Former racetrack owner loses land in foreclosure sale

[dirt racer]

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20100228/BUSINESS/2280340/Hawaii-s-rural-development-fight-rekindled-in-valley-on-Oahu


A vast, largely untouched piece of land in Waikāne Valley long eyed by developers and once proposed for a golf course is in play again after a local businessman successfully bid to buy the Windward O'ahu property at a foreclosure auction earlier this month.

The property was part of a historic battleground against urban development stretching back more than three decades. And now community concerns are being reinvigorated in large part because the buyer of the 327-acre site hasn't disclosed his plans for the land.

Dominic Henriques, the owner of Rolloffs Hawaii subsidiary RRR Recycling Services Hawaii, made the high bid of $1.2 million and was the only bidder for the property other than the mortgage lender that foreclosed on the prior owner.

Henriques, according to his wife, was unavailable for comment last week.

State Rep. Jessica Wooley, D-47th, (Ha'ikū, Kahalu'u, Lā'ie), said she's working with community members to ensure the land is protected from any commercial development.

"The community forever has wanted that property not developed," she said. "Nobody wants to see Waikāne turned into an urban development or a gentleman's farm development."

Pat Royos, president of the Waiāhole-Waikāne Community Association, isn't presuming what Henriques might do with the land, but said the community will make another stand against commercial use if needed.

"We're not going to let it be developed," she said. "We're strongly, strongly against it."

The site, which a Japanese company tried to turn into an 18-hole golf course in the late 1980s, has been the subject of foreclosure twice in seven years.

Local lender Finance Factors initiated the latest foreclosure case on the property along with a 1,117-acre adjacent parcel that local developer Tom Enomoto acquired in 2005 from the golf course developer, SFM Enterprises.

The larger parcel was repossessed by Finance Factors after no one offered more than the $600,000 established by the bank as a starting bid.

The smaller parcel was once zoned for agriculture and includes two homes built more than 40 years ago. It is one of several sites in the area that over several decades have spurred residents to rail against golf course and residential development.

One landmark fight in the mid-1970s involved a plan by local developer Joe Pao to build as many as 7,000 homes in Waikāne and Waiāhole. That effort was met by emotional opposition that led the state to condemn much of the property.

A portion of the Pao site makai of the 327-acre property was proposed for a 27-hole golf course by Japan-based Pan-Pacific Development. In that case the city acquired the land with a plan to create Waikāne Valley Nature Park.

But the 327-acre site has remained in private hands.

The original golf course plan on the site was pursued by SFM Enterprises, an affiliate of Yokohama, Japan-based development firm Hoyu Kensetsu, which bought roughly 1,400 acres in 1989 for $9.5 million.

SFM faced vocal opposition to its plan from many area residents at the time. The late Frank Fasi, as Honolulu's mayor, also was critical of SFM as part of what was then a frenzied rush to build private golf courses for Japanese investors buying into exclusive membership clubs.

SFM attempted to sideline the mayor and the City Council by removing the property from county zoning through petitioning the state Land Use Commission to make the property part of the state's conservation district, a kind of state zoning.

Under conservation district regulations at the time, golf courses were permitted, and the Land Use Commission granted SFM's request in 1992.

SFM, however, ran into serious problems.

While the developer was seeking the land-use change, the state Department of Land and Natural Resources, which administers conservation land rules, was revising those rules, according to Sam Lemmo, administrator of DLNR's Office of Conservation and Coastal Lands. Lemmo said DLNR ended up prohibiting golf courses on conservation land in a move that stunned SFM.

SFM's parent, Hoyu, also filed bankruptcy a month before the land-use change approval. Over the next decade, SFM racked up $523,000 in unpaid property taxes, plus debts to companies affiliated with Enomoto, including construction firm Dura Constructors and Royal/Fountains LLC.

In 2003, SFM filed for bankruptcy, listing $10.5 million in debts, including a $9.5 million mortgage with Japan's Sanwa Bank Ltd.

Enomoto's Royal/Fountains sued to foreclose on the land, and in 2005 worked out a deal to buy the 1,400 acres for $5 million and pay off the city's tax debt.

After Enomoto's purchase, area residents renewed their expression against development, erecting large signs throughout the community proclaiming their opposition to such efforts while Enomoto remained low-key about his intentions.

Last May, a $2.3 million loan that Royal/Fountains took out with Finance Factors to buy the 1,400 acres matured. Finance Factors sued to foreclose in June, citing a $2.4 million unpaid balance. About $22,000 of property taxes also was owed on the property.

Royal/Fountains had tried to obtain new financing to pay off the Finance Factors loan and keep the property, according to the foreclosure case records, but a preliminary auction moved forward last month, an auction at which no one was willing to offer Finance Factors more than $1 million for the 327 acres or more than $600,000 for the larger parcel.

Though more investors registered to bid at the final auction last week, only Henriques submitted a bid. His bid, which required a 10 percent down payment, is subject to closing.

According to Lemmo, DLNR permits a variety of uses under certain conditions on conservation land, including single-family residences, farming and parks. Other operations, including some kind of recycling business, might also qualify if deemed a "public use."

However, Lemmo said any such use would require a conditional use permit that would involve public hearings and publication of an environmental assessment or a more rigorous environmental impact statement.

"There are limitations to the development of that land," he said.

[udrivecrap]

well, that kinda makes sense. the land is subject and its not even worth the 2.3 balance. its only worth 1.6. so you paid 5, put down half and finance the rest. walk away now and lose 2.5 instead of refinance and lose 3.4

math is fun and easy... see? :D

[udrivecrap]

i was gonna add in the property tax for $22K but when you are counting $100K as .1 .... well, the tax and other minor expenses is not much money now is it?

[ijustrip]

i was gonna add in the property tax for $22K but when you are counting $100K as .1 .... well, the tax and other minor expenses is not much money now is it?one nada facka wen get it!that wen get all his privilages taken away, that fucken RON TAM

[ijustrip]

one nada facka wen get it!that wen get all his privilages taken away, that fucken RON TAMbetween 2006and 2009 eye awonda who fucken faces he was feeden? not da enie meanie miny moo toe gang??

[udrivecrap]

i believe....

i wonder how many complaints has the ethics committee received since it was born.. hahaha

[udrivecrap]

HONOLULU -- Councilmember Rod Tam is being forced to pay back $11,700 in city funds he spent on meals that the city Ethics Commission said were not legitimate city business.

Tam, who is planning to run for Honolulu mayor, is also being fined $2,000 for the ethics violation.

Read the Ethics Commission report.

An ethics commission investigation found he was reimbursed more than $22,000 from the council's annual contingency allowance from 2006 to 2009.

But the commission found he violated ethical standards by:
>> paying less for meals than what he charged the city.
>> claiming that meals were directly related to his city duties when some of them were with his personal business associates or with family members.


There was an $88 receipt for a meal at Kabuki Japanese Restaurant near City Hall, where he claimed to meet with two state employees about the impact of the economy on public education. The credit card receipt showed that the receipt was actually for a Valentine's Day meal with Tam's wife.

"There are some where he requested and was reimbursed for more than he actually paid for a meal," said council Chairman Todd Apo. "Again, it's not a matter of having those meals or how many you have. You can have as many as you want. You just need to make sure it's done properly."

Councilmembers are given an $18,000 annual contingency allowance to spend for things like postage, photocopies, cell phones, food and drink for official council duties.

Former Council Chairman Donovan Dela Cruz changed the contingency allowance procedure several years ago, no longer requiring the council chairman to approve expenses. Instead, each councilmember is given the annual allowance and their expenses are posted on line for the public to review.

Apo said for the time being, he will will pre-screen and must approve all of Tam's expenses up front.

The commission also discovered that Tam failed to disclose significant financial information, as required by law, for nine years about businesses and non-profits of which he was a director or officer.

Apo said Tam has been removed as chairman of the powerful Zoning Committee and will lose all other committee assignments because of his ethical breach.

"He came in voluntarily saying that he understands that he ought to give up the Zoning Committee chairmanship at this point," Apo said.

Tam had no immediate comment but said he planned to issue a statement on Friday. He agreed to pay back $11,700 and the $2,000 fine, but did not admit to any wrongdoing.

Thursday night, Councilmember Charles Djou called on Tam to resign.

“Rod Tam’s behavior, as chronicled by the Ethics Commission, is simply unacceptable. Tam has violated the public’s trust and he should resign from the City Council immediately," Djou said. “Integrity is the basic foundation of our democracy. Rod Tam has repeatedly violated our ethics code and does not deserve to serve in public office.”

In 2008, fellow councilmembers rebuked Tam for using an ethnic slur during a council meeting. The council expressed its "profound disappointment" in Tam for using the offensive term "wetbacks" when referring to undocumented workers from Mexico.

KITV 4 News raised questions about Tam's large meal expenses back in 2004 and 2007. In 2007, when KITV asked him why one third of his city expense budget paid for 127 meals at places like Zippy's, Up-Town Cafe and Liliha Seafood, he said, "Food helps bring people together. It's the local style."

In 2004, the City Ethics Commission admonished Tam for breaking ethics laws, because he helped to "expedite" building permits before the city's Planning and Permitting Department. It's against city law for city councilmembers to represent clients in front of city departments and agencies.

Tam, a former state senator, must leave the city council at the end of the year because of term limits. If he follows through on his plans to run for Honolulu mayor this year, he must step down from his council post by the campaign filing deadline in mid July.
whoa... howz that. saying you met with 2 other state guys to talk about impact of the economy on public education. wtf would they talk about, just the 3 of them? stupid... more stupid its not a meeting and instead its a valentines day dinner for his wife. :eek: da Kabuki Lounge... i bet after they had massages and happy endings. hahahaha

[udrivecrap]

between 2006and 2009 eye awonda who fucken faces he was feeden? not da enie meanie miny moo toe gang??
i think there will be more people who take some interest in politics and there will be enough to make a significant difference in the way things are done. i don't know when but its starting already..

access and news to things going on around us has become easier to do with the media and the internet.. and its fast! local news, politics, foundations, corporations, unions, states, cities, counties, weather, it goes on and on... all while its happening.

money/debt, is an ever growing critical issue and concern in our country.. it basically affects our social security and quality of life. these ol boys can't keep cockaroaching all kinds places. that takes away from you and me. if they are honest and sincere public servants doing their job they have nothing to worry about.

doing their job does not mean going to da kabuki lounge with 2 state workers to talk about booshet.

[ijustrip]

i think there will be more people who take some interest in politics and there will be enough to make a significant difference in the way things are done. i don't know when but its starting already..

access and news to things going on around us has become easier to do with the media and the internet.. and its fast! local news, politics, foundations, corporations, unions, states, cities, counties, weather, it goes on and on... all while its happening.

money/debt, is an ever growing critical issue and concern in our country.. it basically affects our social security and quality of life. these ol boys can't keep cockaroaching all kinds places. that takes away from you and me. if they are honest and sincere public servants doing their job they have nothing to worry about.

doing their job does not mean going to da kabuki lounge with 2 state workers to talk about booshet.jus likethe mayor get a contract for ship the rubbish to AMERICA then the contractor alters the deal. now the rubbish is piling up .due too the altering of the contract..

