HRP Sold?

[Hawaiian turbo]

What happen to the post about someone buying the old HRP? Was I just dreaming or wishful thinking!!!!!!

[dirt racer]

What happen to the post about someone buying the old HRP? Was I just dreaming or wishful thinking!!!!!!

There was a report in PBN that "suggests" A&B purchased the HRP property. A&B says this is not true. Shoddy journalism seems to be the rule in Hawaii. We like to promote facts on this site, so we took it down.

Unfortunately at this point, a racetrack on Oahu probably is wishful thinking.

[Hawaiian turbo]

There was a report in PBN that "suggests" A&B purchased the HRP property. A&B says this is not true. Shoddy journalism seems to be the rule in Hawaii. We like to promote facts on this site, so we took it down.

Unfortunately at this point, a racetrack on Oahu probably is wishful thinking.

Damn !!! I thought things were finally looking good for us!!! Thanks for the explanation. Posting FACTS is always best, we have enough rumors going around already.

[punishum]

Well gentlemen.

As my saying goes,"By the time you Hear ANYTHING, it is already a TOO LATE and a DONE DEAL."

And "YOU", can BET on that ONE.

[Hawaiian turbo]

Well gentlemen.

As my saying goes,"By the time you Hear ANYTHING, it is already a TOO LATE and a DONE DEAL."

And "YOU", can BET on that ONE.

So... is it sold(done deal) or not? I'm having a hard time understanding what you're refering to.

Thanks

[udrivecrap]

So... is it sold(done deal) or not? I'm having a hard time understanding what you're refering to.

Thanks
its ok, i too have a hard time understanding him sometimes :D haha

it doesn't show on the tax records, yet. i did get a call today asking "eh, what.. alexander baldwin going build one racetrack, o'what?"

i LOL'd...

[punishum]

its ok, i too have a hard time understanding him sometimes :D haha

it doesn't show on the tax records, yet. i did get a call today asking "eh, what.. alexander baldwin going build one racetrack, o'what?"

i LOL'd...

Good one Davy, you ever watched the movie Commando? :D

Remember the scene,"This is my Weak Arm Sully. Remember when I told you I would save you for last? I Lied . . ." LMAO :rolleyes:

Not everything is as seems Daniel san.

[udrivecrap]

:D ... the governator

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMkXY6MN96E

[punishum]

Your LOYALTY is VERY TOUCHING but that is NOT the most important thing right now. What is important, is GRAVITY . . .

[udrivecrap]

yes... and the harder they climb, the further they'll fall... and as we all know, apples don't fall far from the horizontal family tree :D

[punishum]

yes... and the harder they climb, the further they'll fall... and as we all know, apples don't fall far from the horizontal family tree :D

Thanks Davy. That is VERY good advice. I will make sure you get the credit and remember YOU said this. :D

[udrivecrap]

hahaha... and i have no idea wtf we are talking about. :o

HAPPY THANKSGIVING ERRYBODY!

:D remember the holidays is right around the corner, might i make a suggestion on a gift for your loved ones? sure i might... LOL

http://static.funnyjunk.com/pictures/diamonds2.jpg

[ijustrip]

There was a report in PBN that "suggests" A&B purchased the HRP property. A&B says this is not true. Shoddy journalism seems to be the rule in Hawaii. We like to promote facts on this site, so we took it down.

Unfortunately at this point, a racetrack on Oahu probably is wishful thinking.More like corupt. It's lobbiest like *** ******* who bribed elected officals into believing his idea about having these other developers. Swindle money off of the H R P property. if it is the way it stands first was 8 million then made another 10 million.

[ijustrip]

There was a report in PBN that "suggests" A&B purchased the HRP property. A&B says this is not true. Shoddy journalism seems to be the rule in Hawaii. We like to promote facts on this site, so we took it down.

Unfortunately at this point, a racetrack on Oahu probably is wishful thinking.A&B said that they used that name because ist the only name they could think of at the time. call parker at525-6627

[ijustrip]

More like corupt. It's lobbiest like *** ******* who bribed elected officals into believing his idea about having these other developers. Swindle money off of the H R P property. if it is the way it stands first was 8 million then made another 10 million.this one is a better understanding of the situation, . Conspiracy of Silence, a usually sceret or unstated agreement to remain silent among those who know something whose disclosure might be damaging;harmful, or against their own best interest or that of their associates

[udrivecrap]

a confidentiality agreement?... LOL

[punishum]

More like corupt. It's lobbiest like *** ******* who bribed elected officals into believing his idea about having these other developers. Swindle money off of the H R P property. if it is the way it stands first was 8 million then made another 10 million.

WHOOOooooooo ? ? ? ?

[Admin]

There's not many rules here, but we can't be accusing anyone by name of committing a crime unless there has been a documented conviction. Thanks.

