City Council Moves To Acquire HRP

[dirt racer]

http://starbulletin.com/2007/05/11/news/story05.html

The site of the former Hawaii Raceway Park would be condemned by the city and turned back into a racetrack under measures introduced this week at the City Council.

Councilman Todd Apo, who introduced Resolutions 07-162 and 07-163, said the time is right to discuss reopening the racetrack on a 65.8-acre parcel just outside Campbell Industrial Park that was closed last year.

"Beyond the recreation, I think there's a significant public safety issue that's worth us keeping it alive and having a discussion to see what kind of solutions we can provide," Apo said, referring to increasing concerns over street racing.


After the track was closed, Los Angeles-based developer Irongate bought the parcel from the then-landowner, the Estate of James Campbell, for a reported $13.2 million.

Irongate, which is also developing Trump International Hotel and Tower Waikiki Beach Walk, plans to redevelop the former raceway site into an industrial park with 90 lots for sale and is applying to the city for a change in the current agricultural zoning to accommodate future industrial and business uses.

Apo said he has been in discussions with the new owner for about a year.

"They're open to being part of the solution if we can find a solution that's acceptable," Apo said.

An attempt to reach a representative of the developer was unsuccessful.

"It probably wouldn't be a straight cash buyout type of condemnation," said Apo, who represents the region. "It's probably more finding replacement property. They're interested in providing an industrial park -- which we need that kind of space on this island -- and so it's probably going to be a situation where we try to find them some replacement lands where we can provide that kind of space while preserving the raceway park."

Apo said there are several areas in West Oahu that could accommodate such a land swap.

"Perhaps there are lands within Kalaeloa where it makes sense to put some type of industrial or business park. And the city is supposed to get some of the land within Kalaeloa. So that may be a location," he said. "There may be some possibilities within the existing Campbell Industrial Park area."

Apo introduced a similar measure last year that died in committee, but he and others believe the circumstances have changed since then.

"I think it's wonderful," said Evelyn Souza, spokeswoman for Save Oahu's Race Track. "This is something that we've wanted from day one."

Souza said that while her organization is working with the state Department of Hawaiian Home Lands to set up a temporary racetrack site and has worked with other groups to organize events at the Aloha Stadium parking lot to keep racers off streets, the best solution is using the old raceway site because the infrastructure is already in place.

Souza said what is different this time is that there is $1 million of state funding available for acquisition, and the players are different. A land swap "is not so far-fetched," she said. "In fact, it's an excellent idea -- that way, everyone goes away from the table not spending a whole bunch of money, and they leave happy with the trade."

[straightliner]

Good to see there's still a chance for HRP. A 1/4 mile is what I would rather run on.


To help everyone can the owner of this forum put up a hot link to the resolutions. As letters are written in support (and against) of the new resolutions we the public can see for ourselves who is for and against it.

An example would be; I might not choose to do business with say... a machine shop or a tranmission shop or whoever, who's owner might not support the resolutions.

I don't feel they need to be supported if they aren't going to support the racing community. :mad: :mad: :D

[punishum]

I don't feel they need to be supported if they aren't going to support the racing community. :mad: :mad: :D

Amen to that one. WE should also start to do the same for the politicians as well. Like support the ones who help set aside money like Hanabusa last year and others. BUT we should also reprimand those who killed it in Committee. WE need to get these guys out of office.

They could not fund a study or set aside say $30 million when they had a $700 million surplus this session. But they bought Kukui Gurdens for $50 million and had the developer agree to keep rent affordable for the next 18 years. Because of the pleading of 700 families who reside at the complex. A rep said it would cost $350 million to build today. How many racing families were just displaced by the closure of HRP? And the racers CAN pay back the debt load from a bond. We are not looking for a handout but a hand UP ! !

Well our track went from an assessed value of $6.57 mill. last year to now it is nearly $14 million and will probably double if rezoned by next year.

This mentality of "If it ain't stick and ball we don't respect it." Golf, softball, soccer, beach parks, etc., etc, etc. are all subsidized by the taxpayers.

I want to do a study of the racing community + the numbers of people we represent and the median incomes combined. How much taxes we contribute to the state and how much support we have received from our elected officials in return. As of yet. Nada, zilch. But we pay the lions share of taxes I bet you.

Racers have an expensive hobby. WE pay to participate as well as spectate. NO other game can say that.

Ernest Hemmingway said that "Auto Racing and Bull Fighting" are the only true sports. Everything else is just a game.

Mark Foo said, "In order to experience the ultimate thrill, you have to be willing to pay the ultimate price."

And we as the racing community literally pay not only with blood but with our wallets and we always get "NO R-E-S-P-E-C-T". It is time for that to change too.

[dirt racer]

"Amen to that one. WE should also start to do the same for the politicians as well."


Some heads are gonna roll...:rolleyes:


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[dirt racer]

I'm all for land swaps to build a racetrack. Has SORT been able to redesign the layout to run more than 1 venue on pavement yet?

SORT's new track at Kalaeloa will certainly allow for different clubs to run, from whatever events are running at HRP at any given point in time.

Sanctioning bodies, and motorsports insurers frown on having different clubs running simultaneously at the same facility BTW. Regardless of how it's laid out. It's good to check into these things before embarking on any hair brained scheme. Sort of like checking with the airport director to see if the area allows outdoor lighting at night, etc.

[punishum]

Ahahahahahahahahahahahah :D :D :D

The truth is funnier than any BS and "Smoke & Mirrors" ! ! !

[punishum]

From Chad on FH:

I'll take that as a "no". So you're telling me that LMVS never runs more than one race at a time? Bullshit. You may need multiple safety and medical crews on hand to deal with multiple emergencies, but that's not hard to do. Maybe you should post up letters from these insurance companies and sanctioning bodies since you seem to know so much about it. Otherwise, it's good to know what you're talking about before posting up dumb statements. And you're supposed to be designing the new track?

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As a matter of fact that is correct. Even LVMS does NOT have major events at the same time. A local drag race while a World of Outlaw race but not the BIG boys. Why? Because of what Dirt said & The Dirt that will blow back onto the drag strip when the fuel cars are running. And that's a fact Chad.

That is why YES, they have multiple events at the LVMS on the same weekend. Just "NOT" running at the same time.

Hooo, Chad gets brave and talks tough on the other forum. Shin kicks to da face that's why on RIH. Say Hi the next time you see me because I have no idea who you are. Only that you guys get brave on the Forums only.

[botogee]

we need a track

[dirt racer]

we need a track

Absolutely we do. No arguments on that one.

Welcome aboard! :D

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[Chad89GT]

From Chad on FH:

I'll take that as a "no". So you're telling me that LMVS never runs more than one race at a time? Bullshit. You may need multiple safety and medical crews on hand to deal with multiple emergencies, but that's not hard to do. Maybe you should post up letters from these insurance companies and sanctioning bodies since you seem to know so much about it. Otherwise, it's good to know what you're talking about before posting up dumb statements. And you're supposed to be designing the new track?