[udrivecrap]

that's like building a rail with no train that goes from haleiwa to waipahu.

seriously, wtf is that all about? bad contracts? good god!... the choochoo captain is already jumping track and the dam thing neva even break ground yet. :rolleyes:

[ijustrip]

one nada facka wen get it!that wen get all his privilages taken away, that fucken RON TAMfuzzy math and sloppy book keeping , he is the zoning committee chair WTF spookie juess many attorneys the mayor has?

[ijustrip]

fuzzy math and sloppy book keeping , he is the zoning committee chair WTF spookie juess many attorneys the mayor has?
one too many why the mayor needs so many attorneys

[udrivecrap]

you mean, Mayor Mufi Hanneman ? ...

you gotta type names or it won't appear on search engines like google.. haha :D

there's like 38 guests online here right now. Les musta hooked up with a porn site or something.

[ijustrip]

whoa... howz that. saying you met with 2 other state guys to talk about impact of the economy on public education. wtf would they talk about, just the 3 of them? stupid... more stupid its not a meeting and instead its a valentines day dinner for his wife. :eek: da Kabuki Lounge... i bet after they had massages and happy endings. hahahahahows that sarcastic look he's got RON TAM,in the front page of the newspaper!! Looks like he got some kind of shit to on them other fuckas. seems the back stabbing has jus bee gung..

[udrivecrap]

maybe, oh what tangled webs we weave, eh?

... but how stupid is pushing a bill to stop the money allowance after you get busted for spending it wrong? hellooooo... he might as well have said if he can't have it then nobody should.

you can tell a lot about a person from their eyes and their mannerism and how they speak and communicate. if you are tuned into this you can almost hear their thoughts and see their feelings as they happen. in person or on a television, its the power of observation. anyway... i think this guy tam is a weasel.

[punishum]

anyway... i think this guy tam is a weasel.

:eek: :eek: :eek:

So do you think he can be our next Mayor? :rolleyes:

[udrivecrap]

:eek: :eek: :eek:

So do you think he can be our next Mayor? :rolleyes:

oh sure, i don't see why not :D.. with the ethics committee investigating all kinds of crap, it looks like being a weasel is a prerequisite in politics.. lol

[punishum]

oh sure, i don't see why not :D.. with the ethics committee investigating all kinds of crap, it looks like being a weasel is a prerequisite in politics.. lol

So 'Sink Boi' and Jokeland should / would be shoe ins :rolleyes:

[udrivecrap]

So 'Sink Boi' and Jokeland should / would be shoe ins :rolleyes:
nah, prolly not kitchens cuz he's too young yet. Mike on the other hand... LOL... i'd vote for him. i suggested a couple years ago that he run for govenor... then maybe he could weasel us a track to play on :D.. since the infamous hawaiian land swap never came to fruition and that its gonna be a long time before there is a track on oahu...

[dirt racer]

nah, prolly not kitchens cuz he's too young yet. Mike on the other hand... LOL... i'd vote for him. i suggested a couple years ago that he run for govenor... then maybe he could weasel us a track to play on :D.. since the infamous hawaiian land swap never came to fruition and that its gonna be a long time before there is a track on oahu...

It's more likely he would close down the outer island tracks and sell the land to a commercial developer. That's what he's good at.

[udrivecrap]

maybe so dirt buddy....

i'm curious as to how many times he closed and sold the track in the 18 years or so he was there with enomoto?

[dirt racer]

maybe so dirt buddy....

i'm curious as to how many times he closed and sold the track in the 18 years or so he was there with enomoto?

One time seems to have done the trick. :(

[udrivecrap]

One time seems to have done the trick. :(
usually i give people chance even though they might screw up one time at something, maybe even twice.... in this situation there is one thing they can not recover... 4 years of rental income. ouch.

[ijustrip]

usually i give people chance even though they might screw up one time at something, maybe even twice.... in this situation there is one thing they can not recover... 4 years of rental income. ouch.how the the hell "four" a situation like this to have occured. With something enjoyable as this to be thrown away, because anything enjoyable is against the fundamental aspects of "politics"! MONEY like LT AIONA said on the talk show. Anyone, with a billion Dollars, yes BILLION dollars investment he is willing to talk too out of that billion" maybee" several MILLIONS of that could go into his cookie jar two feed some hungrayFUCKA
maybee they can go play ene meanie minee moto wiff his new boss muffie han da man

[udrivecrap]

how the the hell "four" a situation like this to have occured. With something enjoyable as this to be thrown away, because anything enjoyable is against the fundamental aspects of "politics"! MONEY like LT AIONA said on the talk show. Anyone, with a billion Dollars, yes BILLION dollars investment he is willing to talk too out of that billion" maybee" several MILLIONS of that could go into his cookie jar two feed some hungrayFUCKA
maybee they can go play ene meanie minee moto wiff his new boss muffie han da man
hahaha... well, several millions is too hard to hide. maybe $100k or so in his pocket. :eek:

i firmly believe Oakland and Enomoto didn't buy enough politicians while they had the track. if they had purchased enough, they woulda got Parcel 9 without all the drama. ahhhh... maybe the next track owner will buy politicians.

[punishum]

i firmly believe Oakland and Enomoto didn't buy enough politicians while they had the track. if they had purchased enough, they woulda got Parcel 9 without all the drama. ahhhh... maybe the next track owner will buy politicians.

:D

:rolleyes:

[ijustrip]

hahaha... well, several millions is too hard to hide. maybe $100k or so in his pocket. :eek:

i firmly believe Oakland and Enomoto didn't buy enough politicians while they had the track. if they had purchased enough, they woulda got Parcel 9 without all the drama. ahhhh... maybe the next track owner will buy politicians.what was there two by? They had the prime piece of real estate to do what ever they wanted too do.the politicans that got involved should bee,, might get prosecuted. with a little more evidence criminal charges or worse yet an indictment jus might come about.. Finger pointing and accusations can come about!.. cuz elections is around the corner.

[udrivecrap]

what was there two by? They had the prime piece of real estate to do what ever they wanted too do.the politicans that got involved should bee,, might get prosecuted. with a little more evidence criminal charges or worse yet an indictment jus might come about.. Finger pointing and accusations can come about!.. cuz elections is around the corner.
well, remember, they didn't have the real estate itself, they had the business and were renting the land from campbell for cheap. they couldn't do "anything" they wanted because it was agriculture land which is regulated and they needed permission from the land owner to alter it. typical rental scenario, without the variances they couldn't do sh*t there besides grow stuff and keep some live stock.

as all good things must come to and end, the time came that they had an option to buy the land from campbell or they could have bought more politicians on their push for P9. buying more politicians would have been cheaper than buying the land for $13 million.

they shoulda tried to buy Hanabusa, maybe they did but she was a big ticket item hanging around Stone and all.... hahahaha. i love it when politicians dig up the dirt... its what makes me feel that my vote counts.

[udrivecrap]

you guys remember when SORT and OMAC were called to DHHL? remember who was sitting at the table talking to them?

there was your proof and a glimpse of who was behind the scenes on the racetrack issue and why it didn't continue. i don't get my information from Oakland or Enomoto, i get if from everyone else and put the pieces together with a grain of salt.

had they been able to buy Hanabusa, Micah Kane would have followed suit. swapping the land would have been no problem, the hawaiians would have found out after the fact and it would have been presented as a benefit to them.

so sometimes you can donate to a politician to help your cause, sometimes you can't because of certain issues they stand on or against or because of ties they have with other customers/purchasers/donaters, or because of the ties you might have.

look how Lingle got shut down when she pissed off half the house with the hawaiian land issue... half isn't good enough to giterdone.

[udrivecrap]

you see how Mufi got the choochoo done... 51% to 49%, right?

he sends a mob, united, which is what i was getting at back in 06 when i started talking to you all about this. had you all shown up like a mob with a cause instead of a mob without a clue... oh well, f*ck it, its all pau now anyway. as Les predicted, in 5 years there will be hardly anything left of the racing community to help lobby for a racetrack... he said that late in 06.

[punishum]

well, remember, they didn't have the real estate itself, they had the business and were renting the land from campbell for cheap. they couldn't do "anything" they wanted because it was agriculture land which is regulated and they needed permission from the land owner to alter it. typical rental scenario, without the variances they couldn't do sh*t there besides grow stuff and keep some live stock.

As always Davy Boi get your facts straight. That is total and utter Bull Shit.

Before they shut the track down they could have gotten the property for Dirt and I mean literally Dirt Cheap. Less than $3 million and look what happened? The property got upzoned anyway. And as you recall the project which sold out the option to purchase was called HMC Irongate. HMC as in Hawaii Motorsports Center. Which is JOKELAND.

Now when did the option to purchase appear? The same time someone had money to buy the track and was poking around.

Look at the value of the property today at its assessed value.

You are so naive.

[punishum]

had they been able to buy Hanabusa, Micah Kane would have followed suit. swapping the land would have been no problem, the hawaiians would have found out after the fact and it would have been presented as a benefit to them.

Know your facts and do your homework. Jokeland 'HAD' Hanabusa.

The property which Jokeland leased where he had his Performance Parts store is OWNED by the Hanabusa family. She was in his camp until she realized she was lied to and that she needed to distance herself from the impending fall out with the land swap that Rep Chang was involved with. Also Jokeland falling behind on his lease rent didn't help either. That is how some guy with a transmission shop came into the picture and where his tranny shop ended up and also got involved with the track.

Get it straight, you sound like everybody else, ill informed and shouting false facts from the highest mountains.

[ijustrip]

well, remember, they didn't have the real estate itself, they had the business and were renting the land from campbell for cheap. they couldn't do "anything" they wanted because it was agriculture land which is regulated and they needed permission from the land owner to alter it. typical rental scenario, without the variances they couldn't do sh*t there besides grow stuff and keep some live stock.

as all good things must come to and end, the time came that they had an option to buy the land from campbell or they could have bought more politicians on their push for P9. buying more politicians would have been cheaper than buying the land for $13 million.

they shoulda tried to buy Hanabusa, maybe they did but she was a big ticket item hanging around Stone and all.... hahahaha. i love it when politicians dig up the dirt... its what makes me feel that my vote counts.lets say this!! enie meanie little boto,, jerk off da land,dirty kitchen sink,, didn't need anybody ,those back stabbing fuckas could have done the rezoning on there own...Buy rezoning it on there own, "OR" on behalf of the racers and racing community members,they in turn could have gotten the hole lot more money on the property and rebuilt the facility..with the rezoned property in place and the countys appraisal of 60=million they could have borrowed of some other means of getting a seconds mortgage....indictment criminal charges could would or 4 the better part should occur they {E>>J<<K..} The tee is crossed.. this could be made if the rite people get a good wiff of this .. Connecting the DOTis the next step 4 legal action..