[udrivecrap]

HOLY CRAP!!!

there an admin in here??... who the f*ck are you? tom enomoto?

aahahahahahaha

[punishum]

HOLY CRAP!!!

there an admin in here??... who the f*ck are you? tom enomoto?

aahahahahahaha

I was as SHOCKED as U were. Unlike OTHER sites, :rolleyes: RIH allows people to speak their minds without censorship.

Pea sized ones as well :D

[udrivecrap]

hey... that's no way to talk about the forum admin. i don't care if he's tom enomoto, its just not proper. LOL

[punishum]

Well Kiddies, the infamous "FEEDLOT" is on the market.

Hope you saved up your pennies and Davy, cash in your cheap beer bottles.

Don't forget to save some to build the track, EPA and EIS as well as the necessary county and state permits.

Good Luck, cause you are gonna need it by the FREIGHT TRAIN loads.

[udrivecrap]

LOL... thanks. :cool:

see, i was right about the FEED LOT. not going to OHA, no solar farm.

wow... how the hell did i know that? :D

[punishum]

LOL... thanks. :cool:

see, i was right about the FEED LOT. not going to OHA, no solar farm.

wow... how the hell did i know that? :D

See Davy, again you as ALWAYS is WRONG.

The FEEDLOT was supposed to go to OHA for the land settlement on the issue over ceded lands. The bill before the legislature received scrutiny from the Hawaiian community. Main concern was NO PUBLIC INPUT to the process. So the bill was allowed to die.

Another FACT is DLNR has budget problems like every state entity.

DLNR has a lot of LAND but it is ALL forestry on mountain sides. DLNR has very FEW Gems that HAS VALUE and can generate INCOME for them. The FEEDLOT is one of them.

The FEEDLOT LEASE is going to go in the MILLIONs Davy.

And MILLIONs MORE to satisfy all what I mentioned. You guys have a problem understanding the PERMITs and the FEEDLOT has even Federal EPA problems.

Also GOOD LUCK trying to get Flood Insurance as the 100 year flood/swail zone and all the Billions of gallons of water from a flood will all converge RIGHT THERE. Have YOU ever seen what water can do to asphalt and buildings? Especially when there is enough WATER and it will get UNDER all of that. Do your due diligence.

That way idiots like "ALL" you guys can stop bugging our elected officials to just GIVE :eek: you guys the FEEDLOT.

[udrivecrap]

See Davy, again you as ALWAYS is WRONG.
"are" wrong.. :D

The FEEDLOT was supposed to go to OHA for the land settlement on the issue over ceded lands. The bill before the legislature received scrutiny from the Hawaiian community. Main concern was NO PUBLIC INPUT to the process. So the bill was allowed to die.
that and half the leg is pissed at Lingle :D

Another FACT is DLNR has budget problems like every state entity.

DLNR has a lot of LAND but it is ALL forestry on mountain sides. DLNR has very FEW Gems that HAS VALUE and can generate INCOME for them. The FEEDLOT is one of them.
yup... they need money for the program.

The FEEDLOT LEASE is going to go in the MILLIONs Davy.

And MILLIONs MORE to satisfy all what I mentioned. You guys have a problem understanding the PERMITs and the FEEDLOT has even Federal EPA problems.

Also GOOD LUCK trying to get Flood Insurance as the 100 year flood/swail zone and all the Billions of gallons of water from a flood will all converge RIGHT THERE. Have YOU ever seen what water can do to asphalt and buildings? Especially when there is enough WATER and it will get UNDER all of that. Do your due diligence.
boy that's a ton of trips to the recycler... don't know if there is enough time with due diligence and all. :D

That way idiots like "ALL" you guys can stop bugging our elected officials to just GIVE :eek: you guys the FEEDLOT.
hey.. i said stop talking about the forum admin like that. hahaha :eek:

[udrivecrap]

funniest joke i heard yet....

what is the difference between a cadillac escalade and a golf ball?











































Tiger can drive a golf ball 400 yards.
aaahahahahahahahaha :D

[punishum]

that was a good joke Davy. SNL had a great spoof on it and all the black talk shows are slamming Tiger for cheating w/ white women.

hey, i didn't know you had a teaching degree in Engrish. thanks for the lesson.

still don't change the fact HRP and the FEEDLOT are on the auction block.

[udrivecrap]

nope, it doesn't change that fact.

and what da hell is wrong with bangin a white woman if you're black?

seriously, supwitalldat racial tension? :confused:

also, i don't have a degree in engrish, my mom happens to teach french though. the american language is so sloppy, no wonder most people can't spell or properly arrange sentences. hahahahaha :D

[dirt racer]

Get your bids in ASAP!

http://www.loopnet.com/property/16404792/91-319-Olai-Street/

[punishum]

Get your bids in ASAP!

http://www.loopnet.com/property/16404792/91-319-Olai-Street/

When does it close?

[udrivecrap]

uhh.... like.... 15 minutes ago. :cool:

[udrivecrap]

oh boy... there's goes that rumor mill again ... runnin wild. :rolleyes:

a possible track re-open or land swap? :eek: again?

right when OHA wants to charge "back rent" which you know is gonna be estimated in da kajillions... ho da perfect timing. lol :D

ok which one of you clowns is starting these rumors, ehh? don't tell me its the forum admin... i'll be pissed.

