Why Hawaii Raceway Park closed - Comments

[Need4Speed]

It would be hard to believe that the real reason for closure was money after the same park owners kept the park open for almost 20 years. Do you not realize that there never was a "permanent" home for the racers? It was operating on Agriculture land, what does that tell you?

[prk247]

In this thread we will examine the "real" reasons behind the closing of Hawaii Raceway Park. What was being said vs. the truth.

Before Hawaii Raceway Park closed in April of 2006, several newspaper articles had quoted the former leaseholder (Mike Oakland) as saying that the lease was going to expire:


http://kapio.kcc.hawaii.edu/upload/fullnews.php?id=222

However, Campbell Estate spokesperson Theresia McMurdo told a very different story with regards to the lease:


http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2006/Jan/27/ln/FP601270359.html

Then we had the shocking revelation that an affiliate of Mike Oakland's had purchased the Raceway Park:


http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2006/Apr/03/ln/FP604030349.html


The HMC affiliate company is revealed, and also their plans for the Raceway Park:


http://starbulletin.com/2007/07/06/news/story10.html

Although the former leaseholder Mike Oakland had proclaimed no knowledge or involvement in the sale of HRP, the documents paint a different picture. This financing statement obtained from the Bureau of Conveyances reveals a sales agreement between Hawaii Motorsports Center (the company which was owned by Mike Oakland and Tom Enomoto) and Campbell estate:

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g14/dirt_racer/fin1.jpg


Also, page 3 of the Irongate deed clearly describes the same agreement and names Hawaii Motorsports Center as the "predecessor-in-interest":

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g14/dirt_racer/DEED3.jpg


7/31/2007 Testimony provided by Irongate representative Keith Kurahashi indicates a purchase price for the agreement as $5 million dollars:



Perhaps the $5 million dollar payment to Hawaii Motorsports Center is the "real" reason Hawaii Raceway Park was closed.

blah, blah, blah.. get a life milton..

[dirt racer]

It would be hard to believe that the real reason for closure was money after the same park owners kept the park open for almost 20 years.

Aaaa. Not hard for me to believe it.


Do you not realize that there never was a "permanent" home for the racers?


I guess that's a matter of opinion. Many of us believe HRP could have been, and still can be a permanent location. Mainly because of the location.


It was operating on Agriculture land, what does that tell you?

It tells me that when Pflueger built it back in 1964, it was OK with the City and County to have race tracks on AG land.

[Need4Speed]

Yes, it is a matter of opinion not belief. I would hope that you have the opinions of experts to back up your belief. Planned development of a city is not a joke. :cool:

[dirt racer]

Yes, it is a matter of opinion not belief. I would hope that you have the opinions of experts to back up your belief. Planned development of a city is not a joke. :cool:

The City and County of Honolulu's DPP report concerning the condemnation of Hawaii Raceway Park, stated that a park symbol was appropriate. And that the operation (race track) was consistent with the surrounding industrial area. I don't think they were joking.

[Need4Speed]

If Hawaii Raceway Park was going to be condemned a park symbol sounds appropriate. Operation of a race track is consistent with industrial. No joke.

[Mud Packer]

If Hawaii Raceway Park was going to be condemned a park symbol sounds appropriate. Operation of a race track is consistent with industrial. No joke.

You know that this is the only island that requires that change over to industrial? No matter what the situation might be, where do you think the track should be ? Please be realistic about your answer, we heard it all.

[Need4Speed]

Tell me more about the other islands and their tracks, how many of those other tracks are privately owned and operated?

The Department of Hawaiian Home Lands seems to approve Parcel 24 being a race track. Parcel 9 is on the other side of the airport. Those both seem like excellent locations.

[Mud Packer]

Tell me more about the other islands and their tracks, how many of those other tracks are privately owned and operated?

The Department of Hawaiian Home Lands seems to approve Parcel 24 being a race track. Parcel 9 is on the other side of the airport. Those both seem like excellent locations.
All of the outer island tracks are ran by non profit organizations. Any place on this island that allows us to race our cars, be it dirt or asphalt, is to me an excellent location.

[dirt racer]

Tell me more about the other islands and their tracks, how many of those other tracks are privately owned and operated?

The Department of Hawaiian Home Lands seems to approve Parcel 24 being a race track. Parcel 9 is on the other side of the airport. Those both seem like excellent locations.

You will never have another privately owned track on Oahu because the land is too expensive.

Parcel 24 is a good temporary location, but it's too small for a full 1/4 mile. Also, the Haseko development once completed in a few years will most likely result in noise complaints from the residents that move in.

Parcel 9 has got to be some kind of joke. Whoever came up with the idea to build a racetrack between 2 active runways needs to have his head examined. You will never get FAA approval with the Conical Arc rule, the proximity to the runways, the lighting and dust issues, security, radios, timers etc. Never gonna happen in a million years.