[udrivecrap]

ahhh sh*t... just when you thought you had things straight.

excuse me a moment while it soaks in and i figure out wtf you guys just said :D

[udrivecrap]

soooo :) ... Hanabusa was doing some lite camping with Oakland where things were dirty and cheap in his tent so she got all huffy and decided to just let Stone pack her.... err, i mean, BACK her... and now they don't go fishing together anymore. :eek: :eek: :eek:

i'm gonna have to start drawings and charts on all this sh*t to make sense of it and connect the dots... around 10 years of history is all i can retain in my head without mixing information.. LOL

i bet when i finish my connect the dots it will be a mickey mouse head :D

[ijustrip]

soooo :) ... Hanabusa was doing some lite camping with Oakland where things were dirty and cheap in his tent so she got all huffy and decided to just let Stone pack her.... err, i mean, BACK her... and now they don't go fishing together anymore. :eek: :eek: :eek:

i'm gonna have to start drawings and charts on all this sh*t to make sense of it and connect the dots... around 10 years of history is all i can retain in my head without mixing information.. LOL

i bet when i finish my connect the dots it will be a mickey mouse head :DGEEZ,, Wasn't it more like Jerry "vasaline"Chang, enie meanie little boto,jerking da han oakland, use the kitchen sink.. da carracters,,oops can't faget P.G.

[punishum]

Ron Capps helped out a new project called 'Race the Vote' when he was here in Hawaii last week and helped shoot the first of 3 scheduled Public Service Announcements. That will air on all the Tv stations and cable this election season.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYVGHPcF1no

The producing of the PSA also got exposure on Hawaii News Now last Friday.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COA0DbHykMI

And Ron Capps has been pushing to help our racing community with this 'Race the Vote' project get some national exposure.

http://dragracingonline.com/agent1320/2010/1320-xii_3-33.html

Get involved. Spread the word.

[udrivecrap]

i've always liked Ed, i voted for him before. props to Ron for his help. i was waiting to see this PSA.. thanks Tracey!

[punishum]

click on this, it only takes a minute :D --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHKTE75dgE4

was Auweiiight . . . :D

[udrivecrap]

i don't know how long this link will last. http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20100329/BUSINESS/3290320/Old+Island+raceway+site+has+new+owner

soooooo.... any of you guys know people in New York? i might now some people... lol

[udrivecrap]

this quote is from an article by Howard:

New York investors have bought Hawaii Raceway Park in Kapolei. The buyer paid off the 13-million-dollar-mortgage, racing around a foreclosure auction procedure that had Alexander & Baldwin as high bidder. Either way, the land won't be a raceway. It's too valuable for development.

[punishum]

Now how can you restate the obvious. Didn't Dirt and I mention that and tried to drill it into Y'all :eek:

[udrivecrap]

lets not talk about "drilling" or "backing" for a little bit.. LOL!

[dirt racer]

Wow, finally someone with the balls (besides Punishum) to report on the option payment to the HMC partners.



A company affiliated with New York-based investment firm Angelo Gordon & Co. has acquired the former site of Hawaii Raceway Park in Kapolei.

The company swooped in prior to a final foreclosure auction proceeding last week to purchase the property, upsetting an attempt by Honolulu-based Alexander & Baldwin Inc. to acquire the 66-acre parcel zoned for industrial use.

Angelo Gordon is an investment advisory firm that began investing in commercial real estate in 1993. The company focuses on investment opportunities outside the mainstream, and since 1993 has acquired more than $11 billion of property.

Often Angelo Gordon purchases real estate with local partners, but it's unclear what role the company has in acquiring the Hawaii Raceway parcel.

A representative of the firm didn't respond to a request for comment last week.

According to business records, two affiliates of AG/CW Raceway Holdings LLC acquired the raceway property. AG/CW's mailing address is Angelo Gordon's New York headquarters.

AG/CW Raceway arranged to purchase the property and pay off a delinquent mortgage just before an auction sale was to be finalized last week.

California development firm Irongate Capital bought the property from Campbell Estate in 2006 for $13.2 million with a side deal to pay the former racetrack operator for an option it held to buy the property.

Irongate planned to develop a 90-lot industrial subdivision on the site and got the land rezoned for such use, but ran into financial trouble before it could realize its development plan.

Two lenders, MKA Real Estate Opportunity Fund I LLC and iStar FM Loans LLC, filed foreclosure lawsuits to repossess the property in 2008 and 2009.

Prior to a preliminary foreclosure auction in February, A&B purchased the primary loan from iStar for a discount and used the value of the roughly $12.7 million mortgage debt to make an $11 million credit bid for the property.

The move by A&B was its first foray into buying distressed debt secured by real estate, and was a strategy to acquire ownership of the land.

Meanwhile, MKA had assumed Irongate's position as landowner by acquiring the deed to the property in lieu of its foreclosure case.

But before a court confirmation hearing of the A&B (former iStar) foreclosure sale last week, AG/CW Raceway arranged to buy the property from MKA and pay off the mortgage held by A&B for an undisclosed sum.

An A&B spokeswoman confirmed that A&B no longer has an interest in the Hawaii Raceway parcel, though the company is believed to have profited from its loan purchase.

[dirt racer]

i don't know how long this link will last.

Why would the link not last?

You know someone that doesn't want some information out in the public?

Too late now wouldn't you say? :rolleyes:

[udrivecrap]

yes yes, i would say :D

before, when i'd post links to articles it would fall in the archives, then you have to pay to see it. like around 3 months, iirc.

[Mud Packer]

hey dirt, check this one out

http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/main/ArticlesMain/tabid/56/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/1920/Fireworks-dirt-and-stolen-trucks-Colleen-Hanabusa-and-the-Honolulu-Raceway-Deal.aspx

[punishum]

hey dirt, check this one out

http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/main/ArticlesMain/tabid/56/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/1920/Fireworks-dirt-and-stolen-trucks-Colleen-Hanabusa-and-the-Honolulu-Raceway-Deal.aspx

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

'NO way' :rolleyes:

[udrivecrap]

great read....

Tuesday, March 30, 2010
Fireworks, dirt, and stolen trucks: Colleen Hanabusa and the Honolulu Raceway Deal
By Andrew Walden :: 154 Views :: Oahu News, Oahu Politics, Hawaii State News, Hawaii State Politics, National News, National Politics
by Andrew Walden

Did Colleen Hanabusa pick up where Jerry Chang left off?

As the 2006 legislative session came to a close, a three-way land swap was being negotiated to build a new racetrack on Oahu after the closure of Honolulu Raceway park at Barbers Point. The Legislative deal exploded in the faces of its sponsors when it was revealed that Rep. Jerry Chang (D-Hilo) and the father-in-law of Sen. Suzanne Chun-Oakland (D-Kalihi) had a personal stake in the parcels being traded.

Even before their self-dealing became known, Oakland and Chang's proposal had met with opposition from dirt track racers--and the dirt racers' chief ally, Senate President Colleen Hanabusa (D-Koolina). The same Colleen Hanabusa who had a couple of years earlier moved heaven and earth to get a $75M tax credit for Ko Olina--in spite of her deep personal involvement with that project--came out against spending $1M of State money to buy the new raceway site, allegedly because the site plan did not include a dirt track.

Commentators and legislators patted themselves on the back and tut-tutted about Chang and Oakland's ethical lapse. The episode was proclaimed a victory over corruption. It seemed like the end of the story--but it wasn't.

Hanabusa's opposition to the Chang-Oakland land swap helped launch the quest for a new Honolulu raceway down a twisted path littered with stolen trucks, incinerated porta-potties, bunkers loaded with fireworks, and of course, huge mounds of illegal dirt.

When the Advertiser in 2004 had exposed business dealings between then-State Sheriff John Sousa and two convicted felons, Souza said he was considering resigning and acknowledged "The appearance is bad." Souza had extended $25,000 credit to organized crime figure Jonnaven Monalim as part of a deal to sell seven Makaha acres of former Hanabusa family property. Another convicted felon was managing Souza's Pueo Trucking company while Souza was Sheriff.

But just two years later, Hanabusa's husband Souza would form a close working relationship with one George Grace III. Their plan: To build a new Honolulu raceway, just yards from the old one, on Hawaiians Homelands "Parcel 24" at Barber's Point / Kalaeloa. After working closely with Grace, Souza would extend him financing to facilitate Grace's May, 2009 purchase of Pueo Trucking, LLC.

Pueo Trucking shows up on Hanabusa's financial disclosure reports for both 2008 and 2009. In the 2008 disclosure, Hanabusa reports personally representing Pueo Trucking before the State Public Utilities Commission.

Unlike Monalim, a search of the Hawaii criminal database indicates that George Grace III has never been convicted of a crime. But the controversial owner of porta-potty rental firm Paradise Lua has had a court-documented interest in stolen trucks going back to the 1990s.

Grace came out on the losing end of a civil case before the Hawaii Supreme Court, April 30, 2003. Grace and his in-laws, Bernard and Hester Lum, had each sued the Honolulu PD for return of trucks seized by police in December 1998 and January, 1999. Deeming them to be stolen because the VINs were altered, police took two trucks from Paradise Lua's fleet and one from the Lum's home.

The court decision recounts the history of the VIN displayed on the Ford F-150 truck seized from Grace's In-laws:

"the VIN found on the truck taken from the Lums rightfully belonged to a Ford 350 regular cab truck once owned by an outfit called Commercial Lift. This latter truck got into an accident, was declared a total loss, and was purchased by a party named Grace...."

The court ended by upholding all three HPD seizures, explaining:

"(There is)... substantial evidence before the court that the truck HPD seized from the Lums was a stolen truck with VINs altered to conceal its status...."

"As the court has made the factual determination that [Grace] knowingly possessed vehicles with altered VIN numbers, both (trucks with license plate numbers) LUA02 and 224TPC are deemed to be contraband."

After losing the civil case, Grace and three other defendants were indicted on seven counts of first degree theft by a State Grand Jury on October 29, 1997. (Case # 1PC97-0-002655) Grace's co-defendants all made plea deals: Stephen Higa pled no contest on November 12, 1998; Donald P Dias pled guilty on January 8, 1999; William "Bulla" Nelson pled no contest on May 11, 1999. In spite of this, attorneys managed to win dismissal of the charges against Grace "for prosecutorial misconduct" on February 10, 1999.

After the State's failure, a federal grand jury in 2001 indicted Grace and four other defendants. The Star-Bulletin July 26, 2001 explained:

A federal grand jury has indicted five men for conspiring to set fire to commercial trucks owned by truck rental companies on Oahu between 1996 and 1999.

Three of the defendants also are alleged to have torched about 56 portable toilets in February 1999 that belonged to a competitor of one of the men indicted, George Grace III, who owns Paradise Lua....

The porta potties went up in flames at Aloha Stadium in the early morning hours of February 24, 1999--about the time no contest and guilty pleas were being presented by the State defendants and just 14 days after Grace won dismissal of the State charges against him.

The Star-Bulletin continues:

The indictment was filed yesterday in U.S. District Court against Grace, Paradise Lua employee Keoki Medeiros, Joseph Mangca, William "Bulla" Nelson and Scott Silva.

The indictment charges the defendants and unindicted co-conspirators with the theft and destruction of trucks ranging from $45,000 GMC vans to a $130,000 Kenworth truck....