[udrivecrap]

and what's the story with Mufi and Magic Island? can't he read? is this like bringing an apple to school for the teacher? haha :D brown noser..

[punishum]

oh boy... there's goes that rumor mill again ... runnin wild. :rolleyes:

a possible track re-open or land swap? :eek: again?

right when OHA wants to charge "back rent" which you know is gonna be estimated in da kajillions... ho da perfect timing. lol :D

ok which one of you clowns is starting these rumors, ehh? don't tell me its the forum admin... i'll be pissed.

Davy, you talk about ME not making sense.

WTF are U talking aBout?

There are a million rumors from a junk man who put down $3 to $5 million ( Depending who you hear that tall tale from. )
To an alternative fuels project that will fund it to an attorney that has the ins with A&B to P 9, the FEEDLOT and P 24.

So Davy, you need to be SPECIFIC and what have you heard? Instead of BEATing around the DEAD Bush that is as old and dried up as Jokeland and Croonies like Sink Boi who got us into this F'n mess 2 begin with.

BE SPECIFIC and report chapter and verse PLEASE . . .

[punishum]

and what's the story with Mufi and Magic Island? can't he read? is this like bringing an apple to school for the teacher? haha :D brown noser..

You got it man. KITV unofficial pole said 92% was OPPOSED to the idea of renaming Magic Island.

The Valoria fight when they introduced the Muff man had the WHOLE arena BOOING him.

All those idiots at City Hall need to get OUT of THERE. Siestas to other brilliant ideas.

2010, No VOTE No GRUMBLE ! ! !

[udrivecrap]

Davy, you talk about ME not making sense.

WTF are U talking aBout?

There are a million rumors from a junk man who put down $3 to $5 million ( Depending who you hear that tall tale from. )
To an alternative fuels project that will fund it to an attorney that has the ins with A&B to P 9, the FEEDLOT and P 24.

So Davy, you need to be SPECIFIC and what have you heard? Instead of BEATing around the DEAD Bush that is as old and dried up as Jokeland and Croonies like Sink Boi who got us into this F'n mess 2 begin with.

BE SPECIFIC and report chapter and verse PLEASE . . .
oh crap.. i thought you guys might have seen the thread already on HPM.

http://www.hawaiiperformancemustangs.com/forum/index.php?topic=19050.msg438415

someone from miami vice is giving a report.. hahaha :eek:

[udrivecrap]

You got it man. KITV unofficial pole said 92% was OPPOSED to the idea of renaming Magic Island.

The Valoria fight when they introduced the Muff man had the WHOLE arena BOOING him.

All those idiots at City Hall need to get OUT of THERE. Siestas to other brilliant ideas.

2010, No VOTE No GRUMBLE ! ! !
yup, VOTE DAMMIT!

like its really going to make a difference in this small town, but it makes me feel better anyway. lol..

[punishum]

oh crap.. i thought you guys might have seen the thread already on HPM.

http://www.hawaiiperformancemustangs.com/forum/index.php?topic=19050.msg438415

someone from miami vice is giving a report.. hahaha :eek:

It would give more credence if the poster would spell correctly for starters.

Not only did this guy start going off into WAY left field but Tubs should have reeled Crocket back to REALITY because he is SOOooo FAR off Base, he's in Jersey. And the Idiot squads who are even deeper in the dark DON'T, chime in for validation.

As the saying goes,"Open mouth and Erase all DOUBT."

And Davy, WHY didn't you correct his GRAMMAR, Huh :rolleyes:

[udrivecrap]

It would give more credence if the poster would spell correctly for starters.

Not only did this guy start going off into WAY left field but Tubs should have reeled Crocket back to REALITY because he is SOOooo FAR off Base, he's in Jersey. And the Idiot squads who are even deeper in the dark DON'T, chime in for validation.

As the saying goes,"Open mouth and Erase all DOUBT."

And Davy, WHY didn't you correct his GRAMMAR, Huh :rolleyes:
ROFL... because i'm not a member :D ;)

[dirt racer]

oh crap.. i thought you guys might have seen the thread already on HPM.

http://www.hawaiiperformancemustangs.com/forum/index.php?topic=19050.msg438415

someone from miami vice is giving a report.. hahaha :eek:

The smart thing to do is check into this stuff before you go blabbing it on the net or at some lunch meeting. Racing is not part of A&B's business model, and the only reason they named the company "Kapolei Raceway, LLC" was to identify the project. Sort of like "HMC Irongate Hawaii Raceway Investors". I know this because I asked A&B directly. Just like I asked the P9 landlord and tenant about the "World Class Facility" that was supposedly being planned for that site (they said it was bullshit). Unfortunately, there's not too many smart racers in Hawaii (which is why we no longer have a track).