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As a matter of fact that is correct. Even LVMS does NOT have major events at the same time. A local drag race while a World of Outlaw race but not the BIG boys. Why? Because of what Dirt said & The Dirt that will blow back onto the drag strip when the fuel cars are running. And that's a fact Chad.

That is why YES, they have multiple events at the LVMS on the same weekend. Just "NOT" running at the same time.

Hooo, Chad gets brave and talks tough on the other forum. Shin kicks to da face that's why on RIH. Say Hi the next time you see me because I have no idea who you are. Only that you guys get brave on the Forums only.

Wow, I didn't realize I was so important to constantly cross-quote me from other forums. You guys secretly admire me, admit it, no shame. :p

Now before you go getting all "factual" here, Tracy, maybe you ought to read Mr. Racer's post again. Here it is in case you forgot:

Originally Posted by dirt racer
Sanctioning bodies, and motorsports insurers frown on having different clubs running simultaneously at the same facility BTW. Regardless of how it's laid out. It's good to check into these things before embarking on any hair brained scheme. Sort of like checking with the airport director to see if the area allows outdoor lighting at night, etc.

No where on there did he say "major events". He was talking about CLUB racing... ie SCCA, Pro Gas, SuperLaps, etc. Of course you're not going to run WoO at the same time as NHRA (what promoter in their right mind would want to anyway?) and that's not what is being proposed at P9. The facility IS laid out so CLUBS are able to run the road course at the same time as drags and karts and stock cars... possibly even 2 road races at a time if configured right. This helps free up dates for all the groups that want multiple dates per month.

As for the shin kicks, etc... there you go playing the innocent victim again. Why not quote the post I was replying to and see *WHY* I replied like that. Less is constantly antagonizing and belittling the P9 effort, yet I'm the bad guy when I fire back at him? Get a grip. :rolleyes:

[dirt racer]

"what is being proposed at P9. The facility IS laid out so CLUBS are able to run the road course at the same time as drags and karts and stock cars... possibly even 2 road races at a time if configured right. This helps free up dates for all the groups that want multiple dates per month."


I guess the best thing to do (to find the truth of the matter) would be to obtain official responses from the various agencies involved. Then post the documents so that everyone can read for themselves. I think I'll start with the truth about the sale of HRP. :rolleyes:

[Chad89GT]

I guess the best thing to do (to find the truth of the matter) would be to obtain official responses from the various agencies involved. Then post the documents so that everyone can read for themselves. I think I'll start with the truth about the sale of HRP. :rolleyes:
Yeah, post up the Lokahi documents again... oh wait, Lokahi didn't buy the track, Irongate did. Guess that means people were lining up to buy the place because the estate was liquidating. Oh, and post that article where CE sidesteps the issue by sayng they "have been" (past tense) extending the lease. Now go find a document that says they WOULD HAVE extended the lease past 2006... good luck because it doesn't exist.

CE wanted the land sold and had buyers lined up. If HMC didn't sell it CE would have. Now before you go spouting ignorance about how HMC should have bought it, go run some numbers and tell us how much revenue the track would have had to generate to pay the debt service on $10-13M plus the infastructure upgrades. No way could that track support that.

Closing the track in favor of a larger, more economically diverse facility was the only feasible option. Incorporating industrial race-related space into the design for alternate forms of income ensures the overhead gets paid and the industry continues to grow.

One thing I was currious about though... SORT's presentation says that HRP is the quickest way to get Oahu racing again because the infastructure is already there. What infastructure? There's no sewer, minimal water and no buildings. Irongate busted up all the track surfaces (so I heard) and you said you were going to redesign the place anyway. There are no bleachers, no barriers, no guardrails, no nothing. So what's the big deal about that site? If you say "nostalgia" I'm going to laugh at you. If you really wanted nostalgia you'd try to get Kahuku and Honolulu Stadium opened up again. Those places were closed for a reason... to bring the venues into a more modern and safe facility. Same thing with HRP vs P9... IDENTICAL situations.

[dirt racer]

One thing I was currious about though... SORT's presentation says that HRP is the quickest way to get Oahu racing again because the infastructure is already there. What infastructure? There's no sewer, minimal water and no buildings. Irongate busted up all the track surfaces (so I heard) and you said you were going to redesign the place anyway. There are no bleachers, no barriers, no guardrails, no nothing. So what's the big deal about that site? and safe facility. Same thing with HRP vs P9... IDENTICAL situations.

Did Irongate set the tower on fire too? Funny that looks like Paul there with the firemen. And who sold all the fixtures that were torn out? Irongate? Or MO? Is that why your friends tore the place apart? To make that retarded argument? Sorry, it doesn't work on us.

BTW, P9 has a tenant already. You can't have that site. Sorry...:(

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[Paradise Racer]

One thing I was currious about though... SORT's presentation says that HRP is the quickest way to get Oahu racing again because the infastructure is already there. What infastructure? There's no sewer, minimal water and no buildings. Irongate busted up all the track surfaces (so I heard) and you said you were going to redesign the place anyway. There are no bleachers, no barriers, no guardrails, no nothing. So what's the big deal about that site? If you say "nostalgia" I'm going to laugh at you. If you really wanted nostalgia you'd try to get Kahuku and Honolulu Stadium opened up again. Those places were closed for a reason... to bring the venues into a more modern and safe facility. Same thing with HRP vs P9... IDENTICAL situations.

Hey Chad....Although the track is closed, some (not all) of the bleachers are gone, busted up track surfaces, no sewer, minimal water and no building? HRP would be the quickest place to get racing up again....

Let me elaborate....
1 - Bleachers can be repaired or built or even rented. We (myself) has bleachers of our own that would be used.
2 - Track surfaces can be repaired and or replaced. For the dragstrip side...if whatever is still there usable, we can work with that. If not, what's wrong with a new track surface? And the oval track was going to be reconfigured anyway along with a new motorcross track.
3 - Sewer??? What do you think the racers and spectators was using when the old restrooms were closed down? PORTABLE TOILETS that were DONATED to the race track.
4 - Water??? Water trucks using the water that has been pumped from the well on-site. Potable water??? There are many water companies we can buy water from or possibly get sponsorship.
5 - Buildings??? There is nothing that was torn down that wasn't already in great need of a facelift anyway.

These things are so manini....What you need to realize is that sometimes it takes "grassroots" to get it up and running again. Poor maintanance allowed the track to deteriorate and like I said, there is nothing gone from the track that can't be fixed or replaced.

I myself and my friends and family would be out there in a minute if the track was to open again..... You call it sweat-equity, donated time and efforts, whatever.... You can better believe it that there are people/racers out there that have trade experience that would love to come and help put a track together.

And as for HRP and P9 being identical??? I DON'T THINK SOOOOOO......But lets just wait and see. Last year's resos didn't make it, but this year will be different. We didn't do all that lobbying for nothing....;)

As a community of racers....we all should be on the same page. Not fighting about P9. If it comes, it comes.... If it doesn't, then at least we will still have a race facility to race on....

[all4dirt]

Did Irongate set the tower on fire too? Funny that looks like Paul there with the firemen. And who sold all the fixtures that were torn out? Irongate? Or MO? Is that why your friends tore the place apart? To make that retarded argument? Sorry, it doesn't work on us.