The Kenworth truck was brought to Grace's Waianae property on Iliili Road on Aug. 1, 1996, where it was dismantled by Grace and two other conspirators, according to the indictment....

On Aug. 6, 1996, Grace, Mangca and two co-conspirators loaded the stolen Kenworth parts onto the stolen GMC truck, and the truck was driven to a cane field in Kunia. Gasoline was poured over the Kenworth parts and the stolen GMC and both set afire, the indictment said....

Grace, Mangca and Nelson are charged with conspiring to destroy portable toilets owned by a competitor "for the purpose of giving defendant Grace a commercial advantage in the toilet rental business," the indictment alleges.

Facing these charges, Nelson pled guilty August 19, 2002. Charges were dismissed against Grace and the three others. Less than four years later, Grace would be at the center of the raceway disputes.

As they were challenging the Chang-Oakland raceway land swap, Hanabusa's dirt-racer allies March 24, 2006 registered with DCCA a non-profit corporation named S.O.R.T. -- an acronym standing for "Save Oahu's Race Tracks". Chaired by racing community leader Evelyn Souza, the officers included her husband Franklin Souza, George Grace III, and his wife Jeanette Grace, daughter of Bernard and Hester Lum. Evelyn and Franklin Souza are not related to John Souza.

The non-profit S.O.R.T. negotiated a month-to-month DHHL "revocable permit", beginning August 23, 2007. Between August, 2007 and April, 2008 cancelled checks show $19,675 in rents and deposits paid to by S.O.R.T. to DHHL.

But there was a double cross. Hawaiian Homes Commission minutes February 24, 2009 state:

“At a meeting that took place in February, 2008, (then-DHHL Chair Micah Kane) claimed it was determined that George Grace be the ‘point of contact.’"

DCCA records show that George Grace III registered a separate, for-profit corporation named Save Oahu's Race Tracks, LLC on March 21, 2008—apparently after receiving the lease from DHHL. Grace's new corporation was given DHHL RP #411 covering Parcel 24.

Why would DHHL do this? One racing community leader explains:

"There were millions of dollars of (DHHL) appropriations on the line. We were told that is was necessary for the Department to keep Colleen happy. And if John Souza was happy, Colleen was happy."

At the time, on-line debate raged between Grace and supporters of the ousted non-profit S.O.R.T. Grace's postings were always signed, "Posted by JS3, forums poster for Humble George."

A S.O.R.T. supporter asked:

"Why is John Souza III going with you to the DHHL meetings if he's not making any money on the deal?"

The answer, signed "JS3, forums poster for Humble George" was,

"...I openly admitted that I couldn't read, but I can comprehend very well. I taunted you about comprehension many posts ago. And I meant it as a joke. but, I seriously think that you have a problem, either with comprehension or a mental block. Because you keep babbling about the same crap. Or as lawyers would say asked and answered, which means that you asked that before and I had answered you many times. And I told you, morons and I said morons with an "s" that js3 stands for "just sitting in third round"....

"As far as John Souza, he is one of the biggest supporters of our efforts from the very beginning. And I say 'our' as in everyone that supports 'Save Oahu's Race Tracks'. The Souzas (Evelyn and Franklin Souza) know that. And yes, he is the man my trucking company came from. And yes, he sat in many meetings with the Souza's and I and DHHL."

[udrivecrap]

In a March 27, 2008 posting "JS3, forums poster for Humble George" explained, "Please be patient. As you know, my postings take two people."

Then the evictions began.

The New York headquarters of Grucci Fireworks, a subtenant which had been leasing an old munitions bunker on the property from the non-profit S.O.R.T., allegedly received a disturbing April 10, 2008 telephone call which Grucci's Controller Jack Grennan described in an email sent the next day to S.O.R.T., DHHL, and Grucci's local representatives:

"About 3:00EST I received a phone call from Hawaii supposedly from a girl named Jennifer. As soon as I got on the phone this man with an Hawaiian accent jumps on yelling, making irrational threats, using the f BOMB several times and making incoherent threats including a reference to a gun. I tried to calm him down and told him if he had any questions he could contact our local representative ... to deal with the situation His behavior grew louder and more threatening. He then stated he was going to lock the gates and throw our property out the bunkers if we didn't pay up. He then said if we tried to cut the locks and gain entry to our bunkers he was going to f##### blow us off the property. He then slammed the phone and hung up. This is my recollection of the phone call. This guy George was totally out of control, unprofessional, and very threatening."

After being contacted by Grucci's local representative, a DHHL property manager emailed back:

"I contacted Mr Grace to inform him of the allegations made in your letter regarding his statements made to Grucci personnel in New York. Mr Grace denied making them."

On April 9, 2008, Grace wrote to Evelyn and Franklin Souza:

"I am hearby giving notice that effective immediately, I am humbly asking both you Franklin and Evelyn Souza to stay off of any of my properties, with greater respect to Parcel 24....If you refuse to honor my request, I will have to contact the local authorities and proceed with trespass violations."

Massive amounts of dirt from nearby property developments were being dumped on the property, ostensibly for the construction of a dirt track--but also saving tipping fees which could otherwise be charged to load haulers. According to a March 30, 2008 web posting by "Humble George" who identified himself as George Grace III:

"(T)he dump takes the dirt for free, cause it has no rubbish. If you have rubbish mixed, it's $35 per ton. One dump truck averages 20 tons x 2000 loads. You do the math."

If the loads were not accepted as being free of rubbish by the dump, the savings would be substantial. Twenty tons times 2,000 loads times $35 per ton would equal $1.4M. As "JS3, forums poster for Humble George" explained:

"The truckers are kicking in $25 from their proceeds to the project. When we get paid from the contractor 'Royal', the proceeds or donations from all the truckers will go into an account which will be used to purchase other necessitated for the project. After I take my donation from my proceeds from the 3 trucks I own, the balance will go to labor, fuel, wear & tear, misc expenses such as insurance, and taxes. After that, whatever is left over, will probably go to help pay the note on other equipment that I've purchased to help with the project."

Answering a question about complaints from the City, another posting signed "JS3, forums poster for Humble George" explains:

"FYI, there are huge supporters from both city and state, with high ranking positions. Who will see to it that I be given a chance, real soon, to address the HCDA board."

But Grace's "high ranking" supporters apparently did not impress the Honolulu Community Development Administration. On May 14, 2008 the City issued Notice of violation No. 2008/NOV-04-223 to Save Oahu's Race Tracks LLC, threatening Grace's company with $1000/day fines for stockpiling 34,878 cubic yards of dirt without a permit.

Paperwork was shuffled back and forth for months, but eventually the threat of fines forced removal of the dirt. Today Oahu racers are no closer to opening a new track than they were in 2006.

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LINKS: Hawaii Supreme Court decision April 30, 2003

ADV: Raceway debate picking up speed

Hanabusa, Souza tied to Pali Golf course shooters’ mob

Cayetano: Hanabusa's Broken Trust connections lead to Ko Olina

what is there to say except... holy sh*t. throw in the Hanabusa family also owning the land under the business that the former hawaii raceway park owner rented and it looks kinda funny. yah?

oh yeah, Les.. i had to split it in two posts because you have a 10,000 character limit and it was like 14,000+...lol forum phail.

[punishum]

what is there to say except... holy sh*t. throw in the Hanabusa family also owning the land under the business that the former hawaii raceway park owner rented and it looks kinda funny. yah?

oh yeah, Les.. i had to split it in two posts because you have a 10,000 character limit and it was like 14,000+...lol forum phail.

have you ever noticed ( Andy Rooney VO insert here ) that splanin' corruption takes more than 10,000 expletives :eek:
:D :D :D

[dirt racer]

what is there to say except... holy sh*t. throw in the Hanabusa family also owning the land under the business that the former hawaii raceway park owner rented and it looks kinda funny. yah?

oh yeah, Les.. i had to split it in two posts because you have a 10,000 character limit and it was like 14,000+...lol forum phail.

The forum designers probably didn't anticipate the amount of shit that would be going down. :eek: :eek: :eek:

This info coming out now can't be good for the Hanabusa congressional campaign.

[punishum]

The forum designers probably didn't anticipate the amount of shit that would be going down. :eek: :eek: :eek:

This info coming out now can't be good for the Hanabusa congressional campaign.

Speak of the devil, did Y'all se this?

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20100331/COLUMNISTS21/3310321/Hanabusa-TV-ad-boldly-deceptive

Especially the comments. This is good bathroom read, especially to wipe your butt with. :rolleyes:

[udrivecrap]

this is a great link, http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/main/ArticlesMain/tabid/56/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/978/Cayetano-Hanabusas-Broken-Trust-connections-lead-to-Ko-Olina.aspx

its old but has lots of information and links to more articles. for some reason what stands out is the difference in the down money for the 3bdrm condo purchased from Stone. also, how is selling it to your fiance NOT selling it to you?

hmmm.... you guys think Chang woulda bought a luxury condo on P9 from Enomoto and "forgot" about the down payment amount? LOL...

[punishum]

this is a great link, http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/main/ArticlesMain/tabid/56/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/978/Cayetano-Hanabusas-Broken-Trust-connections-lead-to-Ko-Olina.aspx

its old but has lots of information and links to more articles. for some reason what stands out is the difference in the down money for the 3bdrm condo purchased from Stone. also, how is selling it to your fiance NOT selling it to you?

hmmm.... you guys think Chang woulda bought a luxury condo on P9 from Enomoto and "forgot" about the down payment amount? LOL...

:D Never thought of that. I saw Chang wearing a racing jacket once. SO my guess is he works cheap.

And Hanabusa wants to be our rep in Congress. Did you see this spin that she is drawing fire on too ?

http://www.kitv.com/video/23021155/index.html

[TooDeep]

Can you picture this bitch blowing Ripper Collins? Bet you throw her a dozen bananas and she will stop. Too bad get makapiapia coming out of her whale eye; I would tap dat hairy coco butt.

[udrivecrap]

Can you picture this bitch blowing Ripper Collins? Bet you throw her a dozen bananas and she will stop. Too bad get makapiapia coming out of her whale eye; I would tap dat hairy coco butt.

mannn.... that's just gross. i wouldn't tap that even if you gave me a condo in Ko'Olina for FREE :eek:

all this talk about camping, packing, butts, bj's..... them fakkas were all having sex i just know it. if porn videos surface on any of these people mentioned in this thread... i'm gonna throw up.

[udrivecrap]

geeeewhizzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....some people must really want Hanabusa out. its all over this mornings news... what a shocker. :D

[punishum]

geeeewhizzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....some people must really want Hanabusa out. its all over this mornings news... what a shocker. :D

She 'WANTs' to movin' on up to the east side. But she will still maintain what she has even in defeat. Kind of like being allowed to steal for second base, you get tagged out but you get a FREEBIE and can go back to first base and try again. I believe this is her third try at this. Ed already beat her before but it was for the 2nd Congressional District which is rural Hawaii. That means Waianae was part of that district and voters from the west side contributed votes to her final tally. But still she came up way short.