[udrivecrap]

OK.... Les, Tracy... thanks for your takes on that post.

i for one understand the difference between skepticism and paranoia in people. in this issue, we are all equal and brothers in arms, just with different attributes.

you guys are something special, thanks again. and i don't mean special olympics kine special, i mean special like .... regular kine special. :D

[LJW]

Hey Les, reading that Mustang forum bullshit brings back memories; remember that 64comet prick?

[udrivecrap]

Uncle Leo! haha :D wassup bah... happy holidays to you and yours.

[LJW]

Uncle Leo! haha :D wassup bah... happy holidays to you and yours.

Uncle Leo your ass! Wassup Dave, same to you and yours (Happy Holidays)

[udrivecrap]

sooooo... any of you guys gonna bid on the ol' HRP? :cool:

[punishum]

sooooo... any of you guys gonna bid on the ol' HRP? :cool:

Why Davy, you got a plan to go in with WEBCO?

You better collect all the recyclable containers in the WORLD :p

[udrivecrap]

lol, nah :D.. that won't work. containers must be marked with the HI5 in order to redeem them. so, you and i will have to look locally for our recycling project. haha

[dirt racer]

lol, nah :D.. that won't work. containers must be marked with the HI5 in order to redeem them. so, you and i will have to look locally for our recycling project. haha

Yeah, but they never check that when you bring the cans in. So all we need now are 600 million cans. :rolleyes:

[udrivecrap]

Yeah, but they never check that when you bring the cans in. So all we need now are 600 million cans. :rolleyes:
man.... this ain't sounding good. you should see what some of those hardcore recycler guys look and smell like. not pretty. i'm by no means a panzy but i don't wanna smell and look like nasty dirty ass for a vested interest in a racetrack.

i'm all for selling skool kine cookies and chilli... much cleaner... even if we had to sell 600 million pounds. :D

[dirt racer]

sooooo... any of you guys gonna bid on the ol' HRP? :cool:

Looks like the bid is the day after you get the bad news from DLNR. :eek:

2 track properties gone in 2 days! - must be your friend was involved. lol

[udrivecrap]

lol, Les... it will be interesting to see how this all plays out. there's big money out there, if you wanna keep all what you got, you can't just sit there with your thumb up your azz.

[punishum]

lol, Les... it will be interesting to see how this all plays out. there's big money out there, if you wanna keep all what you got, you can't just sit there with your thumb up your azz.

Especially when your odds are "Slim to NONE" and Slim just LEFT.

[punishum]

lol, Les... it will be interesting to see how this all plays out. there's big money out there, if you wanna keep all what you got, you can't just sit there with your thumb up your azz.

Hey, is that "YOU" Jokeland? Chiming in so you can sing your P-9 song :rolleyes:

Told Ya, quit taking FREE beer from decrepit Ole FARTs who got us in this Mess.

[udrivecrap]

lol, Tracy... no that wasn't him. but you are absolutely right about its not WHAT you know, its WHO you know.

what i'm curious to know is who will actually build a track on oahu..

[punishum]

lol, Tracy... no that wasn't him. but you are absolutely right about its not WHAT you know, its WHO you know.

what i'm curious to know is who will actually build a track on oahu..

Actually Dave, it is Who KNOWs "YOU" :rolleyes:

Just because you know somebody, that don't mean SQUAT :eek:

[dirt racer]

its not WHAT you know, its WHO you know


It's not WHO you know, it's how much money you have in the bank. All the rest is just conversation. ;)

[udrivecrap]

Actually Dave, it is Who KNOWs "YOU" :rolleyes:

Just because you know somebody, that don't mean SQUAT :eek:
oh yeah.. that's right. its not what you know but who you know that knows you. ;)

[udrivecrap]

It's not WHO you know, it's how much money you have in the bank. All the rest is just conversation. ;)
yes... but its also who you know (that knows you) that has lots of money in the bank... that wants to spend money on investment properties. hooo, lotsa whoos up there in these posts :D

[udrivecrap]

the real question here is... who's on first? :confused: :rolleyes: :p

[punishum]

the real question here is... who's on first? :confused: :rolleyes: :p

Who was up to BAT :rolleyes:

[punishum]

the real question here is... who's on first? :confused: :rolleyes: :p

Hey Davy, missed you at the "Open House" today at HRP.

I guess you aren't going to bid on it huh? :eek:

Just to get it up to where it was actual racing going on will take at least $3 million and another in headaches. I don't care WHO your electrician or other subs will be. "NO WAY" . . . . Freaken "Sad Man Insane" butt kicked outta Kuwait, Burn the oil fields, If I can't have IT no one can, please give me a Shin Kick 2 da face, chicken SHIT action :mad:

The "FeedLot" is the day before. I don't expect your name will pop up in either case.