BTW, P9 has a tenant already. You can't have that site. Sorry...:(

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You forgot to get a closeup of the gas can on the ground. Ooops, was I not supposed to say that??:cool:

[Chad89GT]

Hey Chad....Although the track is closed, some (not all) of the bleachers are gone, busted up track surfaces, no sewer, minimal water and no building? HRP would be the quickest place to get racing up again....

Let me elaborate....
1 - Bleachers can be repaired or built or even rented. We (myself) has bleachers of our own that would be used.
2 - Track surfaces can be repaired and or replaced. For the dragstrip side...if whatever is still there usable, we can work with that. If not, what's wrong with a new track surface? And the oval track was going to be reconfigured anyway along with a new motorcross track.
3 - Sewer??? What do you think the racers and spectators was using when the old restrooms were closed down? PORTABLE TOILETS that were DONATED to the race track.
4 - Water??? Water trucks using the water that has been pumped from the well on-site. Potable water??? There are many water companies we can buy water from or possibly get sponsorship.
5 - Buildings??? There is nothing that was torn down that wasn't already in great need of a facelift anyway.

These things are so manini....What you need to realize is that sometimes it takes "grassroots" to get it up and running again. Poor maintanance allowed the track to deteriorate and like I said, there is nothing gone from the track that can't be fixed or replaced.

I myself and my friends and family would be out there in a minute if the track was to open again..... You call it sweat-equity, donated time and efforts, whatever.... You can better believe it that there are people/racers out there that have trade experience that would love to come and help put a track together.

And as for HRP and P9 being identical??? I DON'T THINK SOOOOOO......But lets just wait and see. Last year's resos didn't make it, but this year will be different. We didn't do all that lobbying for nothing....;)

As a community of racers....we all should be on the same page. Not fighting about P9. If it comes, it comes.... If it doesn't, then at least we will still have a race facility to race on....

Hi Jeanette,

I guess my point was HRP needs all of those things done so where is the "existing" infastructure ? Like you said, almost all of it needs to be replaced... so it's not "existing". It'd be the same amount of "sweat equity" to go out and build a new place on a bigger piece of land that can accomodate more venues at a time. There is a lot of pavement (infastructure?) at P9 as well. Once the land swap goes through (remember to quote that part too, Les), P9 could be a functioning "temporary" track in a matter of weeks while the permanent surfaces are laid out and finalized.

Sorry I wasn't more clear on the HRP and P9 statement... I meant to say that my opinions is that P9 is the modern evolution of HRP... just like Aloha Stadium was the evolution of Honolulu Stadium. P9 is the new facility needed to keep motorsports up-to-date with current safety guidelines. HRP would be nice to get things up and running again, but not long-term. I really don't think it can keep up with how motorsports is growing on this island. Don't get me wrong, I miss the place dearly but I also know that it was bursting at the seams with different venues struggling for track time.

I agree whole-heartedly that all this bickering is useless and we should not be attacking each other's positions. Some racing is better than none. You'll not find me sending in any opposition to the condemnation reso although I think effort could be better placed. Good luck with your lobying and hopefully we'll see each other at the track!




Did Irongate set the tower on fire too? Funny that looks like Paul there with the firemen. And who sold all the fixtures that were torn out? Irongate? Or MO? Is that why your friends tore the place apart? To make that retarded argument? Sorry, it doesn't work on us.

BTW, P9 has a tenant already. You can't have that site. Sorry...

No matter what anyone says about the tower and it's termite-eaten legs you won't believe it so why bother. As for the other fixtures... they belong to the operators and have been put in storage for use at P9. If you lost the lease to your shop would you leave all the equipment there for the next tenant to take over for free? Want to talk about retards, check out the closest mirror! :D

[hileadfoot]

Yeah, post up the Lokahi documents again... oh wait, Lokahi didn't buy the track, Irongate did. Guess that means people were lining up to buy the place because the estate was liquidating. Oh, and post that article where CE sidesteps the issue by sayng they "have been" (past tense) extending the lease. Now go find a document that says they WOULD HAVE extended the lease past 2006... good luck because it doesn't exist.

CE wanted the land sold and had buyers lined up. If HMC didn't sell it CE would have. Now before you go spouting ignorance about how HMC should have bought it, go run some numbers and tell us how much revenue the track would have had to generate to pay the debt service on $10-13M plus the infastructure upgrades. No way could that track support that.

Closing the track in favor of a larger, more economically diverse facility was the only feasible option. Incorporating industrial race-related space into the design for alternate forms of income ensures the overhead gets paid and the industry continues to grow.

One thing I was currious about though... SORT's presentation says that HRP is the quickest way to get Oahu racing again because the infastructure is already there. What infastructure? There's no sewer, minimal water and no buildings. Irongate busted up all the track surfaces (so I heard) and you said you were going to redesign the place anyway. There are no bleachers, no barriers, no guardrails, no nothing. So what's the big deal about that site? If you say "nostalgia" I'm going to laugh at you. If you really wanted nostalgia you'd try to get Kahuku and Honolulu Stadium opened up again. Those places were closed for a reason... to bring the venues into a more modern and safe facility. Same thing with HRP vs P9... IDENTICAL situations.


Don't know too much about this blogging stuff, but couldn't help getting some stuff in...Chad, I would like for you to say all this stuff you just said in front of the hundreds of us racers that just want to race. You and some of the other guys just say stuff that don't make sense. OMAC. SORT. What the hell, SORT is doing what they told us way back in Jan/Feb last year. Cut them a HUGE break..they did something, they look like their keeping their word in getting us back on the race scene again. Some sooner than others, but we can see the end of the tunnel. And now I even realize that these guys is doing it for everybody...drag strip, CT, drifters, bikes, carts...everybody, just like they said. I thought they was all BS way back when, but they shut my mouth real quick with this latest news. We should all be getting our cars off of the jack stands and getting ready. The place OMAC talks about sounds good...but good for what. OMAC don't have any claim to it...so how can we all hang on to the YEAR AND A HALF dream. I ralled for the WCF and feel taken. A 50 million dollar crdit was going to make everything perfect. Shooks, NOBODY had the land then and looks like they don't have it now. Those strong SORT leaders and faithful members deserve some kind of support and pats on the back for a job well done. Just how much we will get will have to been seen later, but I'm excited. When you guys at OMAC get your long time act together then you can expect everybody to support your "plan", too. You guys should just be happy for all of us, the racing community...and stop making yourselves look like sour grapes or the ones being picked on. And to the guy called Dirt Racer...got to meet you someday brah, you're like the Energizer bunny, you keep going and going and going.

[Chad89GT]

OK, what part do you want me to tell people? It's the same thing I've said hundreds of times so not really sure what you mean.

I'm happy SORT is making progress (I just wished them luck!) but I really don't understand why all the determination for HRP, so I asked the question. It's small, old and expensive to get/fix. Like I said, I loved that place and had many great times there. I've also said I'd help them set up if they ever got the place. But we have an opportunity to get something bigger and better for the same amount of work so that's what I'm working towards.