They need to change the LAW on this as Mufi has to step down to run for Gov. The sad part with this situation is that even when the smoke clears and if she loses this special election Hanabusa WON'T be a CIVILIAN again. Still Senate President none the less. Hopefully even that would come to an end and she will be just a regular state senator. There was a coup attempt before the start of the present legislative session to oust her from the President post. A lot of wrangling went on and once adversaries became allies as she dolled out better seats of power within the senate. Like getting appointed to chairmanships or leadership positions in exchange for support. You can tell, just be observant who is around the Hanabusa when in public. :rolleyes:

[Mud Packer]

hey check out Kitchens site, this is some funny shit :D


Fawk that...not even going to chime in. It's a waste of time. I'm done dealing with people like that.

Previous post on HT
Hawaii Raceway Park new owner

Also, we had a discussion about this already on HT, and simply because the term "raceway" is in there doesn't mean anything. It kinda infuriates me, because these new LLCs keep using the term "raceway" which just gives people false hope. I've already talked to the new owners, and it's the same as the feedlot which is "highest and best use" for the property. It's the same plan Alexander & Baldwin had for the property. Raceway, if it's highest and best use for that parcel, is what it will become, but I highly, HIGHLY doubt it until I see more info on it. Raceways just don't make money...not on Oahu.

The simple truth is that people are going to think they know what's going on, and say what they want to say...but until there's a track opening up, noone really knows anything. Getting stuff built here isn't as easy as people think...it's a long, arduous process, and if you don't have the right connections, you're not gonna get squat done. Even if you have land, and money, and follow the rules...because people are going to try and stop your progress just to see you fail.

I've been part of two separate projects to build a racetrack. And both have been hamstrung by the same damn people. I mean, is noone good enough? Just blows my mind! KRP is still getting crap from the other side that CrazyH mentioned...still! F'ing ridiculous...let it go already, and let it happen. Stop trying to f everything up all the time.

So no, it's a waste of time to say anything more than that.

[dirt racer]

Even if you have land, and money, and follow the rules...because people are going to try and stop your progress just to see you fail.


Land, hmmm let's see. P9 is being leased by someone else, and P24 is covered with archaeological sites. So you've got no land.

Money, yeah I guess your "projects" did make some money by selling the track (which is the reason we don't have a track in the first place), and some money from the illegal dumping. But money that's used for personal purpose really doesn't help the racing community much now does it?

Follow the rules? - now that's too funny. Would this be setting up a State Rep. to make $9 million off the bill he introduced? Or the illegal dumping of 34,000 cubic yards of dirt, which incurred a County fine, which you have to pay (and can't) in order to get the needed permits?

Of course just because your groups did all this and it's been documented in the media, doesn't mean it's your groups fault. It must be someone else's fault because they want to see you fail.

[punishum]

Nobody is stopping anyone.

Hey, here's the million dollar question. Now what does P9 and P24 have in common? Anybody?

[udrivecrap]

.... they both have P in it? :confused:

saw Mr.Apo today... shook his hand... he was buying potato chips. :rolleyes:

i was buying fruits, turkey meat and yogurt.... and wine. :D

[punishum]

.... they both have P in it? :confused

Good one, they both Pee'd on themselves but no. Besides having 2 separate sets of the same type of liars, they run off of the same playbook. BUT they both have one thing in common.

They both have the exact same spinster spewing lies and spokesperson, "SINK BOI" :eek:

No one is doing squat to stop anything but themselves.

[LJW]

Hey Kitchens, you not done selling your ass yet?

[AAX]

Seriously guys...I just took a stroll through this site, and really...this is what you do with your spare time? What gives? And the names? Tracy? What the f man...do you really have to go that route. How many times do I have to stick my hand out before you will take it and give up the anger trip.

I mean...I haven't corresponded to any of you in quite awhile. And the condemnation/P9 thing was way back in 2006. You guys are still hanging on that crutch?

We all made choices, we all have even made mistakes. But I'm out here trying to do something...regardless of what any of you think, say, or feel, I'm still trying to make things happen. Whether it's with Oakland...or with Jr...or with anyone else that comes in and tries to get something built.

Yeah...I may have made a choice to follow Oakland in the beginning. I may have been more of a follower than a leader back then. I may have been suckered into doing some things that I regret. But I did it with the best of intentions, and the desire to get something better. If you seriously think I'm the reason condemnation failed, then you really have got bigger things to worry about than me.

I seriously don't understand how you can bedevil me...belittle me for standing for something that I believed, and then defending it. I mean, didn't you guys go to war with us over P9 and vice versa? Weren't you throwing stones against our houses? Didn't you fight for what you believed in? Or did half that shiat just not happen? Did I not see half of you there making negative testimony about something that we wanted to see happen? Just because it's your opinion that it's wrong doesn't make mine any less worth saying. It was tit-for-tat...do you not even admit that? All of you act like you weren't responsible for any of the negativity that happened FOUR years ago. Like nothing was on you for what happened.

Most of you were right there in front of DHHL when I said I'd do whatever I can to make it happen. That's what I've been doing since. What happened with SORT was not my business, and not my responsibility. Hell, I tried to make amends with all of you. I'm here to build a track. That's the extent of my focus, and that's about it.

Tracy, you've done alotta bad shiat towards me. The letter to the media for my BTT show, the threats, the SS stuff (yepz), the youtube campaigns, and your constant tirades against me on this site are just too much. Are you trying to make this personal? I mean...why? I never sent any letters against you for your xd1 crap. Did it have my name on it? And yeah, I took you to task for the way you treated our drivers...but it was mostly because of the severe animosity you were showing me at the time that influenced it. I saw your good will PM to me on here a few months back, but apparently it was too late to cross that bridge. It's too bad I didn't come on here more often...maybe things would be different.

Les, I've still got PMs from you on HT about working together to do something. I still remember helping you start and push your car. I still think your car is badazz. I still remember thinking you were a cool guy and fun to hang with at the track. I'm really not sure what the hell happened. I just remember fighting to get something to happen for P9 and then all this shiat came tumbling down and we're at each other's throats. But that was a long while back...can't we just f'ing let it go? I'm not in this to have enemies...that wasn't even part of the deal when I signed up.

I'm not evil. I'm not some money-driven asshole hell bent on whatever the hell you guys think Im doing. I'm a decent guy. A guy with a family, a guy that cares about racing, and cares about building something for our community.

I'm asking you nicely to cut the shiat talk...if for nothing better than to end this bickering that has been going on for way too long. I'm seriously sick of it...and it's so completely unnecessary. This is about a track...it's not about any specific person. And you're just taking it way too personal. If there's one thing I've realized...it's that we're not going to get anything done as long as we're warring with each other. That's why I stopped responding to any of this crap anymore.

But enough is enough...someone took it too far, to the point that it almost negatively affected my family in a big way, and I'm just saying...quit this shit. Seriously. Before it goes too far. Please.

[punishum]

Seriously guys...I just took a stroll through this site, and really...this is what you do with your spare time? What gives? And the names? Tracy? What the f man...do you really have to go that route. How many times do I have to stick my hand out before you will take it and give up the anger trip.

Look Mike, you started all of this not me. Sending negative letters to the area neighborhood boards about my drifting events. You were even an invited guest but still you had to try and kill something that wasn't yours.

Tracy, you've done alotta bad shiat towards me. The letter to the media for my BTT show, the threats, the SS stuff (yepz), the youtube campaigns, and your constant tirades against me on this site are just too much. Are you trying to make this personal? I mean...why? I never sent any letters against you for your xd1 crap. Did it have my name on it? And yeah, I took you to task for the way you treated our drivers...but it was mostly because of the severe animosity you were showing me at the time that influenced it. I saw your good will PM to me on here a few months back, but apparently it was too late to cross that bridge. It's too bad I didn't come on here more often...maybe things would be different.

Don't play the victim. You never sent any letters with your name on it that is but you did. And emails to offices and was part of filing a claim against me with the Better Business. Speaking of which even after you maliciously went out of your way hiding from behind your computer to defame MY character and efforts I still called you to get you involved. And as even you said olive branches were sent by various entities what did you do? NO RESPONSE.

I'm not evil. :confused: Really? Isn't that what the serpent said in the Garden of Eden. Look Sink, don't call me out and try and paint a rosy pic. Or should I call you 'SAINT' Sink? Cause that you are definitely not. 'Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.' You threw first baby after I tried to work with everybody. But still you and others like you who don't even know me spread all these rumors. Now you want to cry Uncle?

But enough is enough...someone took it too far, to the point that it almost negatively affected my family in a big way, and I'm just saying...quit this shit. Seriously. Before it goes too far. Please.

Cause here we tell the truth and respect it. The word 'TRUTH' is something foreign to you and the people you work with.

I have fought against anyone who has tried to stop racing, screw, taint, mess with the community and supported those who wanted to do good in the racing community while those like yourself and other cronies did anything to do an action to the detriment of it, I slammed All of YOU. That was never fair for the people who so desperately just want to go back to racing again to be deceived and led down blind paths.

Look Sink, you did it to yourself. But still you keep posting lies on other sites. Don't come here trying to pretend you are some kind of victim and you have been the poster choir boi. Cause you are not. Go spew forth your vial misinformation to others that you can at least deceive. Cause here we at least have a few brain cells to know when we are being told "LIES" and can identify the people who spread them. Which is 'YOU'.

[LJW]

Seriously guys...I just took a stroll through this site, and really...this is what you do with your spare time? What gives? And the names? Tracy? What the f man...do you really have to go that route. How many times do I have to stick my hand out before you will take it and give up the anger trip.

I mean...I haven't corresponded to any of you in quite awhile. And the condemnation/P9 thing was way back in 2006. You guys are still hanging on that crutch?

We all made choices, we all have even made mistakes. But I'm out here trying to do something...regardless of what any of you think, say, or feel, I'm still trying to make things happen. Whether it's with Oakland...or with Jr...or with anyone else that comes in and tries to get something built.

Yeah...I may have made a choice to follow Oakland in the beginning. I may have been more of a follower than a leader back then. I may have been suckered into doing some things that I regret. But I did it with the best of intentions, and the desire to get something better. If you seriously think I'm the reason condemnation failed, then you really have got bigger things to worry about than me.

I seriously don't understand how you can bedevil me...belittle me for standing for something that I believed, and then defending it. I mean, didn't you guys go to war with us over P9 and vice versa? Weren't you throwing stones against our houses? Didn't you fight for what you believed in? Or did half that shiat just not happen? Did I not see half of you there making negative testimony about something that we wanted to see happen? Just because it's your opinion that it's wrong doesn't make mine any less worth saying. It was tit-for-tat...do you not even admit that? All of you act like you weren't responsible for any of the negativity that happened FOUR years ago. Like nothing was on you for what happened.

Most of you were right there in front of DHHL when I said I'd do whatever I can to make it happen. That's what I've been doing since. What happened with SORT was not my business, and not my responsibility. Hell, I tried to make amends with all of you. I'm here to build a track. That's the extent of my focus, and that's about it.