Hell, If you're gonna dream might as well "Go 4 the MOOOoooN" :D

[udrivecrap]

open house?... lol. was there coffee and doughnuts?

i think it would be more like $6mill to get it up to snuff... place is a wreck, weeds all over. like Irongate couldn't afford a weedwacker. maybe they are related to DHHL :rolleyes: you seen barber's point lately? there's some dude in a pick up who uses a sickle to cut grass along the main road, wtf is that all about? looks like feed for his cattle. :confused:

we'll see what the state says next month... might have to implement plan B.. and then C :D of course, i'll let you know what the plans are when i figure it out. haha

[punishum]

open house?... lol. was there coffee and doughnuts?

i think it would be more like $6mill to get it up to snuff... place is a wreck, weeds all over. like Irongate couldn't afford a weedwacker. maybe they are related to DHHL :rolleyes: you seen barber's point lately? there's some dude in a pick up who uses a sickle to cut grass along the main road, wtf is that all about? looks like feed for his cattle. :confused:

we'll see what the state says next month... might have to implement plan B.. and then C :D of course, i'll let you know what the plans are when i figure it out. haha

Nah, no HC&D, just long time resident Bobby fixing the gate cause someone ran into it.

You better have Plan Z . 9 ready cause Wings & Prayers only work in HEAVEN ! ! !

[dirt racer]

i think it would be more like $6mill to get it up to snuff... place is a wreck, weeds all over. like Irongate couldn't afford a weedwacker.

It looks like that show "Life After People" on the History Channel...

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g14/dirt_racer/100_8425.jpg

[udrivecrap]

wow... that's a perfect place to park an alien spaceship, so flat.

[punishum]

wow... that's a perfect place to park an alien spaceship, so flat.

Yeah, or a place to store a Yeti in a freezer.

[Hawaiian turbo]

I heard HRP was being auctioned off today.:(

[dirt racer]

I heard HRP was being auctioned off today.:(

Yeah, it looks like A&B will get the property for $11 million. Which is a steal for 67 acres of I2 land. I doubt they plan to build a track there. But if anyone wants to convince them (plead, beg, threaten, etc.) to reopen the track, now is the time to do it!

Interestingly, this amount is only enough to cover the first loan. Which means the secondary lender (MKA Capital) just lost $17 million on the deal.

In the City Council hearings when we tried to get the City to buy the track, Gary Okino was trying to say the property was worth $70 million. Someone should email the story to that asshole.

http://pacific.bizjournals.com/pacific/stories/2010/02/08/daily17.html

[udrivecrap]

iirc, it was $50 Million, estimated by Gary... i was watching the live feed.

pay attention to these events that passed. the message to the racer is.... "we can't give it to you but you can buy it if you are able"

P9, HRP, Feedlot....

[dirt racer]

iirc, it was $50 Million, estimated by Gary... i was watching the live feed.

pay attention to these events that passed. the message to the racer is.... "we can't give it to you but you can buy it if you are able"

P9, HRP, Feedlot....

The message to the racer is UP YOURS! lol

They can afford a $20 million dollar soccer park, and a $50 million dollar CORP, that don't generate a dime. And let's not forget the $5 billion dollar train that no one's going to ride. And I'd like to see how many of the 40+ golf courses there would be if they all had to be laid out on industrial land with private money!

But then again, the politicians have been hearing from a nut that wanted $50 million + 139 acres for free (just because he asked for it). And all the negative testimony against the most sensible effort to have the city & county buy the track. And a room full of idiots at a neighborhood board meeting (that know nothing about racing), claiming that Parcel 24 was going to take care of all the racers. So how many racers has Parcel 24 taken care of? Where's that new track at Parcel 9?

Yeah, you were watching the live feed. You and everyone else should have been there supporting the effort, instead of being against it. Your buddies should be happy now that the track is gone.

[punishum]

iirc, it was $50 Million, estimated by Gary... i was watching the live feed.

pay attention to these events that passed. the message to the racer is.... "we can't give it to you but you can buy it if you are able"

P9, HRP, Feedlot....

Pay Attention ? ? :mad: You know what Davy BOI, shut your mouth. You were part of the problem why there is "NO" track. Along with every other Ass Munch like Sink BOI etc.

You supported the Freaken Jackasses who got us here.

You were living in "Candyland" thinking you had a chance at the Feedlot.

[udrivecrap]

The message to the racer is UP YOURS! lol

They can afford a $20 million dollar soccer park, and a $50 million dollar CORP, that don't generate a dime. And let's not forget the $5 billion dollar train that no one's going to ride. And I'd like to see how many of the 40+ golf courses there would be if they all had to be laid out on industrial land with private money!

But then again, the politicians have been hearing from a nut that wanted $50 million + 139 acres for free (just because he asked for it). And all the negative testimony against the most sensible effort to have the city & county buy the track. And a room full of idiots at a neighborhood board meeting (that know nothing about racing), claiming that Parcel 24 was going to take care of all the racers. So how many racers has Parcel 24 taken care of? Where's that new track at Parcel 9?

Yeah, you were watching the live feed. You and everyone else should have been there supporting the effort, instead of being against it. Your buddies should be happy now that the track is gone.
ahhhh.... you know how it is around here. i still don't think the state woulda saved HRP even if everyone was united to save it. the people behind P9 and P24 made sure it didn't happen...

