as LONG AS THERE IS AN FAA, P9 WILL NEVER EVER HAPPEN.
well, i wasn't thinking of P9 specifically... my point was, regardless of where you put it there will be a need for more land based on our population growth.

[LJW]

Dave, this is the problem with you and your buddies; BIGGER,BIGGER and BIGGER. Nobody cares how many people (racers) can fit in one place. What's the most people you ever seen at HRP in one night? I've seen more than 2000. The truth is Dave, and remember this now, the location of HRP is the one and only place that will house the racers, PERIOD. If MO didn't think we could get it back, he wouldn't have dug up the return road then, right? The thing is Dave, if EVERYBODY were to get behind saving HRP, it would be a stronger movement and as you know, it only takes a couple idiots, not to mention names, but all the people that post on ParadiseCruisers, to ruin it for all of us.

[udrivecrap]

me and my buddies? oh boy that narrows it down... lol. not all of my buddies share the same opinion. ;)

that is more the response i was looking for. thanks Leo! :D

[dirt racer]

i think a really good question to ask is... why can't anyone just go and build a track on Oahu? why was saving HRP the "only" hope? is operating a racetrack that much of a headache? for real, is it?

67 acres must have been HUGE in 1964... however, there is no escaping the future. the racers will need much more room regardless of where you put it. for proof of what i say, check back and see what the population was in 1964. then let me know :D

You wrote in your testimony that we need some 300 acres. You of all people should realize that there aren't any industrial properties available that size on Oahu. Changing the LUO is a non-starter, we did ask about that. In fact, HRP is that largest lot of the market right now at 67 acres. If the clear zone were also leased we could have 110 acres (same size as the feedlot).

Now that we're going on 4 YEARS with no track I would hope that you all would FINALLY realize that the resolutions to save HRP was our only hope. This is what I was trying to get across to all the dummies at FH. They didn't believe me, the believed MO. Now they have no track, and MO & Co are $5 million dollars richer. This is the way con-men work. The find some really stupid people (the racers), promise them the Moon and the Stars (P9), then gyp them out of what they had (HRP).

[udrivecrap]

yes, 300 acres. but it doesn't have to be all in one place. it would be nice, but yeah.... try find a lot that size.

land can be changed depending on the area. i agree though, it is difficult to find anything I2 that is affordable for racing. who wants to pay $100 to just walk in the gate? we aren't talking NASCAR here. :rolleyes:

as for the clear zone... its going to DHHL, right? ROFLMAO... how the hell did you expect to get that in the future? you could try a land swap :eek:

[udrivecrap]

what i think you don't realize is that... if the State was willing to spend the money to condemn HRP, then they would be paying close to the marketable price. which then means you can find any other property of the same size and pay close to the same price. maybe even cheaper because you don't have to condemn it.

you see what i'm trying to say? HRP couldn't have been the "only" hope, providing the State was willing to spend the money on it. :cool:

[udrivecrap]

you know what, Les? i miss discussing racetrack things with you.. remember when you broke my calculator on those power plant estimates? hahaha :D

[LJW]

So Dave, what have you been doing since leaving Jeep Island?

[udrivecrap]

LOL... i go fishing, camping and swim in pearl harbor.

[udrivecrap]

"i am french, my country invented democracy, existantialism and the blow job... what has america given the world aside from cheerios and the thigh master?" :D

[zerozero]

if it wasn't for america - the french would be speaking german - twice!



anyone want to buy a used french army rifle?

never been fired!

only dropped once!



you know what paralized the whole french military?

the white flag factory burned down.


Dave - America also gave the world - women who shave their armpits.

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[udrivecrap]

hahahahahaha.... armpits. :D

[dirt racer]

"i am french, my country invented democracy, existantialism and the blow job... what has america given the world aside from cheerios and the thigh master?" :D

Democracy was invented in Greece (where the word comes from), long before France was a country. And the earliest known hummer was from Ika (Tommy Chong's daughter). Learn some history will ya?

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g14/dirt_racer/flintpunk.jpg

[udrivecrap]

what the hell is that pic? kiss rejects?

hey, i don't care about greece. it was prolly some frenchmen there on vacation that helped them out.

also, didn't germany invent french fries? hmm... something is fishy in denmark. hahahaha :D

[LJW]

what the hell is that pic? kiss rejects?

hey, i don't care about greece. it was prolly some frenchmen there on vacation that helped them out.

also, didn't germany invent french fries? hmm... something is fishy in denmark. hahahaha :D

Hey, I would'nt be bragging about being French during wartime; Go watch "We were Soldiers" (Talk about Greek Love)

[udrivecrap]

lol... yeah i know. i'm just being a proud ignorant frenchman right now. my dad was stationed in france which is how i became half french. you shoulda seen the heated discussions at family dinners.

the french seem to think they didn't need the americans help... i guess they wanted to speak german instead. ha!