Like I've said from day 1 (when I met face-to-face with Jr, Jeanette and a few others)... lets work sepraratly from each other and let each group go after what they want without bickering. Well, we can see where that's gotten us. Maybe its about time for that idea to come around again.

[hileadfoot]

OK, what part do you want me to tell people? It's the same thing I've said hundreds of times so not really sure what you mean.

I'm happy SORT is making progress (I just wished them luck!) but I really don't understand why all the determination for HRP, so I asked the question. It's small, old and expensive to get/fix. Like I said, I loved that place and had many great times there. I've also said I'd help them set up if they ever got the place. But we have an opportunity to get something bigger and better for the same amount of work so that's what I'm working towards.

Like I've said from day 1 (when I met face-to-face with Jr, Jeanette and a few others)... lets work sepraratly from each other and let each group go after what they want without bickering. Well, we can see where that's gotten us. Maybe its about time for that idea to come around again.

Tell me how you guys think that a track in hand is better than one in the bush. You say you for SORT, but brah, you always seem to dog the efforts being put in gear to get us racing. Try listen...we want to race! SORT is going to get us there faster than OMAC! That's a fact...LET'S CELEBRATE this thing we got going. Enough with the "Why HRP sh--"...why NOT. You get some weird kind of thinking if you think that SORT needs our blessings. Looks like these guys got their act together and now have to put their money where their mouth is. Celebrate brah, celebrate! I for one am going to sign up to help with the work that has to be done. Got no money, but I can use pick and shovel real good. Bigger and newer is not always better. Why do you rebuild motors? If your logic that newer and bigger is better...we should all buy new ones everytime. Try buying a 40 Ford now restored...some big bucks there!

[Chad89GT]

Tell me how you guys think that a track in hand is better than one in the bush. You say you for SORT, but brah, you always seem to dog the efforts being put in gear to get us racing. Try listen...we want to race! SORT is going to get us there faster than OMAC! That's a fact...LET'S CELEBRATE this thing we got going. Enough with the "Why HRP sh--"...why NOT. You get some weird kind of thinking if you think that SORT needs our blessings. Looks like these guys got their act together and now have to put their money where their mouth is. Celebrate brah, celebrate! I for one am going to sign up to help with the work that has to be done. Got no money, but I can use pick and shovel real good. Bigger and newer is not always better. Why do you rebuild motors? If your logic that newer and bigger is better...we should all buy new ones everytime. Try buying a 40 Ford now restored...some big bucks there!

I build motors to make them bigger and badder, not the same stock stuff. Like shoving a turbo'd 383 or 408 in that 40 Ford :D

Sorry if it seems like I'm doggin' on the efforts... I want to race too! If SORT can do that, then that's awesome. They're asking for support so I like know what I'm being asked to support... so I ask questions. It's just questions and I add observations from my experience at HRP. It's stuff that needs to be taken care of and thought about so I guess you can say I'm helping them plan! :)

If you wanna talk about negative stuff, talk to your bunny about how he can't make 1 post without getting a shot in at P9. How's that good for "us racers" ?

[Paradise Racer]

For those of you that may be reading these forums for the first time, let me explain to you that SORT has always lobbied for the preservation of HRP. As old and antiquated it might be, it was fine for everyone when it was open.

Yeah, that might be because it was the only show in town, but that's just it....HRP was the only race track on Oahu, and it got shut down. Just like that....

And with no other race facility here on Oahu, we're all here doing timeout, with the exception of those that choose to race on outer islands. That's fine, but not everyone can afford to do that and the only other island that has a stock car track is on the Big Island.

We shouldn't be going on and on about why HRP and not P9. HRP is here and P9 may or may not happen. All I can say, is that we are not going to jump ship just because there is a new captain. If the captain cannot please the people, then make him walk the plank. Irongate is fully aware of the situation of the race track and the racers. It's not like they've been in the dark. They chose to purchase the property with full awareness of the situation. I do not feel bad should our resolutions go through. Our Councilman has been in touch with them and the possibility of doing a land trade may be a possible way to solve this problem.....That way, they have the land to do what they want and we have a permanent site for Oahu's raceway park.

Just my $.02....

[hileadfoot]

I build motors to make them bigger and badder, not the same stock stuff. Like shoving a turbo'd 383 or 408 in that 40 Ford :D

Sorry if it seems like I'm doggin' on the efforts... I want to race too! If SORT can do that, then that's awesome. They're asking for support so I like know what I'm being asked to support... so I ask questions. It's just questions and I add observations from my experience at HRP. It's stuff that needs to be taken care of and thought about so I guess you can say I'm helping them plan! :)

If you wanna talk about negative stuff, talk to your bunny about how he can't make 1 post without getting a shot in at P9. How's that good for "us racers" ?


WTF? You see it's crap like this stupid remark about my "bunny" that makes you dummies look just like that...sore dummies. Who da hell is this "bunny", I'd like to meet him and shake his hand...but never mind...he sure gets you guys jumping. And like the dummies you are...you keep coming back for more. I just wanted to say from the beginning, that the guys at SORT deserve our cooperation and kokua if and when they ask for it. Do you agree or do we keep up this pissing match. You don't know me and I don't know you so why all the hostility because I want to help SORT get us racing? And I guess you neva get my drift when I talked about you building motors....I would think you would know that I was talking about hi-performance jobs..you know after market, bored stroked and the stuff like that. But never mind...you're just stuck in I don't know what. Hey, Chad...what about this....why don't you promise to not race UNTIL your version of a race track is built. Pinky pull? Let's see how long that takes.

[punishum]

Yeeeeehaw, this is heating up to be a barn burner ! ! Or should I say, "Tower Burner" ! ! :)

Right on Chad, I give you credit. You are alright. At least you came back and are fighting your position. AS much as I don't agree with you, at least you have some balls.

Now if the other people from OMAC would come on because the other site is very sterile now and they can take their cracks too. That would be great ! !
"Ole Mike ( Take your pic ) Always Crying."

[Chad89GT]

WTF? You see it's crap like this stupid remark about my "bunny" that makes you dummies look just like that...sore dummies. Who da hell is this "bunny", I'd like to meet him and shake his hand...but never mind...he sure gets you guys jumping. And like the dummies you are...you keep coming back for more. I just wanted to say from the beginning, that the guys at SORT deserve our cooperation and kokua if and when they ask for it. Do you agree or do we keep up this pissing match. You don't know me and I don't know you so why all the hostility because I want to help SORT get us racing? And I guess you neva get my drift when I talked about you building motors....I would think you would know that I was talking about hi-performance jobs..you know after market, bored stroked and the stuff like that. But never mind...you're just stuck in I don't know what. Hey, Chad...what about this....why don't you promise to not race UNTIL your version of a race track is built. Pinky pull? Let's see how long that takes.