[udrivecrap]

Pay Attention ? ? :mad: You know what Davy BOI, shut your mouth. You were part of the problem why there is "NO" track. Along with every other Ass Munch like Sink BOI etc.

You supported the Freaken Jackasses who got us here.

You were living in "Candyland" thinking you had a chance at the Feedlot.
i'm not part of the problem. i didn't close the track. this is a free country and we are allowed to voice our opinions, which is why i sent in my testimony. makes no difference to the situation we were put in.

[udrivecrap]

and i think you meant "Chutes and Ladders"... that's the game where you can be sent back to the beginning again. lol :(

[dirt racer]

and i think you meant "Chutes and Ladders"...

I think he meant "Candy Mountain" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5im0Ssyyus

[udrivecrap]

wtf... LOL

[punishum]

i'm not part of the problem. i didn't close the track. this is a free country and we are allowed to voice our opinions, which is why i sent in my testimony. makes no difference to the situation we were put in.

You forgot about the testimony you sent in? Let me refresh your memory. You are Udrivecrap@aol.com and your name is David Bautista, correct?

You, Davy Boi wrote,"I am opposed to condemnation . . . I do not wish to see the State of Hawaii step in at a time where there MIGHT be a PRIVATE effort."

and I like this part best,"following a development plan of the Kapolei area by allowing the land owners to re-zone their land and supply needed industrial space where the old Hawaii Raceway Park is located."

There was and "IS" a glut of warehouse space already there. More abundant then brain dead racers like yourself.

Yeah, you are avail under the First Amendment your right to Free Speech but be a MAN and own up when,
YES your "NEGATIVE TESTIMONY" contributed to the closure of HRP.

You said it, now OWN up to it. At least you weren't bragging like some other Chuckle Head Sink Boi that he was there at the auction and still he was confused.

Actually the "ONLY" correct thing you said in your testimony is,"which is quite confusing for us all."

At least you spoke up for yourself and FINALLY got that right brother . . .

[udrivecrap]

lol.. actually "negative" is "oppose"... mine was 1 "comment" out of 4. there were also 9 in support and 2 opposed testimonies. yeah, i preferred the idea of a new place over the old one, which was already closed. its their job to do the fricken research on this stuff when making decisions on these bills.

[punishum]

its their job to do the fricken research on this stuff when making decisions on these bills.

Apparently you must be "NEW" to Hawaii Politics Davy. Only "SMART" people do their research and verify.

And if YOU are a heavy campaign contributor verses a group who give NONE whose word do you think our elected officials will take, Hmmmmmm :rolleyes:

[punishum]

Apparently you must be "NEW" to Hawaii Politics Davy. Only "SMART" people do their research and verify.

And if YOU are a heavy campaign contributor verses a group who give NONE whose word do you think our elected officials will take, Hmmmmmm :rolleyes:

What's a matter? You guys scared to respond to a political stance? Why, are you afraid of PISSING of corrupt politicians who already Screwed our motorsports community and would NEVER help us anyway?

As Iceman told Mav,"Get in the fight Mav, YOU Won't survive out there ALONE."

Grow some balls and dig in. That will be the only way to institute change.

And YES I am heavily involved in several political candidates campaigns. I do put my money where my mouth is.

Make a difference and it WILL pay off.

[udrivecrap]

i can't speak for everyone else but i'm not afraid of pissing off a politician, they are the ones that are carefull not to bite the hand that feeds them. i believe most go for office with good intentions, once they get in its a different story and a learning experience.

the only political names that first come to mind regarding screwing up the racing community on Oahu is Chang and Hanabusa. Chang didn't disclose pertinent information about the land swap for P9 and Hanabusa backed P24... to nowhere apparently.

the other name is Flannigan (sp?)... she is after the noise problem at the stadium. SCCA has been working hard to address the problem. good news is events are scheduled for the 2010 season.

supporters are Apo, Deju, Gabbard, Har, Aiona....

did i get it right? so far so good? :D

[udrivecrap]

Mufi is in a world of his own with his choochoo and Ambercrombie is too high on medical marijuana... i wouldn't depend on either of those two at the moment.

also, a friend and i were talking about this and isn't Lingle's maiden name Cutter? :confused:

[punishum]

i can't speak for everyone else but i'm not afraid of pissing off a politician, they are the ones that are carefull not to bite the hand that feeds them. i believe most go for office with good intentions, once they get in its a different story and a learning experience.

What planet are you living on?

the only political names that first come to mind regarding screwing up the racing community on Oahu is Chang and Hanabusa. Chang didn't disclose pertinent information about the land swap for P9 and Hanabusa backed P24... to nowhere apparently.

You got that right. Colleen had many chances. Befriended the racers, promised them the moon to get reelected for the Senate and her many failed attempts to step up and killed HB 567 when it made it all the way to conference committee.

the other name is Flannigan (sp?)... she is after the noise problem at the stadium. SCCA has been working hard to address the problem. good news is events are scheduled for the 2010 season.