Tracy, you've done alotta bad shiat towards me. The letter to the media for my BTT show, the threats, the SS stuff (yepz), the youtube campaigns, and your constant tirades against me on this site are just too much. Are you trying to make this personal? I mean...why? I never sent any letters against you for your xd1 crap. Did it have my name on it? And yeah, I took you to task for the way you treated our drivers...but it was mostly because of the severe animosity you were showing me at the time that influenced it. I saw your good will PM to me on here a few months back, but apparently it was too late to cross that bridge. It's too bad I didn't come on here more often...maybe things would be different.

Les, I've still got PMs from you on HT about working together to do something. I still remember helping you start and push your car. I still think your car is badazz. I still remember thinking you were a cool guy and fun to hang with at the track. I'm really not sure what the hell happened. I just remember fighting to get something to happen for P9 and then all this shiat came tumbling down and we're at each other's throats. But that was a long while back...can't we just f'ing let it go? I'm not in this to have enemies...that wasn't even part of the deal when I signed up.

I'm not evil. I'm not some money-driven asshole hell bent on whatever the hell you guys think Im doing. I'm a decent guy. A guy with a family, a guy that cares about racing, and cares about building something for our community.

I'm asking you nicely to cut the shiat talk...if for nothing better than to end this bickering that has been going on for way too long. I'm seriously sick of it...and it's so completely unnecessary. This is about a track...it's not about any specific person. And you're just taking it way too personal. If there's one thing I've realized...it's that we're not going to get anything done as long as we're warring with each other. That's why I stopped responding to any of this crap anymore.

But enough is enough...someone took it too far, to the point that it almost negatively affected my family in a big way, and I'm just saying...quit this shit. Seriously. Before it goes too far. Please.

Mike, all I gotta say is, if you knew that there was tension between the SORT members, be it about the lease, money, whatever, you should have never got in the middle of it. Thats like if you (example) broke up with your girlfriend, and somebody thought they could solve the problem steps in, and winds up dating her, how would you feel? And now, she's going around telling everybody how bad you used to treat her, etc.. and you know for a fact that it wasn't true, what do you do? Do you sit back and let it ruin you, or do you try to set the record straight? The problem here is that you got into something that is waaaay over your head. And on top of that, you constantly mislead people about a subject (racing) that alot of people take seriously enough to believe YOU. I for one, know bs when I hear it. And I'm saying, if you thought that you weren't going to get flack over this, you mind must really be out there! Oh, and by the way, it did get too far. I think you need to gather yourself and just stick to putting on car shows. I dont see any problem in doing that.

[udrivecrap]

Thats like if you (example) broke up with your girlfriend, and somebody thought they could solve the problem steps in, and winds up dating her, how would you feel? And now, she's going around telling everybody how bad you used to treat her, etc.. and you know for a fact that it wasn't true, what do you do? Do you sit back and let it ruin you, or do you try to set the record straight?

i would set the record straight and tell erryone what a ho she is... den she going smash my windshield when i stay sleeping lidat. dats when i going get piss off and go her work and treten her boss cuz i going accuse him of bangin DAT HO.

that'll fix my street credit.. lol

[udrivecrap]

nah... i'd prolly not say anything and ignore dat ho... start dating twins and going to all night parties. f*ck dat b*tch..

[dirt racer]

I may have made a choice to follow Oakland in the beginning. I may have been more of a follower than a leader back then. I may have been suckered into doing some things that I regret. But I did it with the best of intentions


I'm sure you've heard the proverb -

"the road to hell is paved with good intentions"

But let's forget the P9/HRP sale for a minute and focus on Parcel 24. What has Parcel 24 accomplished for the racers? The bills we got introduced to save HRP at the State were killed because of Parcel 24. HB567 was also killed because of Parcel 24. SCCA had hired a professional lobbyist who reworded HB567 from a cost study, to requiring the State to set aside a parcel of land suitable for racing. That bill made it all the way through conference, and could have saved the feedlot for a raceway. It was killed because of Parcel 24.

And what do we really have with Parcel 24? That site is covered with archaeological sites, concrete bunkers, and even has other tenants on it. You can't fit a drag strip, or a road course there. You can't even fit a dirt track without going onto the other tenants' land. The dirt track at HRP had twice the land area you have at Parcel 24. Now you go around showing everyone a track layout with all these venues included to get the racers' support, when you knew those venues wouldn't fit on the property. Don't you think that's the slight bit dishonest? You want to say that was your "dream", did you tell all the racers you asked for support that it was just a dream?

By gathering up support for Parcel 24, you are killing any chance for State/County help on the racetrack issue. And a racetrack on Oahu is too big a project for any private effort. What private operation on Oahu has their business sitting on 100 acres of commercial land?

The State/County are probably very happy with you. That's because they don't really want to do anything to help the racers. Parcel 24 gets DHHL off the hook for P9, and the City Council off the hook for condemnation of HRP. And let's not forget the sale of Pueo Trucking. What the stupid racers end up with is a worthless piece of property they can't do anything with.
KEEP THOSE SUPPORT LETTERS COMING!

And one other thing Mike. If you're going to go blaming someone else for hamstringing your efforts, please state their names publicly and exactly what they're doing to attack your project. Better yet, get it published in a newspaper so everyone can know what's going on. Otherwise it's just bullshit.

I have no personal grudges against anyone.

[dirt racer]

i would set the record straight and tell erryone what a ho she is... den she going smash my windshield when i stay sleeping lidat. dats when i going get piss off and go her work and treten her boss cuz i going accuse him of bangin DAT HO.

that'll fix my street credit.. lol

Sounds like Detroit math lessons:

Dwayne pimps 3 ho's. If the price is $85 per trick, how many tricks per day must each ho turn to support Dwayne's $800 per day Crack habit?

[AAX]

I'm going to take the time to respond to the last few posts, but then I'm done. If you see anything more from me, it'll be in official letterhead with someone else's name at the bottom. The reason I posted was because I'm tired of being dragged into your personal flame war. Coming here and reading the amount of remarks that I have seen about my person is pretty f'ed up. It's one thing to be against someone's position...it's another to say some of the crap that I've got copied on my hard drive from this site. I am not your tackling dummy, and I'm not going to put up with this crap.

Tracy, you threw the first punch when you automatically assumed that just because I was supporting Oakland, that I was automatically a bad guy...and you treated me like it. Sticking that camera in my face when I didn't even know you...treating me like I was scum without taking the time to even get to know me. You had a dirty look on your face the first day I met you.

Look Mike, you started all of this not me. Sending negative letters to the area neighborhood boards about my drifting events. You were even an invited guest but still you had to try and kill something that wasn't yours.

I NEVER sent in any letters against your drifting events. In fact both Chris and I were planning to attend your first meeting with the stadium. I wasn't able to make it, and Chris went in my place. He gave good comments to the media in support of your events. Second, I was not an invited guest...beyond the fact that Steve-O got me signed in under Les so I could talk to the drivers in the pit. I don't remember ever receiving an invitation from anyone, and I paid at the gate to come in.

Don't play the victim. You never sent any letters with your name on it that is but you did. And emails to offices and was part of filing a claim against me with the Better Business. Speaking of which even after you maliciously went out of your way hiding from behind your computer to defame MY character and efforts I still called you to get you involved. And as even you said olive branches were sent by various entities what did you do? NO RESPONSE.

You've got the wrong guy. Dave Shimokawa turned you into the BBB. Dave is the one who also sent the letter that was sent to the Stadium Authority, and I personally don't remember seeing anything negative in that letter either. If you'd be so kind as to reproduce it, then I'll bet you'll find that my name isn't anywhere on it nor is it quite so negative. I still don't understand why you automatically assume it was me that even wrote that shiat.

And that call you made to me...wasn't an olive branch. It was you wanting to get back at Steve-O and the rest of the guys by shutting them out and ruining them by putting on another event with us at the core. You said-so yourself in that phone call to me. We didn't want any part of that...we just wanted to drift...not get revenge, so that's why I turned you down. You have a seriously distorted way of recalling things to suit your own purposes.

:confused: Really? Isn't that what the serpent said in the Garden of Eden. Look Sink, don't call me out and try and paint a rosy pic. Or should I call you 'SAINT' Sink? Cause that you are definitely not. 'Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.' You threw first baby after I tried to work with everybody. But still you and others like you who don't even know me spread all these rumors. Now you want to cry Uncle?

Man, you really creep me out when you start spouting biblical references. Look who's talking...I don't know how many countless times I've seen you act like a snake in the grass, with two faces. One for each backside. First, it was Enomoto, who you at first said he was scum and never would work with, along with the other disparaging remarks. Then after I arranged a meeting between you two, because Enomoto likes to keep his friends close and his enemies closer, you proceeded to suck up to him...claiming "oh...it's such a honor to meet you, I really respect you bla bla bla". Then you take his information that he gave you freely, and then post it everywhere on the web, and use it as a position to attack the P9 project. Then you're back kissing up to him again. Wow.

Then with George Grace...you act all nicey-nicey when you're standing right there in front of him, but behind his back you talk shiat about the very project he's working on. Like he doesn't realize what you're doing...and why you're acting that way.

Then how about your idle threats and your "two shin kicks to the head" mma-wannabe crap that you pulled on me in that meeting. There was a real chance to move forward, but for some reason, you couldn't take it, threw a hissy fit, and then stormed off in a rage without even giving us a chance to reconcile, and talk like men. We seriously could have worked some shiat out, and I was willing. You had tons of opportunity to come together and work things out...with Enomoto during his meetings, with Grace & DHHL, and with a couple of other chance encounters. I practically begged you at that last meeting to work it out...Give me a break, Tracy. Don't take my silence as weakness...just because I'm not saying anything doesn't mean I'm not paying attention to what's going on. And it doesn't mean that I'm just going to let you walk all over me.

I mean, seriously, practically every single time we've seen each other, I've made some attempt to work things out with you in some fashion or another. I guess the two times that didn't happen was at the Sandbox and the other time at the Big Boys Show.

What more do you want from me, man? You know that I've tried...and then you proceed to talk shiat about me on this forum every chance you get? You think that makes things alright? You think it's proper for me to just sit back and take it?

Cause here we tell the truth and respect it. The word 'TRUTH' is something foreign to you and the people you work with.

You are seriously unbelievable. Half the crap you just spewed out was a huge distortion of the truth. And yet you claim I'm a liar?

I have fought against anyone who has tried to stop racing, screw, taint, mess with the community and supported those who wanted to do good in the racing community while those like yourself and other cronies did anything to do an action to the detriment of it, I slammed All of YOU. That was never fair for the people who so desperately just want to go back to racing again to be deceived and led down blind paths.

That's really funny. I know the history of you and Michael Oakland. I know about the boxes of files and crap that you've got piled up, just itching to try and take him out every chance you got. It's almost scary even. You did everything you could to kill a chance to create a new motorsports facility. Even if it didn't have a chance in hell of happening, you still threw your weight against it, and made it's chances WORSE of happening. How is that protecting the people that just wanted to get back to racing?

These people out there don't give a damn who runs or controls racing here. They just want to race. So who the hell are you to decide for them who's right and who's wrong? You didn't even give P9 a chance. And yet you expected me to do the same for you? How is that fair?