[ijustrip]

It would be hard to believe that the real reason for closure was money after the same park owners kept the park open for almost 20 years. Do you not realize that there never was a "permanent" home for the racers? It was operating on Agriculture land, what does that tell you?that you are a greedy,manipulator ? It would have been easier to zoned it your self .The mojority of the people involved in saving the racetrack profitted The Graces along with OMAC got the track to make whatever they wanted [Hula Cross and sanddrags more like dirt drags first time eye see brown sand]. Everlyn got her seat neighhood board,also is tom bergs secetary in city councel and know she cant do nothing because its a conflick of interest. OMAC & SORTare together. dragracers and dirt oval are out in the cold. HOPEFULLY WITH [WORT] [WHERES OUR RACE TRACK] something can bee done about that!!! Retake the OLD RACEWAY PARK

[udrivecrap]

that you are a greedy,manipulator ? It would have been easier to zoned it your self .The mojority of the people involved in saving the racetrack profitted The Graces along with OMAC got the track to make whatever they wanted [Hula Cross and sanddrags more like dirt drags first time eye see brown sand]. Everlyn got her seat neighhood board,also is tom bergs secetary in city councel and know she cant do nothing because its a conflick of interest. OMAC & SORTare together. dragracers and dirt oval are out in the cold. HOPEFULLY WITH [WORT] [WHERES OUR RACE TRACK] something can bee done about that!!! Retake the OLD RACEWAY PARK

hey, howzit bruddah :D how you been?

did you wanna write something up to try and push through the legislature? i know plenty of Reps and Senators if you want a list. its getting kinda late for that this year. i suppose if HCDA says that old HRP location is a good place, the next step would be to try and get money for it.

did you give any input to HCDA to help them find a suitable location?

maybe after Uncle Ben gets to be Mayor he might find some surplus$$$ to use for another kind of "track" and then the City can own it... in 2020.

[udrivecrap]

incase you missed it, here is the resolution from the last session that passed with lots of support. mainly because it didn't ask for money, only to identify a place that would be suitable.

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2011/Bills/HCR100_hd2_.pdf

i went to every meeting and paid visits to countless offices. it wasn't that hard to do. even Jr gave testimony at one of the meetings, in the beginning.

if you have an idea or suggestion on how to get there quicker, please, don't be shy..

[dirt racer]

incase you missed it, here is the resolution from the last session that passed with lots of support. mainly because it didn't ask for money, only to identify a place that would be suitable.

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2011/Bills/HCR100_hd2_.pdf

i went to every meeting and paid visits to countless offices. it wasn't that hard to do. even Jr gave testimony at one of the meetings, in the beginning.

if you have an idea or suggestion on how to get there quicker, please, don't be shy..

So what's the status now? Did the HCDA say Parcel 9 is not available? Isn't that the same thing the DHHL told Mike BEFORE he sold the track? Or was that the fault of Mike's greedy partner?

Inquiring minds want to know. :confused:

[udrivecrap]

So what's the status now? Did the HCDA say Parcel 9 is not available? Isn't that the same thing the DHHL told Mike BEFORE he sold the track? Or was that the fault of Mike's greedy partner?

Inquiring minds want to know. :confused:

that was then, this is now lol. sh*t, i'm sorry man, i thought i made it clear when we saw each other at the track long time ago. HCDA has no authority over DHHL. DHHL is the one you want to talk to if anybody wants to build a track on P9. but like you said many years ago and it still applies today, PASHA is a good tenant. they bring lots of money to DHHL. DHHL has interior issues and needs, its gonna be tough to offer them something better than what they got going right now with the current tenant.

so the other thing is to wait for the report on "finding a suitable place" for all. if it was any other place besides P9, that would throw things back because of the development process, imwo.

i mean, look how long its been for P24 to get a circle track up.. and that place is marked for it, kinda. imagine what you would have to go through if it was some bare land and not zoned correctly.

[udrivecrap]

i learned something a long time ago. i was riding a horse (no not a dead one) in the hills of Lake Tahoe when i was a kid. something i've done many times before but this time it was in the winter and snow was covering everything.

the horse stumbles on a hole, loses his balance and starts falling. it fell on its side with me still in the saddle. luckily i didn't break my leg. i jumped up as fast as i could to get distance between me and the horse. the horse stood up and i grabbed him and jumped back on.

if i didn't get back on the horse, i probably wouldn't have rode a horse for a very long time after that.

the moral of this story is.. whenever "P9" comes up in discussion.. i feel like the Lone Ranger.

haha :D .. you guys wanna ride with me?

[dirt racer]

i learned something a long time ago. i was riding a horse (no not a dead one) in the hills of Lake Tahoe when i was a kid. something i've done many times before but this time it was in the winter and snow was covering everything.

the horse stumbles on a hole, loses his balance and starts falling. it fell on its side with me still in the saddle. luckily i didn't break my leg. i jumped up as fast as i could to get distance between me and the horse. the horse stood up and i grabbed him and jumped back on.

if i didn't get back on the horse, i probably wouldn't have rode a horse for a very long time after that.

the moral of this story is.. whenever "P9" comes up in discussion.. i feel like the Lone Ranger.

haha :D .. you guys wanna ride with me?

If the horse had died, and you started beating on him to get up, you would have learned that there's no point in doing that. That was a lot of work you went through to find out P9 was not available. You could have just made a phone call to the DHHL.

Wouldn't it be nice to get free money from the US Treasury to buy property with like Angelo Gordon? :rolleyes:

[punishum]

if you have an idea or suggestion on how to get there quicker, please, don't be shy..

Yeah Davy. Hope you got one of these growing in your backyard. This is the only commodity that will get shit to move period. And even then you better know how to use it and use it effectively. If you know what I mean ;) ;)