Oh poor you... "Chad was mean to me" well get over it cuz I was being nice. I'm about sick of this poor victim mentality... can dish it out but can't take it. Try read um again, cuz HELLO!!! I WAS AGREEING WITH YOU! Yeah, I'd put a bored and stroked moto (383 or 408, dats what I said!) in to the 40 Ford! You're so stuck in wanting to look for anything negative you can jump on... you jump even if I agree with you... can't win already. Even if what I say is gonna help them plan for things, it's still negative in your eyes no matta what... what kine mentality is that anyway? Just because I don't rubbah stamp everything and say "yah yah yah" and I can think, makes me negative? Braddah... you like end this "pissing match"... I only piss in toilets... when it comes to the track I take it seriously which is why I ask what I ask. I aked the P9 guys the same stuff ( I grilled em) and I got answers, not attitude. Makes me wonder sometimes if there are answers for the new track or just attitude... but Jeanette is nice enough to help with the answers so it's all good... I appreciate it.

So I guess what I'm saying is... don't assume my questions are negative. They're things that the track will need to think about to work so bringing them up helps people know what has to be done.

[dirt racer]

If the captain cannot please the people, then make him walk the plank.

I like your thinking. :D

[straightliner]

I get one shovel too. I like help!!

1. Get Site
2. Dig hole 6 feet deep.
3. Fill in hole with __________
4. Start racing!

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D

[hileadfoot]

Oh poor you... "Chad was mean to me" well get over it cuz I was being nice. I'm about sick of this poor victim mentality... can dish it out but can't take it. Try read um again, cuz HELLO!!! I WAS AGREEING WITH YOU! Yeah, I'd put a bored and stroked moto (383 or 408, dats what I said!) in to the 40 Ford! You're so stuck in wanting to look for anything negative you can jump on... you jump even if I agree with you... can't win already. Even if what I say is gonna help them plan for things, it's still negative in your eyes no matta what... what kine mentality is that anyway? Just because I don't rubbah stamp everything and say "yah yah yah" and I can think, makes me negative? Braddah... you like end this "pissing match"... I only piss in toilets... when it comes to the track I take it seriously which is why I ask what I ask. I aked the P9 guys the same stuff ( I grilled em) and I got answers, not attitude. Makes me wonder sometimes if there are answers for the new track or just attitude... but Jeanette is nice enough to help with the answers so it's all good... I appreciate it.

So I guess what I'm saying is... don't assume my questions are negative. They're things that the track will need to think about to work so bringing them up helps people know what has to be done.


You see...you just keeping mouthing off and acting all big chest toward people you don't even know off. Think I'm stupid...you better think again. Anyway, why the hell does what YOU think or ask mean anything. From what I heard today from the guys...you're not the top banana, not even part of the bunch. In fact you don't even rate a rating in the opinion department with the Enomoto. Bring on somebody that can make decisions and answer questions for OMAC. This site was supposed to notify people (like me) of the upcomng events. It wasn't for you to come of like you be somebody and think everybody was out to get you and OMAC. From now on, if I need info...I'm calling the Graces and the Souzas. Even dirt racer has a bigger handle in SORT concerning the situation than you seem to have at OMAC. Let's just welcome the movement created to get us racing. You be surprised Brah how much of us have just turned away from the WCF thinking and look at this temporary site as being the next best thing. And what about the "pinky pull"...want to keep yourself off the SORT track and wait for the "big one"?

[Chad89GT]

You see...you just keeping mouthing off and acting all big chest toward people you don't even know off. Think I'm stupid...you better think again. Anyway, why the hell does what YOU think or ask mean anything. From what I heard today from the guys...you're not the top banana, not even part of the bunch. In fact you don't even rate a rating in the opinion department with the Enomoto. Bring on somebody that can make decisions and answer questions for OMAC. This site was supposed to notify people (like me) of the upcomng events. It wasn't for you to come of like you be somebody and think everybody was out to get you and OMAC. From now on, if I need info...I'm calling the Graces and the Souzas. Even dirt racer has a bigger handle in SORT concerning the situation than you seem to have at OMAC. Let's just welcome the movement created to get us racing. You be surprised Brah how much of us have just turned away from the WCF thinking and look at this temporary site as being the next best thing. And what about the "pinky pull"...want to keep yourself off the SORT track and wait for the "big one"?
Too funny. You think you know who I am and what I do... OK, that's fine. I'm not gonna justify who or what I am to you, got better things to do. Guess you never saw me on the news speaking for OMAC or read articles I was quoted in. That's OK, no worries. But no, you're right... I don't know anything... I just lip off... yup, that's me :rolleyes:

I don't know how much more plain I can make this... braddah... I'm not downing the temp track! You so bent on looking for negative shit you can read or what? We're arguing over NOTHING.

[DaSurfa]

Wow another place to curse and yak at eachother.... :D :cool:


I would like to say Wazz up and all that good salutation stuff and State:


That I support any movement for a track and If SORT does it or OMAC or whomever its all good,,,, Plans and logistics should be a no brainer,,,,,


get a piece of land and Do It baby,, Thats all,,,

However they do it doesnt matter,,,, as long as it is done,,,, The best example I can give is building a car to go 10.90..There are a hord load of ways to do it and the approaches are many,,, In planning and building a track,, Its holds true too....

OMAC do your thing &&&& SORT do the same..Lets see if we get a track out of this,,,,,


Chad I for one feel that HRP can be a long time thing,,, Its just your Opinion that says NOT along with some others,,,,,

I disagree with you and thats my opinion along with others. thats all... I think its good to Remember..,,, there is always someone that says IT Can and One that says It Can't... It's The way of the world and when things are implemented and done then one finds out if it can or not,.,, Or Before its done or attempted it spells it out,,,,, Either way ...It works or dont,,,,

Let them(SORT) try w/out confronting it,,,& they should let ya all(OMAC) try without the same confrontation.... No one knows for sure what will be,, But All I want is someone to TRY,,,,,,So TRY Please,,,,,,,,,,,,, I would say ,,let the past be Just that,,Lets not worry about name calling ,who started it etc,,,, JUST TRY,,,,,,,,,

However or whomever ,,or whatever,,, Just do it,,,,, I am tried of hearing/reading we are gonna do this and that and thats the wrong way etc,,,,, I'd say all should Just Pipe up and get er done,,,,,,,I dont care about who thinks this is better than that etc.... A Track Period is a Good Place,, No 2 ways about it...

We dont give a Flying F'k about who or whats a better place,,,,We Just Want To Race,,,,, & the sooner the Better,,,,,,,,,, From the looks of things it looks like SORT may get us there quicker ???,,,, & thats good to get "everyone" back racing Period,,,,,,, No matter how they do it,,,,


Now OMAC get er done and get that parcel Called Parcel9 and get it on,,,,,,Let us know when ya get it,,, We will defenitely not know how you'll get it... but thats OK...Just do it,,, Then we can have a multiple choice on where we can race,,,,???? I feel it is simple as that in plain language w/out all the technical jargon :D


Surfa

[dirt racer]

Welcome aboard Surfa!

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Yo ho ho and a bottle of...