Look Sink, you did it to yourself. But still you keep posting lies on other sites. Don't come here trying to pretend you are some kind of victim and you have been the poster choir boi. Cause you are not. Go spew forth your vial misinformation to others that you can at least deceive. Cause here we at least have a few brain cells to know when we are being told "LIES" and can identify the people who spread them. Which is 'YOU'.

I came here for a specific purpose. Not to plead for mercy, or to beg for forgiveness. Just to tell you to knock this shiat off. It's up to you where it goes from here. I've offered my hand one more time...no more bickering, no more BS. We might not be friends, but we certainly don't have to act like this. It's just a complete waste of time, and I want no part of it.

[AAX]

Mike, all I gotta say is, if you knew that there was tension between the SORT members, be it about the lease, money, whatever, you should have never got in the middle of it. Thats like if you (example) broke up with your girlfriend, and somebody thought they could solve the problem steps in, and winds up dating her, how would you feel? And now, she's going around telling everybody how bad you used to treat her, etc.. and you know for a fact that it wasn't true, what do you do? Do you sit back and let it ruin you, or do you try to set the record straight? The problem here is that you got into something that is waaaay over your head. And on top of that, you constantly mislead people about a subject (racing) that alot of people take seriously enough to believe YOU. I for one, know bs when I hear it. And I'm saying, if you thought that you weren't going to get flack over this, you mind must really be out there! Oh, and by the way, it did get too far. I think you need to gather yourself and just stick to putting on car shows. I dont see any problem in doing that.

Leo, I set out to help in any way possible to build a racetrack. From what I have seen, both Michael Oakland and George Grace Jr. have done more towards putting the efforts down to building a racetrack than anyone else on this island. I've seen the efforts they've put forth...I've been in closed door meetings where they've laid their ground work, and I've seen the money they've put towards making these things happen.

I'm not out here just following whoever doing whatever. I didn't spend all that time writing proposals, running support events, building websites, and working my azz off just for nothing.

As far as me getting in the middle of the SORT fiasco, I was never even close to it. I made a promise to Micah Kane, Russ Saito, & DHHL that I would help Jr. make this happen. Notice, that I said Jr. Jr was the one running that meeting. Jr. said he would make it happen. So I volunteered my time and my energy to him...and I said it right there. Ask Les, Ask Tracy...they were there. They know.

When they exploded I told the Souzas and Graces to work it out and come back to me when the smoke has cleared. When it did, George Grace Jr. was there holding his hand out saying let's do this. So I carried on with the promise I made. You weren't there, so how could you even understand that?

Who else on this island has made as much progress as Jr. has? You don't see the barricades? You don't see the track trucks acquired? The oodles of track equipment purchased...the loaders, the timing systems, lights...bla bla bla. We are not just doing this for the hell of it. There is a very real goal here, and we are working towards it as fast as we can with the resources at our disposal.

You got a problem with that...I just can't say anything more than that's too bad. Because I'm not changing course...I'm not misleading anyone. And I'm not holding a gun to anyone's head telling them to follow me.

[AAX]

I'm sure you've heard the proverb -

"the road to hell is paved with good intentions"

But let's forget the P9/HRP sale for a minute and focus on Parcel 24. What has Parcel 24 accomplished for the racers? The bills we got introduced to save HRP at the State were killed because of Parcel 24. HB567 was also killed because of Parcel 24. SCCA had hired a professional lobbyist who reworded HB567 from a cost study, to requiring the State to set aside a parcel of land suitable for racing. That bill made it all the way through conference, and could have saved the feedlot for a raceway. It was killed because of Parcel 24.

And what do we really have with Parcel 24? That site is covered with archaeological sites, concrete bunkers, and even has other tenants on it. You can't fit a drag strip, or a road course there. You can't even fit a dirt track without going onto the other tenants' land. The dirt track at HRP had twice the land area you have at Parcel 24. Now you go around showing everyone a track layout with all these venues included to get the racers' support, when you knew those venues wouldn't fit on the property. Don't you think that's the slight bit dishonest? You want to say that was your "dream", did you tell all the racers you asked for support that it was just a dream?

By gathering up support for Parcel 24, you are killing any chance for State/County help on the racetrack issue. And a racetrack on Oahu is too big a project for any private effort. What private operation on Oahu has their business sitting on 100 acres of commercial land?

The State/County are probably very happy with you. That's because they don't really want to do anything to help the racers. Parcel 24 gets DHHL off the hook for P9, and the City Council off the hook for condemnation of HRP. And let's not forget the sale of Pueo Trucking. What the stupid racers end up with is a worthless piece of property they can't do anything with.
KEEP THOSE SUPPORT LETTERS COMING!

And one other thing Mike. If you're going to go blaming someone else for hamstringing your efforts, please state their names publicly and exactly what they're doing to attack your project. Better yet, get it published in a newspaper so everyone can know what's going on. Otherwise it's just bullshit.

I have no personal grudges against anyone.

Ya know, I'd name the anonymous complainers if they would have the balls to leave a freakin' name when they complain. Sending in letters of complaints against P24 for what...illegal dumping, running a junkyard, hosting chicken fights, damage to archaelogical sites, bla bla bla. Which is utter BS. If I had a name, I'd be calling them up personally. But they're too chicken shiat, and instead spend their time hunkering down in the bushes playing ISpy with a camera taking proposed "evidence" and sending it into DHHL.

Who's They? Well, hell, man...who would YOU say it is? And the Hawaii Free Press is not even close to being a newspaper. More like a biased slag rag...like any credible paper would collect information from a discussion forum as fact. Kinda funny all this stuff gets so popular when election time comes out, doesn't it?

As far as the professional lobbyist, hello....I'm one of the people that said it would be a good idea. What? You don't think I was in on that loop? I attend SCCA meetings just as much as you. They're a member of OMAC! Ed Holloman conferred with me when he and Ed Kemper got the idea for it. I agreed and said go for it. Hell, I donated money towards it! Just because you took it under your wing and ran with it doesn't mean that I opposed it. And we know the real reason why it died...it was politics as usual. The very notion that DLNR would have given us the feedlot for use as a raceway facility with the way the economy was heading as well as the lack of industrial space is absurd. We had direct memos that were accidentally sent to us in a very f'ed up goof, that stated that "in no way, shape, or form would that land ever be given away as a racetrack". I mean, these are in-house emails that were for private eyes only. I've got copies of them somewhere.

As far as P24...we made the designs with at the time, what DHHL said was available to us. It wasn't until DHHL came under fire by our "anonymous complainers" as well as the KHCC (who the Souzas were straight up telling what they wanted to hear), that those plans ended up having to change. We were fully aware of the sensitive cultural areas there that were identified, and the design was created to wrap around these areas, erecting a 25-meter fencing to protect them, as well as cutting off access to the sensitive areas to un-authorized personnel. It sure would be a helluva lot better than how they're currently sitting...which is open to everyone. Plenty of opportunity for someone to go in and screw something up. How is that protecting these sensitive culutral sites?

We had direct meetings with KHCC, and told them we'd work hand-in-hand, and wouldn't do anything to disrupt any of their indicated sites. That we'd work around it. But someone had to go and spit poison in their ears...and then we had our backs against the wall again.

We have tried non-stop to get this thing going...we're still trying. We have proper designs that make full use of the available area that include a 1.2 mile road course similar in concept to the short course that was available at HRP. None of these are pipe dreams...they're real concepts, and they will work if given the chance.

This thing is real...you can walk on it, see it, touch it. When SORT was all together, it was very real and doable for both you, Les, and you, Tracy. Now, simply because of what happened...now it's NOT viable? I find that hard to stomach.

This is my last post on this forum regardless of what follows. You have your opinions and I respect that. But what I do not respect is the name-calling and snotty comments. Sinki Boi. BOY. Do you see me doing this to you? No. So I'd appreciate it if you just laid off a little bit. I'm not asking you to change your opinion or what you believe...I'm just asking you to lay off the childish remarks and the personal attacks.

Have a good one.

[udrivecrap]

wheewwwwww....... hey Mikey :D :D :D LOL...

maybe we can all vote for the same people? or will we cancel each other out on that too? :confused:

[punishum]

What, are you feeling the heat? :rolleyes:

Quite your whining. You know what you did. You got more excuses that anyone I have ever seen.

Like all con-men, you got a lone for every millie mouse dirty deed. So sorry your vision of the way things should've played out just isn't going your way. This ain't a burger joint.

Grow up and take your medicine like a man for once in your life.

[Dirt Devil]

Hooo, this AAX, you and punishum should go beef aready. I like see bra.

[dirt racer]

Ya know, I'd name the anonymous complainers if they would have the balls to leave a freakin' name when they complain. Sending in letters of complaints against P24 for what...illegal dumping, running a junkyard, hosting chicken fights, damage to archaelogical sites, bla bla bla. Which is utter BS. If I had a name, I'd be calling them up personally. But they're too chicken shiat, and instead spend their time hunkering down in the bushes playing ISpy with a camera taking proposed "evidence" and sending it into DHHL.


Then post the complaint letters. And explain exactly how those complaint letters (being bogus and all) had the effect of delaying your project.


Who's They? Well, hell, man...who would YOU say it is? And the Hawaii Free Press is not even close to being a newspaper. More like a biased slag rag...like any credible paper would collect information from a discussion forum as fact. Kinda funny all this stuff gets so popular when election time comes out, doesn't it?


If the Hawaii Free Press article was false, then someone should sue for a retraction. Let us all know when that retraction comes out.


The very notion that DLNR would have given us the feedlot for use as a raceway facility with the way the economy was heading as well as the lack of industrial space is absurd. We had direct memos that were accidentally sent to us in a very f'ed up goof, that stated that "in no way, shape, or form would that land ever be given away as a racetrack". I mean, these are in-house emails that were for private eyes only. I've got copies of them somewhere.


Those emails probably had something to do with the accusation that Gov Waihee condemned the property for a racetrack as a personal favor to Tom Enomoto. Recall that the State argued in the meat company hearings that the condemnation was for landbanking The fact is, if HB567 would have passed, it would have required the State to provide a suitable property for a racetrack. P24 is NOT a suitable property for a racetrack. The "lack of industrial space" idea is someone's fantasy. It would have taken Irongate 50 years to sell all the lots planned for HRP. A large amount of industrial property on Oahu is going, or has already gone into foreclosure.




As far as P24...we made the designs with at the time, what DHHL said was available to us. It wasn't until DHHL came under fire by our "anonymous complainers" as well as the KHCC (who the Souzas were straight up telling what they wanted to hear), that those plans ended up having to change. We were fully aware of the sensitive cultural areas there that were identified, and the design was created to wrap around these areas, erecting a 25-meter fencing to protect them, as well as cutting off access to the sensitive areas to un-authorized personnel. It sure would be a helluva lot better than how they're currently sitting...which is open to everyone. Plenty of opportunity for someone to go in and screw something up. How is that protecting these sensitive culutral sites?