Are YOU kidding me? Know the facts. 2010, thank GOD it is an election year.

supporters are Apo, Deju, Gabbard, Har, Aiona....
did i get it right? so far so good? :D

Deju supported the Upzoning and voted against Condemnation. HE also said publicly that a racetrack is NOT the governments responsibility. But tax gobbling golf courses, soccer parks, bark parks ( I love dogs but am making a point. ) stadium, UH sports all deserve the support of public funding. Just not RACING. None of them respect any of our motorsports.

They ALL think ANY form of racing is DUMB and not worth it so thus I will just ignore you till you go away.

Apo always knew the other 8 council members would vote the other way so he could look good and say,"I tried to HELP you guys ( The Racers ) but my other colleagues didn't. Not much I could do there. SORRY." ;)

There is a Strong CLEANSING wind brewing. 2010 will be a year for MAJOR changes. :rolleyes:

[udrivecrap]

lol... cleansing wind? like summer's eve? :D i hope you're right man. douche and vagisil will do some good, its kinda funky up there, cobwebs and sh*t. haha. idk wtf is going on sometimes. like right now... are we gonna vote by mail or what? :confused:

and what the hell drives a person to get involved in politics anyways? is it partly old age and wisdom or just being old and bored? :D

[udrivecrap]

as for the state supporting a racetrack by way of use of public lands and/or funds..... land is so expensive here. gotta have a clear need, i think that's what mufi told us in an email way back. want to have vs need to have. some sh*t like that. which would explain why politicians who support a "want" would be hard to come by.

so if that's the problem then the solution would be to "unite" as was suggested to us many times.... but that's for sh*t.

which then would mean the state can turn the other way and let the disorganized group of radicals and hardazzes (who are also medicated) wait for a private developer who CAN and HAS the money to do it.

that's kinda where we are right now, yes? :D:confused:

[dirt racer]

as for the state supporting a racetrack by way of use of public lands and/or funds..... land is so expensive here. gotta have a clear need, i think that's what mufi told us in an email way back. want to have vs need to have. some sh*t like that. which would explain why politicians who support a "want" would be hard to come by.

so if that's the problem then the solution would be to "unite" as was suggested to us many times.... but that's for sh*t.

which then would mean the state can turn the other way and let the disorganized group of radicals and hardazzes (who are also medicated) wait for a private developer who CAN and HAS the money to do it.

that's kinda where we are right now, yes? :D:confused:

Waiting for some "wealthy" developer to come to Oahu and build us a racetrack is akin to Charlie Brown waiting up all night for the "Great Pumpkin". It's NEVER going to happen. The land here is just too expensive.

Building a racetrack on Oahu is no easy task. This is what I was trying to get across to everyone when the track closing issue first came up. Everyone SHOULD HAVE banded together to save HRP then. Putting forth all those other bullshit options just allowed the politicians to let HRP go. Now it's too late. We've been without a track for 4 years. We're going to be without a track for another 4 years. There may NEVER be another track on Oahu. But hey, I'm sure your buddies are enjoying the $5 million they got from the sale.

[dirt racer]

Chang didn't disclose pertinent information about the land swap for P9

Your buddy thought it was only fair that Chang should make some money on the deal too. After all, Chang was the one who introduced the $50 million bill. That's how twisted he is.


and Hanabusa backed P24... to nowhere apparently.


Hey she got $50,000 for her husband's trucking company. That's not as much as the $9 million Chang was setup to make, but at least it's something.

[punishum]

as for the state supporting a racetrack by way of use of public lands and/or funds..... land is so expensive here. gotta have a clear need, i think that's what mufi told us in an email way back. want to have vs need to have. some sh*t like that. which would explain why politicians who support a "want" would be hard to come by.

The state could spend $50 million on 22 acres for Kukui Gardens low income housing. Low income also means they don't have much in the ability to contribute to the GDP of the state. And that turned into a deal that back fired as the new owner can now sell to whom ever they want. No more Low Income housing, used HUD money to acquire and the intent has vanished. By the way, the state did the deal through eminent domain. But NOT for HRP.

But RACERS who can afford to contribute more taxes from their hobby and actually have J-O-Bs that contribute to the GDP fall on deaf ears.

The government city and state will build ball parks that sit, golf courses that need tax dollars to operate, a soccer park that will never generate a dime, a stadium getting a $11 million dollar facelift with your and my tax dollars and pay the NFL $5 million to keep a game that nobody watches.

You know why? Cause the majority of those types who like to play games that we racers think are silly VOTE ! ! !

[udrivecrap]

Waiting for some "wealthy" developer to come to Oahu and build us a racetrack is akin to Charlie Brown waiting up all night for the "Great Pumpkin". It's NEVER going to happen. The land here is just too expensive.
land here, on oahu.