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[DaSurfa]

Ahoy there Captain,, Thankx for that Yo Ho Ho... & I have that Puerto Rican in my blood,,, So drink up baby,, I gave it up a bit ago.. :D ,,


I hope good things are to come,,,,, & dont bother bashing Parcel 9 Please ..Lets just look at the positives and Build off of that,,if we can,,, :cool:

[punishum]

There is "NO" parcel 9 for a racetrack ! ! When are you guys going to get that through your thick heads. :mad: :mad: Pasha is on that property now and they are being granted an extended lease from DHHL. For Many more years. If you guys want, why don't you just "BUY" it. :confused: :confused:

And even if OMAC and Mr. Enomoto bought P9, you can't build until the lease is expired and the BIGGEST Hurdle, convince the airport division that you can have lights. Because Pasha can't have any sort of lights there after dark. Which is why you need lights anyway, after dark.

And lights?

A retired Air Force Colonel told me one of the bases in Asia had a highway running parallel to their runway and it confused pilots during night landings. How much light does a racetrack emit?

If you took all the lights from Daytona, it would be able to light a highway from Daytona to Indiana.

[DaSurfa]

Tracy dont be bashing me.( I am not part of those/You Guys etc) Get it,,,,.. :)

I am the wrong person to do that with,,(dont take that as a threat Tho !!! i am not like that no moa ),

I am a Nuetral Person that is supporting all that can happen,,, If Parcel 9 is a no go then we will find out which way that goes in due time..We Will See one way or thee other for sure ,,,,Let that happen(*whatever it may be) then we can say whatever at that time & only at that time........

I am in support of both Bodies cause they are trying for a track..... Thats it and its plain and simple,,, So lets move on with rhetoric concerning a race track,,,Please.... I dont wanna be called names or anything,,,, Do that to My face and see where it goes,,,, I'd rather not get into that Tho & again I am not threatning you....,, I am a lil to mature for that Now in my present life sitcho.... Please address me with respect ,due to my doing that all the time for others... That gets my respect... So lets move on,, Please,,,, and be constructive,,,,I didnt mention anything about lights etc,,,, Lets get focused on a possiblilty of having a track,,, Not rhetoric on what obstacles there are or thought to be..I dont care about that right now... Sorry

Thankx guy and have a great day,,,,,


Surfa (Dennis)

[punishum]

The lights is why I mentioned is one of the many "KEY" reasons why P9 will not happen. Instead of hedging your bets and supporting both sides as you say, SORT is the only ones doing anything and going somewhere.

So quit spinning your wheels and support the winning side instead of being double minded.

[DaSurfa]

The lights is why I mentioned is one of the many "KEY" reasons why P9 will not happen. Instead of hedging your bets and supporting both sides as you say, SORT is the only ones doing anything and going somewhere.

So quit spinning your wheels and support the winning side instead of being double minded.


Tracy I am not Double minded,, Just nuetral and supporting both sides,,, I have friends and fellow racers on both sides and I support them all... I have to...


Ohhhhh By the way >>>>> The winning side will be the Racers,,, Not SORT Or OMAC... in my opinion....:D


Surfa....

[Chad89GT]

There is "NO" parcel 9 for a racetrack ! ! When are you guys going to get that through your thick heads. :mad: :mad: Pasha is on that property now and they are being granted an extended lease from DHHL. For Many more years. If you guys want, why don't you just "BUY" it. :confused: :confused:

And even if OMAC and Mr. Enomoto bought P9, you can't build until the lease is expired and the BIGGEST Hurdle, convince the airport division that you can have lights. Because Pasha can't have any sort of lights there after dark. Which is why you need lights anyway, after dark.

And lights?

A retired Air Force Colonel told me one of the bases in Asia had a highway running parallel to their runway and it confused pilots during night landings. How much light does a racetrack emit?

If you took all the lights from Daytona, it would be able to light a highway from Daytona to Indiana.

I compltely understand what you mean about confusing pilots with lights all around an airport. We wouldn't want a jumbo jet mistaking the drag strip for a runway. I'm sure your retired freind is very knowledgable about how airports are run, however, he's probabaly not familiar with the specifics of Kalaeloa. Fortunatly, the P9 developers have designed the track in accordance with the Code of Federal Regulations setion 14 (CFR 14). There are numerous sections that had to be considered when planning a facility near an airport and they were all approved when the Final Environmental Impact Statement (FEIS) for P9 was done.

Interesting that you bring up Daytona and the lights there. Daytona is just about as close to an active international runway as the P9 track would be from the active Kalaeloa runway (which is an emergency alternate airport only). As you stated, they light up Daytona like crazy. Same for Pomona, and LVMS... heck, just about every major metropolitan airport is close to a large highway. The point being, there are ways around the lighting issue that won't interfere with airport operations. If you have documentation that couters CFR-14, please post it up as I'd be curious to know what supercedes federal authority :)

[lois]

So quit spinning your wheels and support the winning side instead of being double minded.



gosh, are you THAT bent on having everyone see it YOUR way and YOUR way alone?

Da Surfa is clearly asking you to not insult him.

some of us want to see what the problem is with the factions concerning a new track. i came because i was curious what was going on and plan just to read.

but so far all i've been reading is a lot of chest beating and insults.

no wonder you guys will never get anything done. you're too busy insulting each other.

tis' a shame.

[punishum]

The part that none of you realize is that both projects are requiring POLITICAL assistance. And these politicians are VERY confused as to why there are these many opposing factions. And other groups are trying to ask airport people, to P9, to the feedlot to HRP, to the military bases, etc., etc., etc. to recieve funding or to getting a location. See it MY way? There is only one way to go. And NO one has been at this longer than I have except for one other person. All you NEWBIES have no idea what you are talking about. So if you aren't on the ONE and ONLY winning side, you are hindering the growth of the ONLY solution project. This island can only accomodate one track. If there were 2, one will be losing money. And any form of racing wether you are a promoter, track operator or participant requires a big chunk of change.

So Missie, you better find out the facts before you go running off with your fingers. Because this is just like a race, there will only be one winner and everyone else will be the second place loser.

[lois]

The part that none of you realize is that both projects are requiring POLITICAL assistance. And these politicians are VERY confused as to why there are these many opposing factions. And other groups are trying to ask airport people, to P9, to the feedlot to HRP, to the military bases, etc., etc., etc. to recieve funding or to getting a location. See it MY way? There is only one way to go. And NO one has been at this longer than I have except for one other person. All you NEWBIES have no idea what you are talking about. So if you aren't on the ONE and ONLY winning side, you are hindering the growth of the ONLY solution project. This island can only accomodate one track. If there were 2, one will be losing money. And any form of racing wether you are a promoter, track operator or participant requires a big chunk of change.

So Missie, you better find out the facts before you go running off with your fingers. Because this is just like a race, there will only be one winner and everyone else will be the second place loser.

WOW, you mean these problems require political help?

what you think i was born yesterday?

all i'm saying is, there are those of us who are interested and may want to lend our support. but not if you like coming off as a pompous, self-important asshole.

you attract more flies with honey

i don't think DaSurfa deserves the attitude you gave him. you act like that to everyone who's interested, who the hell wants to support you?

p.s. i can't speak for Da Surfa but...

i did register here to "find out the facts", FYI...and all i read is arrogant name calling.

so much for finding out facts here. the only person with any reserve is Paradise Racer.