We had direct meetings with KHCC, and told them we'd work hand-in-hand, and wouldn't do anything to disrupt any of their indicated sites. That we'd work around it. But someone had to go and spit poison in their ears...and then we had our backs against the wall again.


Some members of the KHCC were against having any racing anywhere on that parcel. I heard from them in person. There is no way that their opinion was affected by the Souzas or anyone else. If you have hard evidence to the contrary, then post it. SORT was told from the get go to do an archaeological survey.


We have tried non-stop to get this thing going...we're still trying. We have proper designs that make full use of the available area that include a 1.2 mile road course similar in concept to the short course that was available at HRP. None of these are pipe dreams...they're real concepts, and they will work if given the chance.


You have got to be kidding! HRP was 110 acres with the clear zone and it was never more than 1.5 miles. The truth is, even your current design of a .4 mile go-kart track and 1/4 mile dirt oval are bogus. Because there would be concrete bunkers right in the middle of the tracks! How about updating your design to include the concrete bunkers which can't be removed? And the last time we checked with Grace-Pacific, the cost was $1 million/mile for paving. And since you say you have seen the money, post a copy of a bank statement with $1.2 million dollars in it.


This thing is real...you can walk on it, see it, touch it. When SORT was all together, it was very real and doable for both you, Les, and you, Tracy. Now, simply because of what happened...now it's NOT viable? I find that hard to stomach.


I supported the idea of a quick and dirty temp track in 2007, in order to try and keep racers from quiting and selling their cars. This was originally supposed to be 49 acres on DHHL land that supposedly didn't require permits. In 2008, after 2 years had passed since the track closing, a lot of racers had already quit. Add to that we found out the property was covered with archaeological sites, the legal permit requirements, and the illegal dumping fiasco, it didn't look so good. My advice to the Souzas was to let Grace have it for himself, because you couldn't do any racing with that property anyway. IIRC, YOU were originally against it. And now you're for it because Grace wants you to run the events?

I originally supported the P9 proposal as well, until I found out firsthand that the landowner had no intention of giving up that parcel. DHHL had also notified the HMC partners that they didn't want the land swap in question in early 2005. 1 year before the track was closed.

[punishum]

SO where's the TRACK :rolleyes:

[punishum]

You know what Sink Boi, you are running right out of the Saul Alinsky playbook. "Accuse your opposition of what you are doing."

You and both groups you represented LIED about in both cases the LACK off ANY progress and slammed those who unveiled what you were saying are lies with DOCUMENTED truth.

You slammed me from anonymous names, you defamed the character of the Souza's and Les and I and brought the Souza's care of foster kids with TOTAL defamation by saying they were using money gotten by the foster care system was being used by them for other uses other than caring for their foster children. Of all people Mike, you ought to know with a child of your own that you are blessed with that a few hundred dollars a month is not enough to take care of your little one. I can't believe you stooped to that lowly level instead of sticking to the facts which you have 'ALWAYs' had and continue to have a problem with. Because lies has no TRUTH to them.
The truth to you is so foreign, you will go to your last breath believing your own concocted BS.

Because admitting you were W-R-O-N-G is something you will NEVER do.

Sink BOI, you need to see a shrink and be on medication because the Bizarro world you live in is not even in this galaxy.

You even tried with you and your army of degenerates had a smear campaign to get Evelyn kicked off of the HCDA board. You got others kicked off of other forums if they questioned you. And every time we say something contrary to the vile lies you spew which 'WE' back up with hard FACTS and evidence, you heap another lie on top of that other lie we uncovered. "I will have word for the racers in one week." says you, and 3 years later, what? Nada, nothing, Zippo, zilch. And still you keep saying you and what ever regime you are puppet by, are working on it. Over 6 years with 2 broken factions.

You had said so many bad, negative, spiteful and blatantly lied about everybody else who questions anything you say and will go after their character, family, upbringing, anything without facts or merit. So many things that you have said out of pure evil, you Sink Boi will never have any place to sit at anybody's table when the smoke clears. So much so there will never be a way to fix the bed you made, so this bed of nails is all your own doing, no one else, ALL you baby. So quit your whining and take your soon bitter medicine like a man for once.

That Zippy's meeting you mentioned? You Sink BOI popped up as I was lied to that it was supposed to be a meeting between the Grace's and I. As you and I stood there in front of the Dining-In entrance of the Waiau Zippys, you greeted me there. As I recall, I asked you if you would like to settle this and as I walked towards you, you kept stepping back and I said," That is the smartest thing you have ever done in your life." Remember? Yeah, I think not.

You are following in your mentor Jokelands footsteps aren't you. I heard at your GREAT 4th of July event someone threatened you with bodily injury as this person or persons were sick of your lies. Is this true? If so you truly are your mentors disciple. That is why he just sits at home drinking cheap beer out of fear to go in public as he has also been asked to leave establishments with hostile intentions 'OR' crashing his car :eek: . Maybe you should think of the same retirement plan as well.

So as always keep on lying, as your days of doing so are over as many have wised up and are onto your game as you have NO Game and are full of Bull.

[zerozero]

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Thanks Freddie Boi, watch out for them trees. Thanks for the free advertising. I always expect the best from you, then again you are a following putz anyway. Bird of a feather, right. All under the same slimy rock. Have a good one and best wishes to you to.

[zerozero]

Thanks Freddie Boi, watch out for them trees. Thanks for the free advertising. I always expect the best from you, then again you are a following putz anyway. Bird of a feather, right. All under the same slimy rock. Have a good one and best wishes to you to.

you 2 man - take care.

I saw that on another forum and had to save it.

Glad to see you haven't changed. Same old - same old

I hear you are working with Ed Case for his election - good job. (never thought I would say that to you)

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P.S. I bought a chainsaw for those trees that got in the way.

[udrivecrap]

lol @ Fred getting his password :D

ok so its settled then... WE should ALL vote for ED CASE. spread the word, send emails, you know the routine. if you have to, put a disclaimer that it has nothing to do with party affiliation or how you think a track should be ran or who should run it.. its for motorsports. sound good, guys? :confused: i mean, b*tches? homeys? :D

who else should WE ALL vote for? f*ck Mufi, right? :confused:

[punishum]

ok so its settled then... WE should ALL vote for ED CASE.

I would hope so as the other 2 candidates have done nothing but SCREW our racing community.

who else should WE ALL vote for? f*ck Mufi, right? :confused:

Hey, at this point 'ABM', and BM? Bowel Movement, why beat around the bush is what I say. Why be nice and all rosy to someone you know no matter what will SCREW you anyway, right? Look at his record, especially on our racing community.

[udrivecrap]

LOL... i talk to one of his cousins all the time. Mufi turned me off when he sent back an email (when the track closed) which basically said "i feel the want but not the need" crap.

likewise with your rail, buddy...

ok, what about individual districts? candidates? :D

[punishum]

LOL... i talk to one of his cousins all the time. Mufi turned me off when he sent back an email (when the track closed) which basically said "i feel the want but not the need" crap.

likewise with your rail, buddy...

Ahahaha, turnaround is fair play. My buddy who has a screen printing biz has come up w/ a new t-shirt design. Haven't seen it yet but he described it to me as a caricature of a elevated train going into a tunnel and the tunnel looks likes a butt. The caption will read," Bend over so I can rail YOU." to funny.

ok, what about individual districts? candidates? :D

As you know we will be launching the 'Race the Vote' campaign shortly. The politicians we do know who has supported us the list is very short.

One such supporter for our cause suggested making a questionnaire like what groups like the Sierra Club etc., does. Narrow the field down to who you will support and the top candidates say in the important races like Governor, Mayor etc., we form a committee and invite those candidates down for an interview. And just like the Advertiser does just before the election compile a list of who our racing community supports like any union does as well, and send it out to an email list or make a half hour TV show. Maybe even hold a press conference to announce who we support, something like that.

Just ideas that has already been done and works. Any suggestions let me know. The main goal for now is to get the vast majority of our community registered to vote. I am going to go back and take the class to be a certified voter registrar. It takes about 30 minutes. The last time Les and Mike Wilcox also went down and we all got certified together. It would be good if we can get a larger group together this time and go at it and get racers registered to vote and educate them why it is so important to vote. Let me know Davy or anyone else if they would like to participate in attending this FREE class.

That is the first step before we as a whole endorse candidates before the primary in September.

[dirt racer]

LOL... i talk to one of his cousins all the time. Mufi turned me off when he sent back an email (when the track closed) which basically said "i feel the want but not the need" crap.

likewise with your rail, buddy...

ok, what about individual districts? candidates? :D

I got this from mayoral candidate Panos Prevedouros, who used to race at HRP with the SCCA.
He's definately got the rail issue figured out:


Question 1: Name the city that in the last 10 years passed a referendum for light rail, built it, and got these results:

-- Despite population growth of 10% and gas price increase of 45% bus ridership fell 24%.

-- Bus fare increased 50%, 225 fewer buses were operated and on time performance dropped by 29%.

-- Before light rail the transit authority had a $125 million surplus, and now has a $165 million deficit.

-- Light rail cost increased from $1.2 billion to over $3 billion.
Results: No change in congestion, far worse transit for the poor, huge rail costs, huge transit deficits, fewer permanent jobs.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/outlook/6922730.html

Mayor Bob Lanier of Houston who opposed light rail said this:

First the rail's supporters say "It's cheaper"
When you show it costs more, they say "It's faster"
When you show it's slower, they say "It serves more riders"
When you show there are fewer riders, they say "It brings economic development"
When you show little economic development, they say "It helps the image"
When you say you don't want to spend that much money on image, they say "It will solve the pollution problem"
When you show it won't help pollution, they say, finally, "It will take time for rail to do some good"


Sound familiar??? :rolleyes:

[udrivecrap]

ummm... yeah :D.. but i don't know where from. lol..

actually he still is in SCCA, usually he runs while i work the course. nice guy, i'm against the rail so i would support him. he makes too much sense about it.

thanks Tracey, got me to thinking... i'll have to take a look see what this "certified" stuff is. the last certification i got was for being an idiot, i could use this on my resume.. lol.

[punishum]

A pretty neat analogy yesterday by Glenn Beck what he refers to as the 10/80/10 rule.

10% of the people Do the WRONG things, like yelling FIRE in a building during a CRISIS when there was no Fire.

80% the majority of people are sheep, they wait for someone else to take charge. As evident time and time again.

10% the true leaders that know what needs to be done, they take charge and do something about it.

"Out of every one hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back." - Heraclitus

Sink BOI, if you are a GOD fearing person then again you bash me when I mention any biblical quote so don't know if you're conflicted or ignorant. Anyway, as I hope you know LIES is a SIN and lead to NO GOOD. But still you spread them. You cannot stop or help yourself. It is in your DNA. Sad, very Sad. And I know from what group in that 10/80/10 equation you occupy
and it ain't the LEADER category.

Watching Gladiator today one of my favorite quotes,"What we do in LIFE echoes in ETERNITY."

What will your echo be? Or will you just be a Fart in the wind? Hmmmmm?

[punishum]

"A VOTER Driven Republic CANNOT survive if LIES supersede the TRUTH." Bill O Reily

Think about that one.