Building a racetrack on Oahu is no easy task. This is what I was trying to get across to everyone when the track closing issue first came up. Everyone SHOULD HAVE banded together to save HRP then. Putting forth all those other bullshit options just allowed the politicians to let HRP go. Now it's too late. We've been without a track for 4 years. We're going to be without a track for another 4 years. There may NEVER be another track on Oahu. But hey, I'm sure your buddies are enjoying the $5 million they got from the sale.
right, that's what you were trying to do.... still, without a clear "need" for a racetrack, how do you expect the state and city (who operates on public demand) to pay millions and commit to something and then have to try and justify it when people complain about our tax dollars being spent on things we don't obviously need? they won't do that unless the public demand is constantly pressing for it. which means, you can't give up.

[udrivecrap]

Your buddy thought it was only fair that Chang should make some money on the deal too. After all, Chang was the one who introduced the $50 million bill. That's how twisted he is.
no, that's how small this island is and a peek at who the people are that run this place... or try to run it.

Hey she got $50,000 for her husband's trucking company. That's not as much as the $9 million Chang was setup to make, but at least it's something.
lol.. :eek:

[udrivecrap]

The state could spend $50 million on 22 acres for Kukui Gardens low income housing. Low income also means they don't have much in the ability to contribute to the GDP of the state. And that turned into a deal that back fired as the new owner can now sell to whom ever they want. No more Low Income housing, used HUD money to acquire and the intent has vanished. By the way, the state did the deal through eminent domain. But NOT for HRP.

But RACERS who can afford to contribute more taxes from their hobby and actually have J-O-Bs that contribute to the GDP fall on deaf ears.

The government city and state will build ball parks that sit, golf courses that need tax dollars to operate, a soccer park that will never generate a dime, a stadium getting a $11 million dollar facelift with your and my tax dollars and pay the NFL $5 million to keep a game that nobody watches.

You know why? Cause the majority of those types who like to play games that we racers think are silly VOTE ! ! !

good points, i agree.. dam democrats!

i like football and other silly games and i vote :D ... supposedly that game will generate revenue for us through tourism and what not. great advertising for hawaii. but what did the critics say? we would only get half of that back in reality? so is $2.5 mill worth having it here? i say f*ck yeah... we could schedule them 4 times a year for the next 100 years and not come close to what bruddah mufi wants to do with his choochoo.

[punishum]

good points, i agree.. dam democrats!

i like football and other silly games and i vote :D ... supposedly that game will generate revenue for us through tourism and what not. great advertising for hawaii. but what did the critics say? we would only get half of that back in reality? so is $2.5 mill worth having it here? i say f*ck yeah... we could schedule them 4 times a year for the next 100 years and not come close to what bruddah mufi wants to do with his choochoo.

There is NO proof or way to track exactly How MUCH money or in my opinion NO money is being spent during the Pro Bowl, SONY Open or any event period.

The state uses these kaka formula of graphs, grids and sleight of hand numbers to justify spending our tax dollars. Funny though, cause when Jokeland used the same BOGUS formulas for his tax credit, I mean Tax SCAM in saying how many tourists his P9 deal would generate these same people from DBEDT said," There is NO WAY for them to verify his ( Jokey Futs ) claims."

Like the projection for the convention center. How short did that fall?

Since when has ANY government run project ever come in on time much less on BUDGET? Nimitz Viaduct, H-3, Aloha Stadium ( They got ripped off on the steel and we are still paying to fix that mess today. ), etc., etc., etc. :eek:

Honolulu will be "THE" smallest city in the ENTIRE Galaxy with an elevated fixed rail system. $1.5 billion from the Feds and where is the other $3.5 going to come from? The GET tax is falling short, the lege wants to repeal that revenue stream to help the state, AND we all know it will be closer to $9 to $11 'BILLION' if ever completed and any wagers NOT in our lifetime.

Millions of Tax dollars to self promote and convince everyone this is a good deal, $400+ million dollar NON-Bid contracts, and on and on and on.

Shanghai built a 20 mile Maglev system for $1.5 Billion, which is faster than the Shinkansen. Steel on steel is to help out his buddies from the unions. 3 fund raisers all saying "Office Sought" GOVERNOR that raised over $1 Million. Cladwell ran ads. Can you see the writing?

The good thing is that this White Elephant will be such a Cluster Mess by the time the primary rolls around this year he'd be a FOOL to run for Gov. Either way it will be a mess and he won't be around after 2012 ANYWAY. NOT even to sweep the floors in Honolulu Hale much less running it. Kind of like "Where is Harris today?" Worst than trying to locate Waldo.

The F-U-N thing about politics? Pay back is a . . . Well You know. Just fill in the blanks with your own favorite expletive. :rolleyes:

[udrivecrap]

^^ hmmmm... that's something to sit and think about right there.

i've never had the pleasure of meeting you face to face but on the interenet... sometimes you make too much sense. LOL! now you (and everyone else) knows why i come here to shoot the sh*t. its both enlightening and entertaining.

i miss that mud packer guy.. he's funny as f*ck. :D