[punishum]

Apparently you were born yesterday. And it isn't about supporting me. Because I support SORT, always have, always will.

This chess game requires a thinking person. Which I guess you aren't. Stick to checkers Missie, that sounds to be more your speed. :p

[lois]

Apparently you were born yesterday. And it isn't about supporting me. Because I support SORT, always have, always will.

This chess game requires a thinking person. Which I guess you aren't. Stick to checkers Missie, that sounds to be more your speed. :p

apparently you can't post without resorting to insults. and you wonder why there are factions.

fyi i would like to see the old racetrack opened again...went there every Pro Gas event back in the day pitting for my ex. i probably know some of these guys posting.

way to go for garnering support.

[dirt racer]

"fyi i would like to see the old racetrack opened again...went there every Pro Gas event back in the day pitting for my ex."

Unfortunately, the former lease/buy option holders and their group "OMAC" do not want HRP reopened, because they have a deal to profit from the development of the track into a business park. If SORT is successful in condemning the track, the former lease/buy option holders will not get their money. This is why the 2 sides are fighting.

Parcel 9 is only a diversion the lease/buy option holders have held up as the reason HRP is no longer necessary. It should be obvious BY NOW to ANYONE WITH A BRAIN that there will NOT be a racetrack at Parcel 9.

Believe in Santa MO if you want to. Or is it Santa Tom?

Edit: I am sorry lois, but some of us are just tired of this charade that has gone on wayyyy too long.

[lois]

Unfortunately, the former lease/buy option holders and their group "OMAC" do not want HRP reopened, because they have a deal to profit from the development of the track into a business park. If SORT is successful in condemning the track, the former lease/buy option holders will not get their money. This is why the 2 sides are fighting.

Parcel 9 is only a diversion the lease/buy option holders have held up as the reason HRP is no longer necessary. It should be obvious BY NOW to ANYONE WITH A BRAIN that there will NOT be a racetrack at Parcel 9.

Believe in Santa MO if you want to. Or is it Santa Tom?

Edit: I am sorry lois, but some of us are just tired of this charade that has gone on wayyyy too long.


see? THANK YOU for that little tidbit of edumacation.

i have lots of downtime at work, and i am still somewhat interested in Hawaii's motorsports future...at least enough to shoot off some e-mails to politicians who "matter". i'd like to read up on both sides. and i thought i could get another side of the story here.

i'm sure if Da Surfa and i wanted to read merely insults with no info, we'd stay at FH...same thing. useless.


if you guys want support (well not YOU, per se, dirt racer), some of you should invite it. not diss anyone who you PERCEIVE to be "against you".

[lois]

i also laughed when i saw that pic above^^^

that curve is where we used to pit. LOLOLORZ:D

[Chad89GT]

Unfortunately, the former lease/buy option holders and their group "OMAC" do not want HRP reopened, because they have a deal to profit from the development of the track into a business park. If SORT is successful in condemning the track, the former lease/buy option holders will not get their money. This is why the 2 sides are fighting.

Parcel 9 is only a diversion the lease/buy option holders have held up as the reason HRP is no longer necessary. It should be obvious BY NOW to ANYONE WITH A BRAIN that there will NOT be a racetrack at Parcel 9.

Believe in Santa MO if you want to. Or is it Santa Tom?

Edit: I am sorry lois, but some of us are just tired of this charade that has gone on wayyyy too long.

Couple of corrections here:

1) The members of OMAC are volunteers that will in no way profit from the sale of HRP. We pay out of our own pockets to promote what we believe in. Period, end of story.

2) P9 is not and never was a "diversion". HRP is sold, gone, done deal. We were told this was happening in 2005. There's no need for a diversion because the sale is complete. You yourself posted that the owner had changed... yet we're still working on the track at P9. SORT leadership has even met with the developer along side OMAC reps. There is just no evidence to support a wild a conspiracy theory like this.

So the lighting isn't an issue, P9 is not a diversion... what else ya got? :rolleyes:

[dirt racer]

Couple of corrections here:

1) The members of OMAC are volunteers that will in no way profit from the sale of HRP. We pay out of our own pockets to promote what we believe in. Period, end of story.

Correction: OMAC are volunteers that will do whatever Tom, Mike, and Paul tells them to do.


2) P9 is not and never was a "diversion". HRP is sold, gone, done deal. We were told this was happening in 2005. There's no need for a diversion because the sale is complete. You yourself posted that the owner had changed... yet we're still working on the track at P9. SORT leadership has even met with the developer along side OMAC reps. There is just no evidence to support a wild a conspiracy theory like this.

So the lighting isn't an issue, P9 is not a diversion... what else ya got? :rolleyes:

We were told by who? The one who bought it and sold it? I guess they should know!

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Who is "Hawaii Motorsports Center" anyway?

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You still working on that track at P9 eh? Where's your progress besides the letter from DHHL back in 2005 that states they didn't want the deal that was proposed?

[Chad89GT]

The owner of the HRP parcel is HMC IRONGATE HAWAII RACEWAY INVESTORS per the gis website you love to quote so much. The sale is done, past, fin. Even if P9 was a grand diversion there would be no need to continue with it now... yet we continue on. Progress was reported to your leaders, they know where it stands, go ask them.

[dirt racer]

The owner of the HRP parcel is HMC IRONGATE HAWAII RACEWAY INVESTORS per the gis website you love to quote so much. The sale is done, past, fin.

Not if the condemnation clause is triggered. Go ask a real estate attorney. :rolleyes:

P.S. if there was any progress to report, I suspect it would be in the news like SORT's progress. :D

[Chad89GT]

Not if the condemnation clause is triggered. Go ask a real estate attorney. :rolleyes:

P.S. if there was any progress to report, I suspect it would be in the news like SORT's progress. :D

While you're talking to real estate attourneys, ask them about time limits on that condemnation clause. It's not a "forever" deal.

Progress will be reported once it's to a point that the project can no longer be adversly affected by lobyists. We saw what happened last time progress was reported, and the time after that. :rolleyes:

I'm getting dizzy from talking about the same things over and over already... :p

[punishum]

Yes Chad there is a statute on limitiations. Like once ground is broken. Now on the SORT side some of them as well as Councilman Todd Apo have been in contact with the developers over @ Irongate. And Irongate is interested in the proposal for the land swap option. All Irongate wants to do is build warehouses. So even others at the state are trying to complie a list of sites that would be acceptable to Irongate in an exchange. The resolutions introduced last week by Todd will start the process to work with Irongate to finding a solution. So if the HRP deal reverts to a swap, the commission that others would have benefitted from the completition of the projected 60 or so warehouses would be "0".

So it may end up being a combination of a condemnation to persuade them to a swap. And there is a clause in the purchase agreement of a condemnation for a refund. It is way different from the private owner who got the land forcefully taken away from him in Waikiki where the other Irongate project with Donald Trump is. Irongate was a heavy contributor this past election so a solution that would be acceptable to them is what will be sought out. Still this will be awhile to SORT through. ( PUN )

[Mud Packer]

While you're talking to real estate attourneys, ask them about time limits on that condemnation clause. It's not a "forever" deal.

Progress will be reported once it's to a point that the project can no longer be adversly affected by lobyists. We saw what happened last time progress was reported, and the time after that. :rolleyes:

I'm getting dizzy from talking about the same things over and over already... :p

Project? As long as there are speeding/racing related accidents and or deaths, and other related issues, there will be Lobbyists affecting progress. What, you think that by closing and selling the only racetrack on Oahu that there would be no repercussions? You think that all the racers were going to just kick back and wait and see what happens next? Being that there is no permanent track in sight, you bet your ass that the racers will fight for what they strongly believe in. We really have nothing to lose, but if we gain something, it would be nice. Just one more thing chad, are you the type of person that looks for loopholes in everything, or are you just quoting everything MO tells you? You should take a step back and look and see whats really happening. And please learn how to spell correctly, its damaging your motive.

[Chad89GT]

I like that the new deal on the table is an amicable land swap. It's much more plausable than a hostile takeover from a company like Irongate.

Is SORT exploring other locations other than the old HRP? If the city/state are willing to do a land swap, why not try to find something better? As I said before, most of the existing infastructure at HRP is gone and would have to be built from scratch anyway. It's a perfect opportunity to move on to something bigger/better, especially if the city/state are offering up land.

[DaSurfa]

I like that the new deal on the table is an amicable land swap. It's much more plausable than a hostile takeover from a company like Irongate.

Is SORT exploring other locations other than the old HRP? If the city/state are willing to do a land swap, why not try to find something better? As I said before, most of the existing infastructure at HRP is gone and would have to be built from scratch anyway. It's a perfect opportunity to move on to something bigger/better, especially if the city/state are offering up land.


I'd prefer just a "Place to race,," I am not sure that Bigger is better Butttttttttttttttt better is better :D& you did mention that :cool: ..I like the notion that Hostility will be out of the picture,,,, Land swap is and should be a Go if there is indeed some land to do that with,,,, I hope there is,,, The sooner that happens the better,,,, & I know there is still politics involved so It could be a Year or 2 or 3 ???? But Its better than nothing....

I just hope there is some light that may be able to be seen at the end of that Tunnel...


Keep up the hard work Chad,,,, I am watching ,as we all are, & waiting and participating when we can,,,,I do have some Hope...... in my veins....


Dennis (Surfa)

[punishum]

From what I understand is that SORT has a 60 acre parcel from DHHL at Kalaeloa. It is a matter of pen to paper. That project could possibly be up and running before the Sand Island group for the off-road park. The plans that Les is referring to is that SORT project. Not HRP. A dirt oval will be the first thing up and an 1/8 mile drag strip. All plans for phase one. There literally could feasibly be 2 tracks and that isn't including the P9 proposal.

There are a lot of things going on but the only one with forward progress and has a chance of becoming a reality are all SORT projects.

[DaSurfa]

From what I understand is that SORT has a 60 acre parcel from DHHL at Kalaeloa. It is a matter of pen to paper. That project could possibly be up and running before the Sand Island group for the off-road park. The plans that Les is referring to is that SORT project. Not HRP. A dirt oval will be the first thing up and an 1/8 mile drag strip. All plans for phase one. There literally could feasibly be 2 tracks and that isn't including the P9 proposal.

There are a lot of things going on but the only one with forward progress and has a chance of becoming a reality are all SORT projects.


Good stuff there Tracy,for the current happenings.., I was told By Jr.(Paradise Lua) about that about a month ago..,,I didnt want to eek it out and get slammed by anyone So I kept it in me,, ,,, The possibility on that venture is looking strong.... Time frame will be the varialble that everyone will have to deal with,,, But In a manner of speaking,...


"The Sooner The better " :D :cool:

[Mud Packer]

Good stuff there Tracy,for the current happenings.., I was told By Jr.(Paradise Lua) about that about a month ago..,,I didnt want to eek it out and get slammed by anyone So I kept it in me,, ,,, The possibility on that venture is looking strong.... Time frame will be the varialble that everyone will have to deal with,,, But In a manner of speaking,...


"The Sooner The better " :D :cool:

Dennis, dont get too excited about racing when this track starts to happen; you know they will need an announcer!

[punishum]

The thing is that everybody needs to help to make sure that the new venutre stays solvent. I will do our part from our TV and media group to get the word out and fans need to participate by buying tickets. Respect everyones motorsport. Not like Les and I last night enduring an old time drag racer yelling at me,"How is drifting a sport?!? That ain't a sport ! ! !" And me responding, " Drifting is the fastest growing Motorsport in history sir.", And he responds," Oh, you're lying, I don't believe it ! ! " Or the guy who used to run the Skip Barber school in the audience just spectating like we were some novelty. It is because of guys like that that just stood by when something could have been done and chose to stand by and watch it all come falling down. You all have no clue all the sacrifices many of us are making behind the scenes to fight for you guys to be able to go racing again. NO idea. And all I get is slammed. UNreal. And we are the only ones with real progess. SORT, Les and I etc.

BUT the thing I am most thankful for is that a new managment team will be in place. I just hope that they will take to heart what the Good Book states. " Of those that is given much, much is expected in return." Keep them honest and always remember that they are there to cater to the sport and that being in charge is a huge responsibility to the racers and fans to put on the best show possible and to share the wealth with the racers. Not think it is an entitlment like the old guard.

[DaSurfa]

Dennis, dont get too excited about racing when this track starts to happen; you know they will need an announcer!


& who may that Be,,,, :D


I gotta get some withdrawals like syndromes out of my system 1st ... :cool:

[dirt racer]

Bump this thread please...

[dirt racer]

http://starbulletin.com/2007/07/06/news/story10.html

The owner of the old Hawaii Raceway Park site is asking the City Council to rezone the 66-acre property to turn it into an industrial park.

But racing enthusiasts requested yesterday that the Council hold off making a zoning decision until legislation that would condemn the property is voted upon.

"If the city allows them to be rezoned into industrial, all it does is give the current landowner more leverage when it comes down to condemnation or possibly a land swap," Jeannette Grace of Save Oahu's Race Track told the Council in her opposition to Bill 53.

Owner H.M.C. Irongate Raceway Investors LLC wants to change the zoning of the property just outside Campbell Industrial Park from agriculture to industrial.

The racetrack closed in 2006, and the property was sold to the current Los Angeles-based owner.

Plans call for the site to be redeveloped into an industrial park with 90 lots.

City Councilman Todd Apo has introduced two pieces of legislation -- Resolutions 07-162 and 07-163 -- that would result in the city condemning the land.

Apo, however, has said that a land swap could also be considered.

Yesterday, the Council approved moving forward with the rezoning in the first of three required votes.

"There's ample time in the upcoming committee meetings and public hearings on the bill for further discussions on it," said Keith Kurahashi, the owner's representative.

But those opposed to the rezoning asked the Council to put the brakes on the zoning at least for now.

"My family, we love to race and it's in our blood, so we're not asking you to give up something. We're just asking you to kind of go back a little bit," Polly Grace testified. "Help us find a home."

The city administration, however, in documents recommending rezoning, said that racing would not be allowed at the track with the current agriculture zoning.